Why Did The Obama Administration “Organize And Manage” Protests Against George Zimmer

Sounds like more Politics to me.

Yes The Media is at fault for making sure if there is not a guilty verdict
there could be riots. but this is just their way of creating news.

As much as I don't like obuma I don't think the administration is involved.

But I am still hoping Zimmerman is found guilty
to send a message to community crime watch people.
They are not cops & not legalized vigilantes either
Unbeleivable......what about the signal to these thugs that we/SOCIETY are sick of it and arent all helpless sheep...you can be that,I will not,so I guess the bad guy has a 50/50 chance.
What about turned tables?How often does this go down where it is a Black man stalking,and killing a white person?How often is it a Black man stalking raping and killing a white women?Why is this different?Why no national out cry?I am sick and tired of being the guilty one for being a certain color....white!
 

Unbeleivable......what about the signal to these thugs that we/SOCIETY are sick of it and arent all helpless sheep...you can be that,I will not,so I guess the bad guy has a 50/50 chance.
What about turned tables?How often does this go down where it is a Black man stalking,and killing a white person?How often is it a Black man stalking raping and killing a white women?Why is this different?Why no national out cry?I am sick and tired of being the guilty one for being a certain color....white!

This is the kind of mentality that is hurting the 2nd Amendment Watchdog movement the most.

You can have your gun and you can do what you like with it.
However, when you go out and pretend you are a cop or cowboy like it is the wild west, thats when you have lost me (and many other level headed Americans who believe in 2nd Amendment rights).

The 2nd Amendment does not give you the right to play judge, jury, and executioner. Plain and simple.
 

Unbeleivable......what about the signal to these thugs that we/SOCIETY are sick of it and arent all helpless sheep...you can be that,I will not,so I guess the bad guy has a 50/50 chance.
What about turned tables?How often does this go down where it is a Black man stalking,and killing a white person?How often is it a Black man stalking raping and killing a white women?Why is this different?Why no national out cry?I am sick and tired of being the guilty one for being a certain color....white!

Have I brought up Color of skin in any of my posts here ?
color of skin has nothing to do with it imo

My problem is,
an armed man, who was advised to stay in his car and not get involved,
shot & killed an unarmed kid.
who may or may not have been innocent.
and fighting for his life at the moment he was shot

he never got his day in court :(

Oh & everyone has a right to their opinion, So I gave mine also :coffee2:
 

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Have I brought up Color of skin in any of my posts here ?
color of skin has nothing to do with it imo

My problem is,
an armed man, who was advised to stay in his car and not get involved,
shot & killed an unarmed kid.
who may or may not have been innocent.
and fighting for his life at the moment he was shot

he never got his day in court :(

Oh & everyone has a right to their opinion, So I gave mine also :coffee2:
Jeff, Travon never got his day in court. But it takes two to tangle and if Travon had been where he belonged and not stalking a neighborhood (evidence on his phone) than this would have never happened. At least some blame should be placed on Travon. It is sad he is dead please don't get me wrong. I think George could have handled it differently/better. Unless we as a society start cracking down on people who are up to no good I think more and more confrontations like this are going to occur. This started out having nothing to do with race, however once Obama, the media, and some other "characters" got involved it turned into a race issue...SAD!! This country is becoming more and more divided everyday...Again SAD!!
 

This is the kind of mentality that is hurting the 2nd Amendment Watchdog movement the most.

You can have your gun and you can do what you like with it.
However, when you go out and pretend you are a cop or cowboy like it is the wild west, thats when you have lost me (and many other level headed Americans who believe in 2nd Amendment rights).

The 2nd Amendment does not give you the right to play judge, jury, and executioner. Plain and simple.

I second that Jersey Ben !
 

This is the kind of mentality that is hurting the 2nd Amendment Watchdog movement the most.

You can have your gun and you can do what you like with it.
However, when you go out and pretend you are a cop or cowboy like it is the wild west, thats when you have lost me (and many other level headed Americans who believe in 2nd Amendment rights).

The 2nd Amendment does not give you the right to play judge, jury, and executioner. Plain and simple.
Jersey, I can go along with what you said other than the last part :The 2nd Amendment does not give you the right to play judge, jury, and executioner. Plain and simple. It does however give you the right to self defense...
 

Jersey, I can go along with what you said other than the last part :The 2nd Amendment does not give you the right to play judge, jury, and executioner. Plain and simple. It does however give you the right to self defense...

The 2nd Amendment and in Florida under our state laws we have the right to defend ourselves with deadly force if we believe our life is in danger and the law does not stipulate your attacker is armed, only that you are in fear for your life..

You are not required to question your attacker as to if he intends to kill you or only beat the heck out of you, your only have to be in fear for your life, your family or another's life.

We also have the right to defend our property by any and all means necessary, you are not required to retreat, hence the name "stand your ground"...

