Video 4 - The Peralta Stone Maps with Frank Augustine

Bill Riley said:
Ryan were you allowed to feel the stones with gloves and see if that heart was penciled in or slightly engraved?

It looks like it was once cut but has since wore down the cutting lines with time.
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looks penciled to me, i think it would have had to be one of those thick dark
pencils, that made the mark and survived the tape removal

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It was def a pencil or similar writing tool.
 

I suppose it could be charcoal I know that the Spanish had some sort of pencil for writing. The width of the pencil could be from wear during the writing process on a rock surface.

Maybe they designed the heart stone on the PH Map. They were simply Doodling. Have it tested at a lab if you really serious. Otherwise we're all just flapping doodles.



RG1976 said:
It was def a pencil or similar writing tool.
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Travis Tumlinon's Dig Site Cowboy Coffee

This was the Cowboy Coffee Pot I discovered right near the north dig site hole at the new highway Queen Creek Bridge hidden under a tree.

Could this be the fresh Coffee Travis made while searching for the stone maps? Is there a picture of his house perhaps that might show this Pot on his old stove back home?

The time period this was made might hold the key.

I'm leaving it up to others on here to try and date this Pot. What you see is what you get.




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"Pencil" in both name and as a writing tool has been around since 1565.
By 1662, they were being mass produced in Nuremburg, Germany.....Pencils
The "perficio map" appears to have been drawn with a pencil as well.....or as Columbo would say....
"Oh, and there's just one more thing..."

Go back far enough, and you can find suspects who were also from Germany and were fluent in Latin.
They also made maps.
 

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I think Tumlinson or an associate may have made notes on the stone maps during the 10 or so years he was trying to apply them to the mountain range.
 

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Perhaps the penciled heart was just an outline before the artist took a chisel to it?
Easier to follow a pencil trace than to free hand it with whatever cutting tool was used.
If so, maybe the map wasn' t finished?
 

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You may be right.

Or it was once cut but because it became so hard to see they enhanced it with a pencil like chalk on a Petroglyph?


txtea said:
Perhaps the penciled heart was just an outline before the artist took a chisel to it?
Easier to follow a pencil trace than to free hand it with whatever cutting tool was used.
If so, maybe the map wasn' t finished?
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Frank, Ryan, is the what looks like a penciled heart, carved or engraved
then penciled in, or is it just a penciled mark in the shape of a heart on stone
i cant wait to see the vid, i have a feeling it will be the best documentation
of the original/Tumlinson stones to date
 

Whatever it ends up being it won't be an absolute conclusion we'll have to wait for the next Video.

If anyone claims to have solved the provenance of these stones let them show their absolute undisputed evidence of this with clear historical documentation no he said she said BS. Witnesses that are no longer alive no way.

We demand undeniable proof!

If they end up being fakes they are good ones!

You may be able to buy them pretty cheap then. Good for door stops or garden stepping stones.







cw0909 said:
Frank, Ryan, is the what looks like a penciled heart, carved or engraved
then penciled in, or is it just a penciled mark in the shape of a heart on stone
i cant wait to see the vid, i have a feeling it will be the best documentation
of the original/Tumlinson stones to date
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no way to prove the stones are the Tumlinson stones at the museum, but i do think
they are the ones , Mitchell claimed are
dam wifi, only on Tnet do i have a on off prob lately weird

Bill Riley said:
Whatever it ends up being it won't be an absolute conclusion we'll have to wait for the next Video.

If anyone claims to have solved the provenance of these stones let them show their absolute undisputed evidence of this with clear historical documentation no he said she said BS. Witnesses that are no longer alive no way.

We demand undeniable proof!

If they end up being fakes they are good ones!

You may be able to buy them pretty cheap then. Good for door stops or garden stepping stones.
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Bill Riley said:
This was the Cowboy Coffee Pot I discovered right near the north dig site hole at the new highway Queen Creek Bridge hidden under a tree.

Could this be the fresh Coffee Travis made while searching for the stone maps? Is there a picture of his house perhaps that might show this Pot on his old stove back home?

The time period this was made might hold the key.

I'm leaving it up to others on here to try and date this Pot. What you see is what you get.




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Eight out of ten cups rating!
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Looks to be a vintage late 1800's pioneer coffee pot.
Sweet find!
 

somehiker

The words which were translated on the " perficio " map , were added on the picture after . Maybe to make more impressive the picture . The calligraphic writings are so perfect to be written on an uneven rock ( look at that portion of the rock ) .
Also , this " cursum " map is not a map at all , but is an important clue to where the trail starts .
Think Wayne , think !
 

Marius:

I have and have had plenty of time to think about all of these things, both on and off site for several years now.
My conclusions do not come easy, but have the advantage of having been made with the experience gained by having searched this particular haystack straw by straw.
That is not something you can do from half a world away, or by staring at google earth and panaramio photos until your eyes bleed.
Yes, it's likely the written script was added to the drawing sometime after, or perhaps before, and none of that which I have translated appears on the boulder or the rocks which surround it. It is however, a description of something else associated with the boulder....and very close to it.
It's not a trail, but it does mark the end of one.

Regards:SH.
 

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Marius,

You are speaking out of turn.

SH's lack of modesty does not come from duplicity as your does, but from the sheer amount of legwork and serious research he has done, and in this regard he is in a class of his own.

If you want to get any real respect around here, you need to put foot to ground in the Supes, literally.

Google images will not get you anywhere.
 

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cw0909 said:
Frank, Ryan, is the what looks like a penciled heart, carved or engraved
then penciled in, or is it just a penciled mark in the shape of a heart on stone
i cant wait to see the vid, i have a feeling it will be the best documentation
of the original/Tumlinson stones to

No question it's a pencil like outline . No indication of engraving in the past.
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