What would you do?

[Treasure_Hunter]

No more attacks in this thread from anyone........

 

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[truckinbutch]

Sounds like somebody is overly paranoid. Someone looks scruffy and says hey and he gets all scared. It is insulting someone to say go away, I don't have any, to somebody who hasn't asked for anything. Maybe they just wanted to ask a simple question like directions or something. A lot of self-defense enthusiasts chime in about some inane imaginary circumstances about what if your baby was in the car. If you carry a loaded firearm you are looking for trouble. That is how people get shot over minor misunderstandings and it happens all too often. I travel often in NY City, have been in bad neighborhoods and never felt the need for a firearm. I am a skinny guy and don't look like a fearsome bada** either. Most shootings are tragic, and most are senseless. Mace is a good alternative for paranoid people, but maybe spending some time with folks who aren't just like you and learning that although they may be poor, a different race, or speak a different language, they aren't going to actually threaten your life. Most folks want the same thing all of us want, peace, tranquility, kindness, respect, and dignity. Respect others and they will respect you.

There's not much market for Christmas turkeys around here right now . They are a little too full . Someone else can 'splain that to ya if ya ain't country enough to unnerstan .

 

[bill from lachine]

Releventchair,

Funny thing is it took me forever to learn that it took more guts to walk away from a confrontation than to stand up and fight.....

Probably a zen thing...maybe Rebel can jump in and explain.

Regards + HH

Bill

Slow learner here too. But learned well. Don,t lean into left hooks,and there is all ways some one out there that can whup your butt.
Time i learned how to end a fight quick it was time to retire from violence much as possible.

 

[releventchair]

Releventchair,

Funny thing is it took me forever to learn that it took more guts to walk away from a confrontation than to stand up and fight.....

Probably a zen thing...maybe Rebel can jump in and explain.

Regards + HH



Bill

Had i learned that earlier i would have been better looking!

 

[Tnmountains]

TN: Nowhere did I say that caused me to need a gun. Please go back and read the thread and show me where I said that I now need a gun. TH suggested I get a gun and I replied that I had to put some serious thought into it. What I said was that the thought came to me, "Man, I need to get a gun." That was just a thought. It was a reaction to being confronted randomly in a parking lot. Also, it was primed by all the discussion on gun control in the news. Kind of like deciding you want to go to Disney World after watching the movie Aladdin. I, in fact, do not want a gun at this time. I just wanted to know what people who are responsible gun owners would have done in that situation. I was asking for opinions from people I respect. I was just trying to gather information...

"As I am driving away, I start thinking, "Man, I really need to buy a gun." Now, I don't own a gun, because guns kill people and I don't want to kill people. I have a samurai sword in the house but I obviously don't bring that in public. Speaking to the responsible gun owners out there, is there any point in this story that you would have pulled your gun out?"

Thanks,

Crispin

Crispin no problem. I was replying to your original post where you did say you needed to buy a gun and answering the question posted above, not the responses that followed. It was my opinion that obviously you did not need a gun in that circumstance. Not saying there will never be a time when you might actually need to have one. It is your right to protect ones self and there are also many ways to always feel safe. Glad it came out well.

 

[XLTer]

QUOTE : [ At that distance deciding to pull your gun is to late. If someone is less than ten feet fromyou, they can get t you before you get your gun out and fire it and kill them. Just becuase you shoot so,eone doesnt mean they will stop, they may keep on coming. Removing yourself fro, the situatuon is the best way to go. You removed yourself from the situation and no one got hurt.
YEP! BEST decision, (IMHO). ]


Agree 100% ! Always , always try to remove yourself from a situation first . Personally , once I was in my vehicle , I would have reached for my pistol and held it low but ready . Drive away then go for the cell phone ( if ) available .

Here is another perspective to consider if you would . Please don't misunderstand me as trying to claim I'm a bada** . But I never used to walk away from confrontations in my younger years . I would always stand my ground if I felt I was right . Now that I'm a father , I consider my childs protection above ALL else . That also includes me being here ( alive ) to take care of her . But , on the other hand if the situation arose , I would lay down my life for her without a second thought . I guess my point is , there are many factors to consider on how anyone handles a situation whether wrong or right .
Also , from what I'm told from friends in law enforcement , if you ever have to take another persons life in self defence , yours will be turned upside down in the judicial system . You'll be held for trial . Your firearm will be taken ( probable never to be returned ) and your finances will be devistated to retain a good lawyer for your defence trial . BUT , you will be ALIVE to prove your case . Something to think about when deciding to remove yourself ( if possible ) from a situation or standing your ground even though your 100% in the right .

Thanks & HH .

 

[austin]

At home I have a can of left over bear spray by my bed. I figure if it stops bears it stops criminals, or the wife if she gets too frisky!

JOKE IN mONTANA IS : hOW CAN YOU TELL IT'S bEAR SCAT? hAS CANS OF BEAR SPRAY IN IT...

 

[Chisos]

Take nerve tonic medicine and consult a shrink...

 

[Rebel - KGC]

JOKE IN mONTANA IS : hOW CAN YOU TELL IT'S bEAR SCAT? hAS CANS OF BEAR SPRAY IN IT...

NAH... THAT'S BIG-FOOT!

