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ECS, answer this question for me, was there codes in the 1850 "Beale Papers"? Or was it the accounts of E.F. Beale's expadition?
WARD BASED HIS STORY ON ORIGINAL "THE BEALE PAPERS" PUBLISHED 1850
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You, and many others, have devoted a lot of time and effort to this simple fictional tale. It might be a good thing that those who believe in the fictional dime novel theory aren't 100% convinced. Those who are convinced are said to be delusional.
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I think you're maybe reading too much into what I've said.....this simply being that, in reality, "nobody" can say one way or the other. I have my own feelings as to what I think is possible but I'm also ever aware that I could be wrong. I think this same thing holds true for anyone who believes it was just a dime novel. Again, to date, there is no smoking gun in any of it one way or the other. Given this, why would anyone allow themselves to be 100% convinced in regards to any possible theory? Having a positive attitude and being 100% positive aren't always the same thing.
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I agree with you.
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Define "Smoking Gun"... PLENTY of "Smoking Guns" from the Confederate War, which started in 1861.
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Unless somone theory is based on the pretense of the creators want for total anonymity.
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Define "Smoking Gun"... PLENTY of "Smoking Guns" from the Confederate War, which started in 1861.
Hey! And a lot of those bullets were conclusive! You may be onto something big!
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It's possible. But who can say for sure?
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It seems as though the creator "walked in someone elses footsteps" as it were.
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Could be...and there are theories to that accord. I'm not against the notion that the publication was "a rattling of the bushes" to see what might fly out?
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Would you say that people of that era were somewhat versed in the bible? The reason for anonymity can be as easy as MATTHEW 6:1-34. Would you chance eternity?
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Go to the library, grab any history based book off the shelf, we can find something in it to connect to the Beale story. Doesn't really matter what it is or how we connect it, but we will find something. This is why I've come to determine that unless someone comes across an actual direct reference to the Beale story then it has to remain a work of fiction because there's nothing to say otherwise. This is why Jay and I are searching private paper collections and other sources for that possible reference.
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Hey! And a lot of those bullets were conclusive! You may be onto something big!
I AM!
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CLOSE! MORE like a "Wake Up" call... NOTICE! It was only released in LYNCHBURG, Va.!
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ALREADY in PRIVATE papers (family), here in Lynchburg, Va. Known as RAGLAND Family papers. The Hutters are in there; the story about Vattel's LAW OF NATION being saved from burning in Danville, Va. is in there... MORE info that suits ME!
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You keep at it.....one day you might find something that actually, and "directly", connects to the Beale Pamphlet story.
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E F Beale's 1850 "BEALE PAPERS" was the true account of his expeditions,and as Franklin mentioned,there were several expeditions in that region,and several of those accounts were incorporated into Ward's copyrighted 1885 "Beale Papers".There were NO ciphers in the 1850 journal,which had led some to believe that John Edward Sherman,a dime novel wtiter of adventure novels that included treasure ciphers,could be the possible author of the 1885 work.
Ward acted as the copyright agent,author unknown,there is NO definate evidence that the 1885 T J Beale expedition depicted in that pamphlet ever really happened,and in what form the treasure was in,was the gold and silver ore,or converted into bars,and the St Louis diamonds,rough or cut,and if cut,the source?
...and why was the 1885 pamphlet only advertised for sale in Lynchburg?
Once again,think of the disclaimer included by the author.
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There is strong evidence of a dime novel, to be sure, anyone who refuses to believe this is just kidding himself. But the great thing about this story is nothing is for certain. True, there were many expeditions, both small and large, that took to the west in the period referenced, and they didn't just all originate from Virgina or Lynchburg, but several did. It's also a matter of record that men did pass through the region trying to recruit such adventurers for various expeditions. And when we look at the politics of the period and all the opportunist with their eyes on the west it's so very easy to plot a number of them into a possible solution, many of them even knowing each other. So the timing of the tale, the era in which it was said to have happened, this creates enough content and enough possible suspects to build endless theories. As for it only being market in the Lynchburg region....even this leaves room for scrutiny. Brilliant! Even if it was never intended to be.
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"In person, he was about six feet in height, with jet black eyes and hair of the same color, worn longer than was the style at that time. His form was symmetrical, and gave evidence of unusual strength and activity; but his distinguishing feature was a dark and swarthy complexion, as if much exposure to the sun and weather had thoroughly tanned and discolored him; this, however, did not detract from his appearance, and I thought him the handsomest man I had ever seen. Altogether, he was a model of manly beauty, favored by the ladies and envied by men....."
I could easily suggest to readers that this alone stands as very strong evidence of the French influence in the story, and yet most would never recognize the strong connexion/connection. Most would go back to Laffitte, perhaps, but that's not even close.
I could easily suggest to readers that this alone stands as very strong evidence of the French influence in the story, and yet most would never recognize the strong connexion/connection. Most would go back to Laffitte, perhaps, but that's not even close.
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