Some may not like the fact we have these rights, but that has nothing to do with our right nor does it change the fact it is still our right and it has nothing to do with being a cowboy.




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This is the kind of mentality that is hurting the 2nd Amendment Watchdog movement the most.

You can have your gun and you can do what you like with it.
However, when you go out and pretend you are a cop or cowboy like it is the wild west, thats when you have lost me (and many other level headed Americans who believe in 2nd Amendment rights).

The 2nd Amendment does not give you the right to play judge, jury, and executioner. Plain and simple.

Your wrong, it gives us the right to be judge, jury, and executioner when our lives, the lives of our family or another's life is endangered, or our property is in danger...Try reading the law..

We never had you to begin with.


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none of this would have happened if George zimmeman would have listened to the 911 operator and stayed in his vehicle and waited for the police to arrive. There was no break in in progress, no b.s. rape, or anything to justify following anyone, white, brown, black, yellow, green, Canadian, or Brazilian. Trayvon was walking back to his relatives home. Is there a law against that?

I hope where ever you may go, someone comes up and asks, "what are you doing here?" "where are you going", "what are you doing". Oh, and I mean that, I don't care if it's the boardwalk in AC, the beach in Miami, your mamas neighborhood.

Am I to believe that the same people that decry the police doing the same thing support individual citizens doing the questioning. There is really something radically wrong with that picture.
 

none of this would have happened if George zimmeman would have listened to the 911 operator and stayed in his vehicle and waited for the police to arrive. There was no break in in progress, no b.s. rape, or anything to justify following anyone, white, brown, black, yellow, green, Canadian, or Brazilian. Trayvon was walking back to his relatives home. Is there a law against that?

I hope where ever you may go, someone comes up and asks, "what are you doing here?" "where are you going", "what are you doing". Oh, and I mean that, I don't care if it's the boardwalk in AC, the beach in Miami, your mamas neighborhood.

Am I to believe that the same people that decry the police doing the same thing support individual citizens doing the questioning. There is really something radically wrong with that picture.
Davest, if I see someone in my neighborhood that I don't recognize you can bet your you know what I am going to ask them what they are up to. I assume you have never had a criminal attack you or your family or steal/vandalize any of your property. Once this happens to you you will more than likely change your position on this matter...
 

none of this would have happened if George zimmeman would have listened to the 911 operator and stayed in his vehicle and waited for the police to arrive. There was no break in in progress, no b.s. rape, or anything to justify following anyone, white, brown, black, yellow, green, Canadian, or Brazilian. Trayvon was walking back to his relatives home. Is there a law against that?

I hope where ever you may go, someone comes up and asks, "what are you doing here?" "where are you going", "what are you doing". Oh, and I mean that, I don't care if it's the boardwalk in AC, the beach in Miami, your mamas neighborhood.

Am I to believe that the same people that decry the police doing the same thing support individual citizens doing the questioning. There is really something radically wrong with that picture.

Dave how do you know those questions weren't asked? Since no one was there that can say there is as much a chance questions were asked as not asked....

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This is the kind of mentality that is hurting the 2nd Amendment Watchdog movement the most.

You can have your gun and you can do what you like with it.
However, when you go out and pretend you are a cop or cowboy like it is the wild west, thats when you have lost me (and many other level headed Americans who believe in 2nd Amendment rights).

The 2nd Amendment does not give you the right to play judge, jury, and executioner. Plain and simple.
....and its this mentality that is destroying MORAL America,as well as not understanding what you supposedly support!The Second Amendment as well as the right to carry are for self defense,in the event that you feel that your life is in danger!If people dont start standing up for what is being stripped from us every day,it will be just like many other countries like Mexico where the criminals run society,are you OK with that?Seems like many are!!

Also....I make my living with a gun,dont tell me what I am destroying
 

Your wrong, it gives us the right to be judge, jury, and executioner when our lives, the lives of our family or another's life is endangered, or our property is in danger...Try reading the law..

We never had you to begin with.


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Wow, I'm sure glad you live in another state. Do you make your neighbor's friends and family report to you before they're allowed to visit, or just shoot them on the spot when they show up unannounced?
 

Wow, I'm sure glad you live in another state. Do you make your neighbor's friends and family report to you before they're allowed to visit, or just shoot them on the spot when they show up unannounced?
.....what did he say that would cause you to ask that?Typical,though,folks that choose to be helpless sheep are the ones to immediatly jump to huge conclusions and claim outlandish scenarios.As I said in my other post our country is slipping,and many should move to China or some place that would fit their ideals much better but we still have enough responsible gun owners that the bad guy just may get a wolf in a sheeps clothing.
 

Wow, I'm sure glad you live in another state. Do you make your neighbor's friends and family report to you before they're allowed to visit, or just shoot them on the spot when they show up unannounced?