 

[pong12211]

Wow I can see how that could get you thinking about a way to protect yourself.. This has happened to me before I was in a gas station and a guy starts just randomly yelling at people and acting like a lunatic.. He came up to me and started screaming and throwing a fit and to this day I still have no idea why.. But I just told him to take a hike and I was'nt in the mood for it.. He scared alot of people and there was no reason for it.. Most gun owners don't ever want to have to use a firearm with deadly force unless it is a true last resort.. I can imagine your fear with the two individuals that you encountered.. Yes a gun will make you feel safer jst remember though that it is a true last resort.. Glad to hear you got out of it unhurt and no worse for wear... Be safe and get youself some protection....

 

[worldtalker]

Had i learned that earlier i would have been better looking!

Had I learned it earlier I'd still have my front teeth !

 

[G.I.B.]

Would it have been a false sense of security? In that situation I'm not sure the gun would have helped that much. It is a tough decision to take on the responsibility of owning a gun...that is for sure.

And this is why I default to my original post on page 1.

 

[packerbacker]

Crispin, you weren't even close to needing to draw a weapon. First of all, the guy behind you was not a threat, you actually had the advantage over him. Second, the guy at your window wasn't even pounding on the glass with his hand, just paper.
What I'm totally taken back by is you, of all people, stereotyping these guys because they looked "scruffy" and one was riding a crappy bike. Simply because of that you figure they are in "need" so your action is to tell them you can't help them even though they never asked for help. Maybe they simply needed directions, who knows. Does someone have to be well dressed, clean shaven and mounted on a new Schwinn to ask you anything? Just wondering.

 

[Crispin]

Crispin, you weren't even close to needing to draw a weapon. First of all, the guy behind you was not a threat, you actually had the advantage over him. Second, the guy at your window wasn't even pounding on the glass with his hand, just paper.
What I'm totally taken back by is you, of all people, stereotyping these guys because they looked "scruffy" and one was riding a crappy bike. Simply because of that you figure they are in "need" so your action is to tell them you can't help them even though they never asked for help. Maybe they simply needed directions, who knows. Does someone have to be well dressed, clean shaven and mounted on a new Schwinn to ask you anything? Just wondering.

I answered this before but I will answer it again. I have been attacked twice by random strangers. One pulled a knife on me and the other tried to hit be with a snow shovel. I ended both of these incidents by using my marital arts training and walking away. Look, when I approach a random stranger I say, "excuse me, sir." I don't yell "Heh!" and wave my hand. My response was, "I'm sorry, I can't help you." He then proceeded to yell, curse, and smack a wad of one dollar bills on my driver side window. Hmmmm...bit of an over reaction you think? He was on methamphetamines. If you live in central Florida then you run into these people fairly often. People who are on meth can be extremely violent and unpredictable.

If you want to think I "stereotyped" him then there is little I can do to convince you otherwise. However, I seriously doubt you would have wanted to stop and talk to these guys if you were in my position. I used the word "scruffy" because I was trying not to stereotype them. I'll go ahead and call them what they were...homeless drug addicts. Do you stop and have a conversation with a panhandler at a red light? If so...great. I don't. Thanks for answering the question but I think you are missing the point of the thread. Sigh...sometimes I feel like I can't win on this forum. You would be amazed what I have done to save people's lives in the ER and in the hospital. I put my butt on the line everyday for poorly dressed, unshaven, unshowered people. I do not need to do it when I am buying a few gallons of chlorine for my pool.

Anybody else want to take a shot? Lets get it all out of the way at once.

Crispin

 

[releventchair]

Crispin, i know it happened,but when you started thread i though you were being hypothetical. Was expecting scruffys to be undercover police at first.
Meth heads can get unreasonable in a hurry. Understood or not, they can be harmful to more than themselves. Police shot a friends relation over it for trying to harm them. When police are at risk we all are.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I have already listed no attacks, any "shots" will earn time.

Living in central Fla I know where you are coming from, since you have been attacked twice I would give serious consideration to a concealed license. If you had a pistol I dont think you would have pulled it but you would have had the piece of mind knowing if needed it was an option.

If there is a problem with members attacking please report it so it can be dealt with, dont reply in kind as then we have 2 to deal with.

 

[0121stockpicker]

Still havnt seen anyone post a realistic potential scenario when a gun would be pulled for self defense?

 

[releventchair]

Still havnt seen anyone post a realistic potential scenario when a gun would be pulled for self defense?

Google... Home the armed citizen. Scroll down to armed citizen stories. Info sources are identified.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

All anyone has to is Google man, boy, woman, girl stops attack with gun, no problem finding examples of real life cases even when you don't want to find them...

 

[TreasurePirate69]

Don't let his "wad of bills" fool you. He wanted to bum money off of you. His wad of bills was his "earnings" for the day/week. Why else would he be carrying it around with him in his pocket? Guys like this want to make you feel guilty for assuming the truth. The reality is that if you had not said no immediately he would have tried to get you to give him some money. He got upset because you pegged him for a con artist before he got to ply his trade.

I won't weigh in on the whole gun debate. But do NOT feel guilty because this guy got upset and pretended to not want your help. He was a con artist plain and simple.