Video 4 - The Peralta Stone Maps with Frank Augustine

[sgtfda]

I'm surprised no one noticed the pencil heart was drawn with a long point. Different artist?

 

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[somehiker]

Marius:

Knowing where the trail begins IS what makes each resolution possible.
And ego (also a latin word) does play a part in that which drives us into the unknown as treasure hunters. As much in fact as morale, which is often diminished by a lack of new findings supportive of what we are discussing within this topic. I agree with Billy S., in that you have every right to argue your theories within these threads, and I read all that you share with us, despite the fact that we are far apart in our respective analysis of the stones. But in the true spirit of debate, we all seek the best answers to our individual and collective questions, and egos aside, I don't believe we are wasting our time and lives in doing so.

Regards:SH.

 

[somehiker]

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I'm surprised no one noticed the pencil heart was drawn with a long point. Different artist?

Parallax error Frank. Whereby this outline appears narrower and longer (sharper point) when viewed from an angle.
Straight on, the outline seems more proportional to the heart pocket on the upper trail stone.

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Regards:Wayne

 

[Azquester]

This weekend I'll be taking this out to help stroke my ego with my duplicity of my Treasure Hunting personalities.

Basically I keep lying to myself!

This is my modified White's 808 deep seeker.

I've sent this thing in twice to White for a rebuild but they could never fix the stability of the unit. It would loose the antenna ground balance after a few times using it so I added copper wire grounding to the aluminum frame and attached it by hose clamps on both the antenna's. I also added black electrical tape around the antenna loop clamps. This helps keep the unit from loosing it's ground balance while scanning rough terrain. A real life problem in Arizona's dry barren rocky landscape.

The unit still works great and I test it regular on my septic tank. You can see this 808 has been a lot of bad places looking for treasures!

One thing is though this 808 will only pick up truly large targets. If it's metal it would probably have to be about the size of a city Bus for this unit to pick it up at twenty feet down.

The great of this is the 808 picks up disturbed ground or buried mine / cave entrances very well.

Also graves.

So I'm going Stone Map Hunting!

That's my billfold in front of it.



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[RG1976]

Hoping to have this ready by late evening tomorrow (sunday)

 

[Azquester]

Vehicles I use when Stone Map Treasure Hunting:

1969 Coronet 500 Modified 400 inch big block with high lift cam.

I did the dress up, Modifications, tune up, and test driving on this motor with an installed Crane 272 cam.

About 450 Horses from the stone Horse Power Map Bumble Bee edition.

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1966 Oldsmobile Cutlass Sport Coupe Post
New paint and motor original 330 cid 250 horses (From the Stone Horse Power Map)

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And finally my favorite I ran this Stone Map Treasure Hunting car until it wouldn't go anymore and left it out there. I had to walk many miles back.


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[deducer]

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Billy,

I am not insinuating that setting foot in the Supes qualifies one as being initiated into some sort of secret "I know something you don't" club. I don't belong to one nor am I aware of any such thing.

While Marius has every right to express his opinions, my remarks are directed towards his tendency to lecture others out of frustration, whenever he feels unappreciated or ignored. Suggesting that others are wrong in their interpretation of certain artifacts, contributes nothing to the discussion at hand. Especially when those "others" happen to be people who are seriously dedicated to the search, and have spent many years in these mountains, or like Frank, live within sight of the mountains.

I am suggesting that it will go a long way for him if he were to make a trip into these mountains, as his thoughts and remarks would then be taken more seriously.

 

[RG1976]

I'm always finding the strangest stuff. I'm sitting here working on the video - comparing "known" maps - and remembered that Mike (Gollum) also had a viewing.

His map doesn't look like the maps I saw though - so I started to zoom in.....and come to find out.....the map he is holding in the picture has been edited....

Now I'm not pointing any fingers - but he did infact upload the photo himself - and I invite you download the picture here:

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/l...-most-likely-planted-fakes-5.html#post4404564

Look around the outside edges of the map - and you will see distinct editing lines.

How did no one see this before? That post has been viewed by 1000's of people.

You out there Gollum? Curious minds want to know!

 

[UncleMatt]

I see what you mean, it especially shows up around the glove fingers, where you can see evidence of photoshopping

 

[sdcfia]

Look around the outside edges of the map - and you will see distinct editing lines.

How did no one see this before? That post has been viewed by 1000's of people.

Why would Gollum (Mike) edit in a different map?

You out there Gollum? Curious minds want to know! After all, you must be proud - it was your main profile photo

It appears to be a misrepresentation for reasons that only he can explain.

 

[deducer]

Why would Gollum (Mike) edit in a different map?

He didn't. That is the H/P stone.

Just a clumsy attempt at increasing brightness without affecting the rest of the photograph; note the light is behind him.

Bet you this was before he knew about the dodging feature in photoshop.