Your reply is totally uncalled for Deb....
I said when my or my famlies lives are threaten I can and will defend them:dontknow:....

Did you not read my reply. "when our lives, the lives of my family or another's life is endangered, or our property is in danger". So what your saying is I do not have the right to defend my family or my life or defend my property?

When someone kicks in my door on a home invasion am I suppose to act like a liberal and ask a lot of questions?

1. Excuse me sir, I don't mean to be rude, but do you plan on killing my wife or just rape and beat her?
2. Excuse me sir I don't mean to be rude, do you plan on killing me or just pistol whip me till I am in a coma?
3. Excuse me sir, I don't mean to be rude, do you plan on taking all my money and valuables and leave us alone or are you going to kill us so there are no witnesses?

Sorry, when someone enters my home with evil and bad intent they will be met with evil and bad intent. As per our state laws and my rights I will defend my family and my home with lethal and deadly force......

If our forefathers were like some of you we never would have survived......
 

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Deb, here is our law, show me where my statement violates the law.


The 2012 Florida Statutes


Title XLVI
CRIMES
Chapter 776
JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE
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776.013 

Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.—

(1) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:

(a) The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and

(b) The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred
.

(2) The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if:

(a) The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner, lessee, or titleholder, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person; or

(b) The person or persons sought to be removed is a child or grandchild, or is otherwise in the lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of, the person against whom the defensive force is used; or

(c) The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity; or

(d) The person against whom the defensive force is used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who enters or attempts to enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person entering or attempting to enter was a law enforcement officer.

(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.(4) A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person’s dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.
(5) As used in this section, the term:

(a) “Dwelling” means a building or conveyance of any kind, including any attached porch, whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed to be occupied by people lodging therein at night.

(b) “Residence” means a dwelling in which a person resides either temporarily or permanently or is visiting as an invited guest.

(c) “Vehicle” means a conveyance of any kind, whether or not motorized, which is designed to transport people or property.


http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/.../0776.013.html
 

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Deb, what do you think this ex-con had in mind when he drug the girl to the bedroom, was he just going to make polite small talk.....:BangHead:.

When he pistol wipped her fiance was it because the fiance did not ask him to stop in a polite tone.....:BangHead:


Armed Beauty Queen Fatally Shoots Intruder in Florida Home Invasion


When a burly ex-convict forced his way into a posh Florida home last week, he had no idea what awaited him -- a 25-year-old beauty queen with a pink .38-caliber handgun.

Meghan Brown, a former Florida pageant queen, shot and killed 42-year-old Albert Franklin Hill during a home invasion March 12 at the 2,732-square-foot house she shares with her fiance in Tierra Verde, Fla.

Hill barged into the home at around 3 a.m. after Brown responded to a knock at the front door, according to a police report. He allegedly grabbed the 110-pound Brown around her nose and mouth and dragged her to an upstairs bedroom.

The woman’s fiance, Robert Planthaber, said in an interview that he was quickly awakened by the altercation and ran to Brown’s side.

"I attacked him and took a severe beating to the head," Planthaber told FoxNews.com. "But I got him off of her long enough for her to scramble to the room where she keeps her pink .38 special.”
Brown, who reigned as the 2009 Miss Tierra Verde, snatched her gun from a nearby bedroom and shot the suspect several times – hitting him in the chest, groin, thigh and back, her fiance said. Hill was pronounced dead at the scene.

Panthaber, a 42-year-old arborist, said he believes he and his fiancee were targeted because of their wealth. He claimed a pizza delivery man and possible accomplice staked out the home for three months before Hill attempted to burglarize it.

“We live in a very prominent area and my fiancee wears a $60,000 engagement ring,” he said. “The pizza man knew we had money because sometimes we needed change for a $100 bill when he came to deliver pizza.”

Hill had a criminal record stretching back nearly three decades -- including arrests for burglary, battery, drug possession and grand theft. He reportedly served a 13-year prison term in 1987 and was released in September after serving a fourth term behind bars.

Detectives with the Pinellas County Sheriff’s Robbery/Homicide Unit are still investigating the crime but believe the motive was robbery, according to local press reports. They say they haven’t yet determined the relationship, if any, Hill had with the couple. A police report said the ex-convict demanded money before the altercation between Hill and Panthaber ensued.

Panthaber, meanwhile, said he and his fiancee are lucky to be alive. He said he purchased the pink handgun for Brown last Christmas and that the two had gone to target practice together.
“She was not a good shot at the range,” he quipped.


Read more: Armed Beauty Queen Fatally Shoots Intruder in Florida Home Invasion | Fox News
 

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You know how it is TH,some people crave to be victims.:icon_scratch:Remember,when attacked curl up into a fetal position until you are dead.:laughing7:
 

Looks like the jury came to the correct verdict. Crispin, I owe you a tank of gas. Lol!:beer:

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