Dear oroblanco;
With tremendous respect, my friend, perhaps you need to read my words a bit closer.
I stated:
"There is no hard evidence as yet discovered that the Jesuits ever mined for gold, silver, or precious stones in the New World. There is also no supporting evidence that the Jesuits were illegally administering to any such activities."
To which you replied:
"It seems that perhaps you have not researched the matter of Jesuits and mining activities specifically in Sonora/Pimeria Alta during the colonial period or you would have known that occasionally the reales de minas were administered by Jesuits, and that after 1664 it was illegal for them to do so unless requested by the authorities."
I am a trifle confused by your retort. Which part of my answer did you fail to understand? I feel that I wrote it in a fairly clean and concise manner, and used small words, therefore it should be understood in it's entirety. Also, there were many, many, many regular priests among the Jesuits, just as there is today. There seems to be a great deal of confusion over the inner workings of the Roman Catholic Church and it's various religious Orders in particular. A parish priest is exactly that, he ministers and lives in a parish, be that parish the Vatican, a huge city, a small rural village, a section of land, a monastery, or a mission. In context, it makes no difference where the parish is at or who is running it, to the priest it's a parish.
It's not unusual for a priest from the Fransican Order to be minister in a Jesuit mission, or vice versa. In fact, any combination of priests from the over 200 various Catholic Orders may be found in any of the missions in question. Once a priest assumes his vows, that priest is then in fact a priest in the Roman Catholic Church. Period. It makes absolutely no difference from which order the priest was taught or trained, he is a Roman Catholic priest, nothing else. That the various Orders use initials of their base Order is of no consequence, and this practice has fallen out of general usage in modern times as it no longer has any meaning. Back in the old days, the initials were used as sort of a guide to let everyone know who was where and what they were doing.
Again, it's difficult for me to explain how the Roman Catholic Church operates to someone who is not already familiar with the Church on this or any other forum. For those wishing to understand more fully the Catholic Church I would suggest attending a monastery or other such similiar measures.
As for the treatment of the natives, what can I, or anyone else say? Times were rough back then, my friend. People were killing one another left and right and a little light scrouging with a cat o' nine tails was considered minor punishment back in those days. I attended Catholic schools and the nuns and priests seemed to have had the singular goal of trying mightily to remove the skin from my posterior, or so it seemed at the time. Cruel and unusual punishment? Hardly. I deserved every lash and then some, only I didn't get caught. So the natives got lashed? So what? So did an entire host of others. It was an odd sailor who never tasted the whip from the boatswain or a rattan cane across the shoulders from the quartermaster. These were not natives, these were Europeans and they were being flogged and whipped with abandon, and I don't hear anyone screeching out about injustices for THEM. It was simply the times, nothing more and nothing less. Until you are able to wrap your brain around this fact, then yes, everything the Jesuits did could be construed as cruel. But it wasn't the Jesuits who were cruel, it was the world surrounding them that was cruel. The Jesuits were actually pretty lax in their collective treatment of the natives, much to the chagrin of the neighboring settlers. This is not just a supposition, this is an historical fact.
Your friend;
LAMAR