Video 4 - The Peralta Stone Maps with Frank Augustine

[Azquester]

Thanks!


This whole thing reminds me of one basic rule I've seen on other treasure hunting adventures mainly with Pirates, but this has got to be some sort of a Pirate way of thinking.

Treasure Hunting 101:
When is a Grave not a Grave?

When it contains a MAPA!

Those Rascal's had a morbid sense of humor they could be burying those maps in make believe graves with make believe grave stones. That way El Tio can hold the keys below earth!

Now I'm sure you guys are going too blow all these basic theories out of the water with your next Video?

Well if we're going to do an exhumation of the site we need some sort of priest with a pointed hat!

Hey nice one Bill!!

I didn't see that site - sounds like you're the first!

And just for the record - you post any find you come across - never think you need permission or will piss anyone off.

 

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[sgtfda]

Bill I got to hand it to you. You do more than talk!

 

[somehiker]

Unfortunately, there are too many who dump their garbage anywhere within rifle shot of a road.
Especially if they have to pay for weekly collection of their trash.
The first time I went out to look over the "alternate discovery site" on El Camino Viejo, I noticed what looked like a big pile of black boulders off in the brush.
So I backed up, turned off the paved road and followed one of the trails until I found what turned out to be a large pile of garbage bags. I was driving a rented HHR with plenty of room inside, so I loaded the stuff and took it back to the motel, where I put it in the dumper. It was hot though, and I had to drive all the way to Phoenix with the windows all down, since some of the bags had holes and were starting to reek. A couple more months and that stuff would have been scattered everywhere. So don't be surprised, or get too excited when you find stuff like that out there.

Regards:SH.

 

[KXMember]

Good man

 

[Hal Croves]

Good man

Anyone who does that is a very good man.

 

[KXMember]

Always haulin trash and cig butts out.

 

[somehiker]

Can't tell from the photo Bill, but any such grouping of rocks in that area would be suspect I think.
Especially if the spot seems to have settled over time.
But in that shot, it looks to be in a shallow wash where rocks do accumulate in piles like that during heavy rains and runoff.
The piles of cholla balls might also indicate the same thing.
I don't mean to cast doubt, but is this up on the flats, or down slope some and toward the creek ?

You mentioned the white spot visible in the 1939 aerial photo I posted.
I was looking at the full-size version last night, and there are several other similar white spots visible in other places.
I now believe they are bright sunlight reflections of something on the ground, metal or very white rock surfaces.
I know when flying even a small object can reflect the sun in such a way as to appear much larger than it really is. And a camera would probably record the same thing. I'm sure Greg could attest to this as well, since when up there, we are always scanning for other air traffic. Such a flash gets your attention, since it could be from another aircraft with a potential for conflict.
A sweep with a metal detector in that spot, which is a shallow wash, might yield some results.

Regards:SH.

 

[Azquester]

Wayne,

Your a good fisherman and I respect your observations, opinions.

If I say "nah it isn't in a wash" you know where to look and if I say "why yes it is" that narrows it down. That bed rock doesn't get broke up just like that from a wash only, at least in that area. If you dig up some pieces under the dump piles in the existing two holes you'll see what I mean.
Check it out sometime you'll get it.

You also know the area is one big Cholla forest and it's not hard to get lost in it especially when crossing the highways and going up that old wagon trail.

With two holes found and this one triangulated and squared finding the third hole was easy once you 8 x pie scratch it and reverse it.

Those numeric's just keep a calling me saying 2=3!

That concentrated abundance of broken bed rock raised in a mound slightly rectangular in shape with a tombstone shaped head slab laying in a dense cholla patch is saying only one thing.

Death by Cholla!

I would like to take someone there but only too see if it's deep or not with long skinny metal rods.

I wouldn't want to disturb a god awful Vampire!

I'm no Grave Robber!

I'd need to bring my flamethrower for needles or Vampires but roasted Cholla I heard isn't to bad and wards off Bats.

Garlic necklace maybe.

Oh, not to get off the subject but, that shot of white was probably the water in the rock hole reflecting sunlight in your photo's.

I just have one question about this grave Wayne.

Are the Black Legion Vampires or are we dealing with Zombie's?

Can't tell from the photo Bill, but any such grouping of rocks in that area would be suspect I think.
Especially if the spot seems to have settled over time.
But in that shot, it looks to be in a shallow wash where rocks do accumulate in piles like that during heavy rains and runoff.
The piles of cholla balls might also indicate the same thing.
I don't mean to cast doubt, but is this up on the flats, or down slope some and toward the creek ?

You mentioned the white spot visible in the 1939 aerial photo I posted.
I was looking at the full-size version last night, and there are several other similar white spots visible in other places.
I now believe they are bright sunlight reflections of something on the ground, metal or very white rock surfaces.
I know when flying even a small object can reflect the sun in such a way as to appear much larger than it really is. And a camera would probably record the same thing. I'm sure Greg could attest to this as well, since when up there, we are always scanning for other air traffic. Such a flash gets your attention, since it could be from another aircraft with a potential for conflict.
A sweep with a metal detector in that spot, which is a shallow wash, might yield some results.

