Whatever. Bad experiences with people?

[T.C.]

I don't carry concealed, as I don't feel the need living in such a small quiet town, and now most of my metal detecting is in the woods away from people. The wild animals around here are also pretty harmless and wouldn't bother me unless I bothered them. On the other hand, I can definitely see how carrying a gun could be important while metal detecting in a rough neighborhood or big city.

...and that's your choice, Coinman. That's what I love about this country...freedom of choice. I guess people in these other country's don't mind being un-armed serfs. I would much rather die a free man, than to exist as a slave.

 

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[Nitric]

...and that's your choice, Coinman. That's what I love about this country...freedom of choice. I guess people in these other country's don't mind being un-armed serfs. I would much rather die a free man, than to exist as a slave.

Also, When out detecting or doing anything else out away from people. I personally like having a gun as a signal. If my wife and son are at camp, I slip and fall on a rock or hurt myself in a way that I can't walk? I can use the 3 shot signal to tell her to go get help. Where we camp is really rough and that is a real possibility. It's not always the fear of being robbed or an animal, I always leave the cellphone with her the two way radios or cell don't always work in some areas.

 

[Golden Retriver MtnDog]

I bet the dog could stuff you couldn’t. Like dog whistle. Is too high in frequency for the human hearing range

 

[Golden Retriver MtnDog]

I own and do carry occasionally when out in the wild. But in southern cal there are a lot of drug issues from smugglers to meth cooks out in the desert. I do own 2 big dogs. A golden retriever and a Bernese mtn dog. Not scary to honest folks but they have goood instinct about bad people. So they might bark. I would not have them off leash unless I was walking with them and no one is around.

I am flying to Idaho to pick up my new jeep and drive it back. To San Diego. Way better prices up there long story. And. I started looking at the geology up there. Man that’s gold country. So I thought aside from my fly rod. I thought I would take a gold pan. Then figured I would buy a detector up there and do some prospecting too. That is where this whole thing started Of course one thing leads to another. And my next thought (besides finding gold). Was self protection. I have come across a few bears. And like someone said they are usually running away. Mtn lions well in my only experience They let you know. Get the h out unless they are hungry then it’s different It is 2 legged predators that scare me. That and Bigfoot lol. Since I can’t take my personal preferences on a plane. I was wondering what folks do. I don’t want to start a gun arguement. Just thinking out loud. I expect to be camping alone on BLM land. But who knows.

 

[pepperj]

...and that's your choice, Coinman. That's what I love about this country...freedom of choice. I guess people in these other country's don't mind being un-armed serfs. I would much rather die a free man, than to exist as a slave.

Well T.C. It's not that I feel like a slave nor have we as a country, actually quite the opposite.
It's really kind of comforting walking around as un-armed serfs and knowing that another serf is as well.
Just look at how black your pot is really as this kettle whistles merrily in the land of the CCW free.

I find this an amazing fact: [FONT=arial, sans-serif]permits soared to over 16.36 million – a 256% increase since 2007. That's almost 50% of our country's population, and it shows that there is a serous need to have one. [/FONT]

 

[SittingElf]

The only place you will NOT find me carrying concealed these days, detecting or not, is when I am on a military base, where it is prohibited, and not needed in the first place. In Florida, we can't open carry, and I wouldn't anyway. Always concealed.

 

[Muddyhandz]

Oh yeah, all the serfs from these other countries are sooooo envious of all yer mass shootings!
A school teacher needing to be armed. Serious?
Live by the gun....die by the gun..... in the land of the free.
A guy basically insults other countries by calling them serfs and a moderator likes it.
We get guns to go out hunting, not because we fear for our lives.

 

[T.C.]

Oh yeah, all the serfs from these other countries are sooooo envious of all yer mass shootings!
A school teacher needing to be armed. Serious?
Live by the gun....die by the gun..... in the land of the free.
A guy basically insults other countries by calling them serfs and a moderator likes it.
We get guns to go out hunting, not because we fear for our lives.

...I don't care to be insulted by serfs insinuating I'm "scared", just because I carry in certain situations. Your opinion on firearms is irrelevant to me.

