Video 4 - The Peralta Stone Maps with Frank Augustine

coazon de oro said:
Howdy Ryan,

Men as honest as Mike "Gollum" are hard to come by. He picked that username because he is in search of the truth. No one has been more thural in their research, and examination of the PSM's. As you question his integrity, it makes me wonder what your next video will be like. Now you have to prove how the stone he is holding is different than the one you "examined". Gook luck with that.

Homar
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Howdy to you as well, Homar!

My intention - as always - is to question everything.

He obviously edited the photo - and perhaps Deducer is correct that he was simply trying to fix a bad photo / lighting and did a poor job of it.

The map he is holding looks like the one I saw / photographed as well. However, the images he has on his website are completely different.

Sorry for not being more clear in my initial post. I was comparing "known" map samples (there are quite a few) - and started with his website, then linked back here to T-Net - and the maps are not the same....at all. Combine that with an edited photo - well, it seems worth an inquiry!

Anyone should be able to agree with that, even you =)

As to video 6 - my intention is to take an unbiased approach - just like I did in the first segment of the Stone Maps. I will admit, that the negativity towards the maps outweighs the positivity 10 / 1.

I have been given some great images that show how the trail map is pretty exacting - and these aren't google earth images. I will show where the map starts - and where it ends.

Homar - do you have any trips scheduled to come to Arizona to put your Google Earth theories on the maps to a test? You've certainly done a lot of impressive research and cant wait to see what you may find.
 

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As to Mike's photo. Yes, if you look closely at the edges of the stone, and the gloved fingers, the photo has been chopped and edited. The question is why?

Questioning why doesn't automatically jump to questioning Mike's integrity. There could be a very simple and innocent answer. That answer is more than just enhancing the light tones. That could have much easier been done to the entire photo. This isn't a simple light adjustment, this took time.

Mike is a big boy and, I feel he's fully capable of taking up for himself. Its most unfortunate he isn't posting on this forum. If this story had been the "other way around" you can bet your last dollar Mike would be one of, if not the first, to raise a question. Its almost a duty of a true fact hunter.

Its a reasonable question. Pushing that question under the rug just adds to the already hefty pile of questions that surround the stones.
 

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markmar said:
You read all the posts or only mine ?
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I just read last 110 posts, there are over 580 posts, doesn't matter, rules always apply...There is no " he started first". If someone violates rules report it don't break rules replying to posts...
 

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As to Mike's photo. Yes, if you look closely at the edges of the stone, and the gloved fingers, the photo has been chopped and edited. The question is why?

Questioning why doesn't automatically jump to questioning Mike's integrity. There could be a very simple and innocent answer. That answer is more than just enhancing the light tones. That could have much easier been done to the entire photo. This isn't a simple light adjustment, this took time.

Mike is a big boy and, I feel he's fully capable of taking up for himself. Its most unfortunate he isn't posting on this forum. If this story had been the "other way around" you can bet your last dollar Mike would be one of, if not the first, to raise a question. Its almost a duty of a true fact hunter.

Its a reasonable question. Pushing that question under the rug just adds to the already hefty pile of questions that surround the stones.
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I elect Old as my spokeswoman- that is exactly what I was trying to say - she just said it much better.

You guys quickly forget that I was the one who initially stood up for Mike and his "ban" from the forum.


I've spoken to mike by phone - and he and I see things quite differently on most things - and that is what makes him interesting.

Moving on until Mike chooses to reply or not. His ban was lifted a few weeks ago.
 

The first thing I look at when comparing photos of the H/P stone is this.
This bracket begins and ends at specific points.

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This is how it appears on the stone which was professionally photographed during the same time frame as when it was donated to the Flagg Collection/AMMM.

Richard Robinson, who made the castings sold for a time by the AMMM, used this and the other photos I generally use for reference in an article he wrote back in 2001......http://www.lost-dutchman.com/dutchman/theGate/theGate1.htm

Regards:SH.
 

If you look closely at Mikes fingertips you can see that the image was not inserted but selected for editing. I'm sure he enhanced the image for more clarity.
 

RG1976

You wrote : " I have been given some great images that show how the trail map is pretty exacting - and these aren't google earth images. I will show where the map starts - and where it ends. "

Your announcement about the stone trail map seems to be very precise . This will not allow in the future to make a video with the real stone trail map , Too bad .
 

markmar said:
RG1976

You wrote : " I have been given some great images that show how the trail map is pretty exacting - and these aren't google earth images. I will show where the map starts - and where it ends. "

Your announcement about the stone trail map seems to be very precise . This will not allow in the future to make a video with the real stone trail map , Too bad .
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haha =)

well - you will have to see if the photos that were supplied to me - match what you believe as well!
 

No worries guys...the real book with real answers will be put out this year. All will be taught how this is really done.
 

I also went on strike when Mike was banned, and wish he would come back and continue posting to address this photo alteration. Knowing him though, he is done with T-net after what happened. Hope I'm wrong.
 

UncleMatt said:
I also went on strike when Mike was banned, and wish he would come back and continue posting to address this photo alteration. Knowing him though, he is done with T-net after what happened. Hope I'm wrong.
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mike's done posting on this site..and i dont blame him...i dont think i'll be posting anything useful either
 

JMO, if you notice Mike is outside, and its prob at the museum, im thinking
ya Mikes a good guy, but is the museum REALLY going to let anyone take
a PSM , that they think is the real deal outside, so maybe Mike shopped it
in, just because he wanted it to look as real as real could be, ya know
 

Gonzales/Peralta/Montezuma/Dutchman All the same mine and all located with those stones
 

somehiker said:
The first thing I look at when comparing photos of the H/P stone is this.
This bracket begins and ends at specific points.

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This is how it appears on the stone which was professionally photographed during the same time frame as when it was donated to the Flagg Collection/AMMM.

Richard Robinson, who made the castings sold for a time by the AMMM, used this and the other photos I generally use for reference in an article he wrote back in 2001......http://www.lost-dutchman.com/dutchman/theGate/theGate1.htm

Regards:SH.
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good read SH, from your link, ive always wanted to line the maps up like this
wonder if someone could do a 3d rendering, from posted imgs
http://www.lost-dutchman.com/dutchman/theGate/theGate1_files/image016.jpg
 

I've already posted the photos of the crosses and explanation, possibly in this thread.
 

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