WARD BASED HIS STORY ON ORIGINAL "THE BEALE PAPERS" PUBLISHED 1850

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why was the 1885 pamphlet only advertised for sale in Lynchburg?

Lynchburg. Some of its citizens only a couple years earlier dressing as natives to protest dog killing laws. A recent straightening out somewhat of monetary type notes.
But 1885, hmm, a new courthouse,a canal completed, maybe the depressive yellow fever may have inspired an outdoor adventure. Or was someone in that tobacco and cotton rich place trying to shake something loose from earlier times?
 

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releventchair said:
why was the 1885 pamphlet only advertised for sale in Lynchburg?

Lynchburg. Some of its citizens only a couple years earlier dressing as natives to protest dog killing laws. A recent straightening out somewhat of monetary type notes.
But 1885, hmm, a new courthouse,a canal completed, maybe the depressive yellow fever may have inspired an outdoor adventure. Or was someone in that tobacco and cotton rich place trying to shake something loose from earlier times?
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ECS said:
E F Beale's 1850 "BEALE PAPERS" was the true account of his expeditions,and as Franklin mentioned,there were several expeditions in that region,and several of those accounts were incorporated into Ward's copyrighted 1885 "Beale Papers".There were NO ciphers in the 1850 journal,which had led some to believe that John Edward Sherman,a dime novel wtiter of adventure novels that included treasure ciphers,could be the possible author of the 1885 work.
Ward acted as the copyright agent,author unknown,there is NO definate evidence that the 1885 T J Beale expedition depicted in that pamphlet ever really happened,and in what form the treasure was in,was the gold and silver ore,or converted into bars,and the St Louis diamonds,rough or cut,and if cut,the source?
...and why was the 1885 pamphlet only advertised for sale in Lynchburg?
Once again,think of the disclaimer included by the author.
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why was the 1885 pamphlet only advertised for sale in Lynchburg?
I quoted the why only advertised in Lynchburg.Again.
My point..One may consider the writers location and the timeworn free adds for press owners ,or eccentricities and current 1855 events as prime fodder for such a tale to be pursued. Gas to use ,and sadly blow up a home had just arrived,lots of new and amazing things were goin on. Anything was possible! If a treasure existed/ was suspected any local info could be wrung out by publishing paper on it, maybe it would have also been possible to get more info or action on it or focus attention on it.
 

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releventchair brings up a great point...."there was a lot of new and exciting stuff going on" throughout the era. People were fascinated with the west, the stories that were coming back, the country was still building itself. Nothing like today where every stone has already been turned. The west was a thriving mystery and it's potential and outcome was still unknown.
 

Going to be offline for a while, will be traveling for a few days. So let me leave you with something.......

I'm going to go out on a limb and tell you that T.J.Beale was indeed French, also going to tell you that I can prove this statement. This is why nobody has been able to locate him, and never will. A riddle of sorts, I know, but you can prove this to yourself if you are so inclined to look. The authors could not use the name T.J.French, but they so wanted to, even provided their intended targets with the resounding "connexion" to the fact.

"and I thought him the handsomest man I had ever seen. Altogether, he was a model of manly beauty, favored by the ladies and envied by men....."

Anyone who was French, or had direct "connexion" with the matter would have quickly recognized several of the dropped hints in the pamphlet. The above detail comes at the end of the personal description of Beale, and there is reason for that.
 

releventchair said:
why was the 1885 pamphlet only advertised for sale in Lynchburg?

Lynchburg. Some of its citizens only a couple years earlier dressing as natives to protest dog killing laws. A recent straightening out somewhat of monetary type notes.
But 1885, hmm, a new courthouse,a canal completed, maybe the depressive yellow fever may have inspired an outdoor adventure. Or was someone in that tobacco and cotton rich place trying to shake something loose from earlier times?
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When...? "Tobacco rich... YES! Cotton rich... NEVER.
 

bigscoop said:
Going to be offline for a while, will be traveling for a few days. So let me leave you with something.......