Regards:SH.

 

[Azquester]

This will help in the attempts to date the new 60 bridge Peralta Stone Maps discovery site around the two grave like holes dig sites.

It does have a history of Calvary so I found one of the shells on the ground around the holes and the other large caliber shell in the creek bed bottom Queen Creek respectively.

The other shell is 410 gauge plastic shell but still old.

This site had hunters a long time ago before Travis was there.



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[dog the treasure hunter]

military + holes = foxhole

 

[sgtfda]

Wayne I detected the wash and the only target was a shot gun shell. Bill thin rods will not work in broken rock. I use to use them in Pennsylvania in areas with non rocky soil. Perhaps the spot is a Holy Stone ritual site. At any rate it's not a good idea to go off in the desert or mountains alone. Things happen.

 

[cw0909]

this is the earliest i have found, about the construction of the QCB
and possibly, the stones being unearthed, by construction

am i on the right bridge
an article looking for queen creek bridge bids
STATE HIGHWAY MPT.CALLING TOR BIDS FOR


Bids are also beincr asked for the construction
of sections "E" and "F" of the Florence Superior
Highway, section "E" being a reinforced concrete
bridge 144 feet in length, crossing Queen Creek,
and section "F" being the highway from Queen Creek,
to Superior.
more @
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn96060547/1920-06-05/ed-1/seq-3.pdf

 

[somehiker]

this is the earliest i have found, about the construction of the QCB
and possibly, the stones being unearthed, by construction

am i on the right bridge
an article looking for queen creek bridge bids
STATE HIGHWAY MPT.CALLING TOR BIDS FOR


Bids are also beincr asked for the construction
of sections "E" and "F" of the Florence Superior
Highway, section "E" being a reinforced concrete
bridge 144 feet in length, crossing Queen Creek,
and section "F" being the highway from Queen Creek,
to Superior.
more @
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn96060547/1920-06-05/ed-1/seq-3.pdf

1930 sounds about right. It might have taken 2 or 3 years at least to complete the project, once the bids were accepted.
Both bridge and highway can be seen in the 1938 aerial photo, and the highway in the 1939 road map.
Also on the 1937 Arizona Highway study map.
And the El Camino Viejo bridge was built in 1920.

View attachment 1937 map QC.bmp

 

[RG1976]

Was out doing research on the stone maps today for video 6 - and came across this.

thoughts?



The entrance goes in about 5 feet past the small opening - then you have about a 25 foot shaft down - then a tunnel entrance continues on from the bottom. I didn't make it to the bottom to see where the lower tunnel goes or how long it is.

 

[somehiker]

Not fishin Bill. Too busy doing 6 days a week at work.
By "suspect" I meant "suspect any pile of rocks might be a cache", unless it's down in a wash area where rocks tend to accumulate whenever they come up against a bush, or a larger rock for example. And a wash isn't a good place for a cache, unless it wasn't at the time the stuff was buried.
The bright spot in the photo I posted is west of the "grave sized" holes, and closer to the highway. It's probably gotten deeper and wider since 1938, and whatever was there then, may have washed down the ravine a bit since then.
Picket Post was not very far away, so army brass might be found in the area. Rifles chambered in 45-70 were also developed for sporting use, and I'm sure some of that brass out there was left behind by deer hunters as well.......45-70 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Frank: did you go down a ways ?

Regards:SH.

View attachment aerial 1939 sm.bmp

 

[captain1965]

Was out doing research on the stone maps today for video 6 - and came across this.

thoughts?



The entrance goes in about 5 feet past the small opening - the you have about a 25 foot shaft down - then a tunnel entrance continues on from the bottom. I didn't make it to the bottom to see where the lower tunnel goes or how long it is.

I like hand or foot notches carved into the side of the hole for climbing in and out. You got my curiosity. More more!

 

[RG1976]

Mine too! I'll be going back. Everything in video is always much more strange in person.

When I first saw the scratches on the walls I thought of someone being trapped down there and trying to claw themselves out. That was the end for me - lol.

No clue what this place is - or what's on the other end of the tunnel - or how far the lower tunnel goes.

My buddy Dave said he'd go down there with proper equipment - so we will report back in a few days.

Don't mean to derail my own thread with something completely off topic - but this was too good not to share

 

[somehiker]

Interesting Ryan.
Wonder what came first. The house or the hole ?
Maybe the owners were from Kansas ?

 

[Old]

Interesting definitely. More going on there than just a root cellar.

 

[Las Vegas Bob]

Was out doing research on the stone maps today for video 6 - and came across this.

thoughts?


The entrance goes in about 5 feet past the small opening - then you have about a 25 foot shaft down - then a tunnel entrance continues on from the bottom. I didn't make it to the bottom to see where the lower tunnel goes or how long it is.

Nice discovery Ryan. No signs of a door or anything that might have been covering the hole? Definitely dug by hand as evidenced by all the tool/pick marks on the wall of the tunnel. If you get back in there see if you find any signs of an ore vein. Some one was chasing something there.