 

[pepperj]

...I don't care to be insulted by serfs insinuating I'm "scared", just because I carry in certain situations. Your opinion on firearms is irrelevant to me.

Just looked at every post and where do you find that someone insinuated that "YOU T.C. was scared"?

 

[T.C.]

Just looked at every post and where do you find that someone insinuated that "YOU T.C. was scared"?

You insinuated that "people" that carry while metal detecting are "scared." Don't be splitting hairs.

 

[Honest Samuel]

I am scare walking around drug users.

 

[Tahts-a-dats-ago]

Well T.C. It's not that I feel like a slave nor have we as a country, actually quite the opposite.
It's really kind of comforting walking around as un-armed serfs and knowing that another serf is as well.
Just look at how black your pot is really as this kettle whistles merrily in the land of the CCW free.

I find this an amazing fact: [FONT=arial, sans-serif]permits soared to over 16.36 million – a 256% increase since 2007. That's almost 50% of our country's population, and it shows that there is a serous need to have one. [/FONT]

I suppose I'm picking nits, but you don't know that (the other serf is unarmed as well). You can believe that, and you may well be correct, but you do not know that.

In spite of all the media's caterwauling, mass shootings are quite minimal in the states. Remove multiple major cities (where gun control laws are the most stringent) from the count and crimes involving guns (in the US) are well down on the list of nations publicizing gun crime statistics.

The problem isn't guns or even the lack of infringing laws; the problem is people without respect for laws or the rights of others. I would hazard a guess that our problems (people who do not respect others or the law) are the same general problems found in other nations.

There are a few major differences though: with the most major difference being the structure of power. Our ideals have power flowing from the people. We gave, via the Constitution, our government those powers specifically granted and only those specifically granted powers. Our rights do not come from a benevolent government - we derive our rights from our creator (we're born with them). Our rights are unalienable - meaning they cannot be taken, or given, away.

Granted, there are many here (in the US) who do not understand the concept and our ideals are frequently smeared in the effort to undermine individual freedoms. Generally when we speak of serfs and the government, we are not speaking about those citizens of other nations. Instead we are speaking of our own citizens who would gladly trade their freedom for a lifetime of government control. We draw a strict distinction between citizen and subject: with the former being free and in control of their lives, and the latter being constrained and controlled in every aspect of their lives (by the government).

It isn't fear that drives us to exercising our natural rights: it is freedom and the knowledge that governments are inherently intrusive.

I too find it amazing that 16.36 million free individuals have had their rights trampled to the point that they must secure permission (from the government) to exercise their natural rights. I find it sad that we've come to the point where we put up with that kind of crap.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Virginia has more concealed carry permits than any other state I believe; this fact must weigh on bad guys minds,,, "is he packing or not?" I've never had a problem but I am confident that a lesche shovel is an awesome weapon against man or beast.

Previous post is right about visibly packing; it gets too much attention and would make many permissions impossible.

Florida has the most conceal carry permits in the country 1.75 million, Virginia is number 10 with 429,387 carry permits.

https://www.gunstocarry.com/concealed-carry-statistics/

 

[Slingshot]

In 53 years of detecting - stepped into an underground yellow jacket nest - pulled off countless ticks from being in the woods - surrounded by a wild dog pack I had been warned were in the woods before I went in, I escaped unharmed but shaken - assaulted by wild man while detecting tree yards, guy was on drugs, I used my old metal cased Judge II as a club and man ran off - have stirred up several rattlesnakes - been checked out up close and personal while water hunting by 2 large water moccasins that didn't live long - hunting Miami Beach and was approached by a guy who pulled out an 8" Old Hickory butcher knife and told me he would sell it to me for $10, I paid him, and still have the knife, and never went back to hunt there anymore - intimidated and questioned numerous times, and run off several times by cops - yelled at and threatened by homeowners about being in tree yards that actually belonged to the city, always just packed up and went to another street when this happened - been in bad neighborhoods I should have never entered, just was lucky, "what's that crazy white boy doing over there". I'm older & hopefully wiser now, just hunt clad and gold rings in public areas where there are no restrictions on metal detecting, no woods relic hunting, or looking for trophy coins, been stalked in the parks but took immediate evasive action. I used to carry when in the woods, but never have in in urban settings. Be careful out there!