Only thing he is guilty of is enhancing himself.

 

[Billy Sastard]

Billy,

I am not insinuating that setting foot in the Supes qualifies one as being initiated into some sort of secret "I know something you don't" club. I don't belong to one nor am I aware of any such thing.

While Marius has every right to express his opinions, my remarks are directed towards his tendency to lecture others out of frustration, whenever he feels unappreciated or ignored. Suggesting that others are wrong in their interpretation of certain artifacts, contributes nothing to the discussion at hand. Especially when those "others" happen to be people who are seriously dedicated to the search, and have spent many years in these mountains, or like Frank, live within sight of the mountains.

I am suggesting that it will go a long way for him if he were to make a trip into these mountains, as his thoughts and remarks would then be taken more seriously.

There is no mistaking a language barrier here and all of his posts must be viewed through that filter, but talking down to someone because you personally feel lectured is far beneath either of you intellectually. Are we here to learn more about a common interest or argue that "I'm right because I've been there, so phooey"?

 

[markmar]

Arthur

I have friends and relatives in NY , and my father lives in Toronto , Canada . Every two years ( because my father comes the next year to me ) I'm coming to the States for about two weeks and after I continue my trip to Toronto for about a month . So , you can understand how I could find the time to visit the Superstitions .
Is easy to tell/brag how I hiked in the Supes and make myself more believable , but I can't do this for many reasons which you will understand later if you have little patience .
And don't forget , is a brain exercise game which could be done only using sensible details .

 

[RG1976]

He didn't. That is the H/P stone.

Just a clumsy attempt at increasing brightness without affecting the rest of the photograph; note the light is behind him.

Bet you this was before he knew about the dodging feature in photoshop.

Only thing he is guilty of is enhancing himself.

You could be right, Deducer. If you are, he certainly took the hard route in fixing a simple problem.

I am still stuck with this though...

The images he displays on his website are not the same maps the museum showed me - nor is the H/P map in his hands the same as his website.

See for yourself - and as always - choose for yourselves.

Perhaps he saw the "originals" at the museum - did a poor editing job - then photographed replica's for his website.

Makes it hard doing research though - especially when dealing with the stones - which is probably more convoluted than the story of the dutchman!

Peralta Stones Stone Maps <~~ link

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Bill, the linage of the whites 808 = Origionly the 3-d instrument with a manual ground canceling, then the Discovery with auto balancing, then the white 808. They all degenerted in sensitivity after the 3-D and the manual ground balancing.

With my 3-D i could pick up an 8 real silver coin under perhaps 2-3 inces of dirt, with the Discovery perhaps 1", with the whites surface only. However the 808 is still a fine machine.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Any more insults and some will lose posting privileges...

Markmar, Billy Sastard reread our rules on insults.

 

[coazon de oro]

I'm always finding the strangest stuff. I'm sitting here working on the video - comparing "known" maps - and remembered that Mike (Gollum) also had a viewing.

His map doesn't look like the maps I saw though - so I started to zoom in.....and come to find out.....the map he is holding in the picture has been edited....

Now I'm not pointing any fingers - but he did infact upload the photo himself - and I invite you download the picture here:

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/l...-most-likely-planted-fakes-5.html#post4404564

Look around the outside edges of the map - and you will see distinct editing lines.

How did no one see this before? That post has been viewed by 1000's of people.

Why would Gollum (Mike) edit in a different map?

You out there Gollum? Curious minds want to know! After all, you must be proud - it was your main profile photo

Howdy Ryan,

Men as honest as Mike "Gollum" are hard to come by. He picked that username because he is in search of the truth. No one has been more thural in their research, and examination of the PSM's. As you question his integrity, it makes me wonder what your next video will be like. Now you have to prove how the stone he is holding is different than the one you "examined". Gook luck with that.

Homar

 

[deducer]

Are we here to learn more about a common interest or argue that "I'm right because I've been there, so phooey"?

Please feel free to find any posts on this forum where any one of us told Marius he was wrong.

Don't think anyone is intentionally talking down to Marius; I know I'm not.

Pretty sure Frank would love to give him a tour if he stops by.

 

[markmar]

Any more insults and some will lose posting privileges...

Markmar, Billy Sastard reread our rules on insults.

You read all the posts or only mine ?

 

[deducer]

Hmm - I'm not so sure about that. LOL!

The images he displays on his website are not the same maps the museum showed me - nor is the H/P map in his "hands" the same as his website.

See for yourself - and as always - choose for yourselves.

Peralta Stones Stone Maps <~~ link

Yes, understood. The stones shown on his website are one of many duplicates made from molds. Not sure if he has these in his personal collection or if he used another collection for convenience.

Pretty sure he isn't out to fool anyone.

He has no such agenda anyway, in that he has mentioned he doesn't believe the H/P stone to have any inherent value (if I'm not wrong).