I'm going to go out on a limb and tell you that T.J.Beale was indeed French, also going to tell you that I can prove this statement. This is why nobody has been able to locate him, and never will. A riddle of sorts, I know, but you can prove this to yourself if you are so inclined to look. The authors could not use the name T.J.French, but they so wanted to, even provided their intended targets with the resounding "connexion" to the fact.

"and I thought him the handsomest man I had ever seen. Altogether, he was a model of manly beauty, favored by the ladies and envied by men....."

Anyone who was French, or had direct "connexion" with the matter would have quickly recognized several of the dropped hints in the pamphlet. The above detail comes at the end of the personal description of Beale, and there is reason for that.
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"Manly BEAUTY"...? LOL! THAT part was written by a WOMAN!
 

Entertaining!!! Please continue.

Fact or fiction??? I've been told for years and have read that the son of god died for me on a cross. Many written accounts. I believed this happened!!! But are there scientific facts backing this? But yet we beleive. So how can we say one way or another that this is a hoax? Just saying
 

A bale of cotton could go anywhere. It required a distribution net work,storage, (think warehouse, canal or railroad,ship or wagon) and lot trace ability,(think bale seals and codes). Any thing could be in the bale and once in a warehouse what could become of it?
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Old Silver said:
But you have no proof for your theory. I think if you require evidence from other people, then you should be required to produce proof yourself.
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Old Silver,is there any purpose to your constant unrelenting bagering of me for proof?
Others have stated their "theories"opinions on this thread without proof, without you singling them out.
I,along with others on this thread, HAVE presented the reasons for our opinions based on our research into the Beale story-from dime novel to Poe to Freemason Freehold to Lafitte,CSA treasury,etc-and all "theories" are welcome and will be explored.
BigScoop and Tat have provided me with different leads to follow,and while I may disagree with some,their insight is always welcome.
Instead of your constant asking for proof from others,why not post your own theory,opinion,or belief concerning the Beale treasure story.Your thoughts would be welcome.
After all,arn't we all searching for the truth behind this tale of treasure?
 

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Maybe I can help with this... Looking at the "1885 Beale Papers" you will find as I understand it, the three letters addressed to Robert Morriss from Thomas J. Beale. The letter dated January 4th, 1822 to caontain plagiarized items from the 1850 Beale publication. The actual 1885 Beale Papers to have been written by recipient of the of the papers a year before the death of Robert Morriss. This person may not have been James Beverly Ward. Robert Morriss wrote nothing, he had just told of his accounts that lead up to the point of giving the papers away.
 

releventchair said:
A bale of cotton could go anywhere. It required a distribution net work,storage, (think warehouse, canal or railroad,ship or wagon) and lot trace ability,(think bale seals and codes). Any thing could be in the bale and once in a warehouse what could become of it?
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Warehouses in Lynchburg, Va. were for TOBACCO, only; some are STILL used as Biz Offices. One old warehouse collapsed, last year... bricks went for $50.00 a brick; own a piece of Lynchburg, Va. HISTORY!
 

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After rereading the Beale pamphlet,it does appear to have the hand of several writers contributions,including an editor(Ward?) for continuity.
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NOPE, Ward wasn't editor; ONLY agent for author to get Copyright for BEALE PAPERS. ALL he had was the TITLE!
 

treasure1822 said:
Maybe I can help with this... Looking at the "1885 Beale Papers" you will find as I understand it, the three letters addressed to Robert Morriss from Thomas J. Beale. The letter dated January 4th, 1822 to caontain plagiarized items from the 1850 Beale publication. The actual 1885 Beale Papers to have been written by recipient of the of the papers a year before the death of Robert Morriss. This person may not have been James Beverly Ward. Robert Morriss wrote nothing, he had just told of his accounts that lead up to the point of giving the papers away.
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"THE SECRET", in the "SECOND YEAR, of the CONFEDERATE WAR"... 1861-1865. 1863...?
 

Yeah, Morriss give the papers away in 1862 and dies in 1863 the second year of the war. But are you saying Beale and CSA are connected?
 

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