 

[T.C.]

I suppose I'm picking nits, but you don't know that (the other serf is unarmed as well). You can believe that, and you may well be correct, but you do not know that.

In spite of all the media's caterwauling, mass shootings are quite minimal in the states. Remove multiple major cities (where gun control laws are the most stringent) from the count and crimes involving guns (in the US) are well down on the list of nations publicizing gun crime statistics.

The problem isn't guns or even the lack of infringing laws; the problem is people without respect for laws or the rights of others. I would hazard a guess that our problems (people who do not respect others or the law) are the same general problems found in other nations.

There are a few major differences though: with the most major difference being the structure of power. Our ideals have power flowing from the people. We gave, via the Constitution, our government those powers specifically granted and only those specifically granted powers. Our rights do not come from a benevolent government - we derive our rights from our creator (we're born with them). Our rights are unalienable - meaning they cannot be taken, or given, away.

Granted, there are many here (in the US) who do not understand the concept and our ideals are frequently smeared in the effort to undermine individual freedoms. Generally when we speak of serfs and the government, we are not speaking about those citizens of other nations. Instead we are speaking of our own citizens who would gladly trade their freedom for a lifetime of government control. We draw a strict distinction between citizen and subject: with the former being free and in control of their lives, and the latter being constrained and controlled in every aspect of their lives (by the government).

It isn't fear that drives us to exercising our natural rights: it is freedom and the knowledge that governments are inherently intrusive.

I too find it amazing that 16.36 million free individuals have had their rights trampled to the point that they must secure permission (from the government) to exercise their natural rights. I find it sad that we've come to the point where we put up with that kind of crap.

Very well put, my friend

 

[FreeBirdTim]

In spite of all the media's caterwauling, mass shootings are quite minimal in the states.

Minimal? You wouldn't state that if someone you loved was in that "minimal" amount. ONE is too many to the vast majority of people in this country.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

On average 11 teens a day every day die from texting and driving yet their deaths don't seem to matter, just the ones from a mass shooting by a mentally ill man. 550 teens have died from texting since Parkland shooting kill 17 people. You really want to save kids lives ban teens from smart phones in their cars till they are 21 and your not trampling on our rights then either.

https://www.teensafe.com/blog/teens-texting-and-driving-facts-and-statistics/

 

[Red James Cash]

Give it up freebird,nobody in here wants to hear your antigun b.s.And as for me being scared of being mugged,I have 15 rounds of .45 ACP that says I'm not afraid of anything on this earth,if that isn't enough how about 30 rounds of 7.62x39.As for cops,i get along with them rather well.NH is constitutional Carry,no permit needed to carry concealed.Live free or die.

 

[releventchair]

Until a cop walks up to you and starts asking questions. He spots your concealed gun and screams "GUN!" to his partner who then blasts you to kingdom come. He'll walk away free as a bird and you'll be 6 feet under.

You come up with that by yourself ,or from a cop?

The last two officers that responded to an alarm I answered , entered a building without a warrant , found me carrying and no one got shot. Tell me ,who got shot

Your spreading false information is not appreciated.

Next time you talk to cops where I live ,ask them how they feel about my carrying. Then ask how they feel about my being licensed to ,but not carrying.

Getting shot does not require being armed any more than being armed. Consider your own behavior and temperament. Then guess which of us is more likely to be suspected of being unstable without transferring your attitude on others.

 

[GB1]

Give it up freebird,nobody in here wants to hear your antigun b.s.And as for me being scared of being mugged,I have 15 rounds of .45 ACP that says I'm not afraid of anything on this earth,if that isn't enough how about 30 rounds of 7.62x39.As for cops,i get along with them rather well.NH is constitutional Carry,no permit needed to carry concealed.Live free or die.

thank you for that as soon as i get old enough i'm getting my conceal carry permanent