Oroblanco
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Seems I missed a great deal of discussion here, and there is too much to address in a single post. I will try to be brief.
For a Templar treasure in the Superstitions theory to work, a great deal of evidence is going to be necessary to prove it up. Were the Templars even aware that the Americas existed, a huge stumbling block of a question?
If we look at the time-line, we see that most of Europe was indeed un-aware of the Americas. The Templars did have contact with the Pope in Rome, and the Pope had received tithes from a relatively secret land known to the Vikings as "Vinland". Add in the fact that the last resorts of the Templars were in north Scotland and the islands north of the British isles, areas also well in contact with the Norse, and it is possible that the Templars did learn of the location of Vinland. This would tend to support the theory of Templars under Henry Sinclair visiting Nova Scotia and burying something in Oak Island, far from the crowned heads of Europe and relatively safe from them.
A knowledge that there were lands on the other side of the Atlantic does not equate with intimate knowledge of what is today southern Arizona. Intimate knowledge would have been required in order to know of such a secret place in the Superstitions, and it seems unlikely that the Templars, even knowing the Americas existed, even if they made a single visit to the continent, had enough knowledge of the geography to be able to utilize southern Arizona as the final hiding place for...some kind of great treasure.
The fact that European explorers encountered Amerindians with copper bells, copper tools, or copper weapons is no proof of any prior contact with Templars or any other Old World culture - for many Amerindian cultures were mining and using copper, even smelting it. So a report of seeing Amerindians with copper bells only proves that they had copper, not that they had a historic encounter with Templars or anyone else.
The stones found under the Temple Mount were inscribed in ancient Hebrew, which is very similar to ancient Phoenician and Punic. Virtually all of the known Templar stone inscriptions are written in Latin, not Hebrew nor any other Semitic alphabet or language. BB has identified the "priest/witch" on the so-called Peralta stones as a Templar priest, which does not work for me - of the stone inscriptions and statues left by the Templars that I have seen, none resemble the "priest" on the Peralta stones.
I do wish you luck in your quest, but would suggest that you follow your own advice friend Blindbowman - you mentioned that you remove all labels - well remove the labels you are using in the trail you are following out, and put all the pieces together first BEFORE you conclude that it had to be the Templars, or the Jesuits, or Franciscans, or Spaniards, or Peraltas, or Aztecs, or French, or of any other source until all the evidence is in and examined. Perhaps it will prove to be the Templars, or perhaps it will prove to be something NO ONE has yet even thought of! It might be helpful to compare evidence with other examples like Templars or Aztecs etc but until you have ALL of the pieces in hand, it is not helpful to try to make a theory fit with the evidence.
Good luck and good hunting to you, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
Roy ~ Oroblanco
For a Templar treasure in the Superstitions theory to work, a great deal of evidence is going to be necessary to prove it up. Were the Templars even aware that the Americas existed, a huge stumbling block of a question?
If we look at the time-line, we see that most of Europe was indeed un-aware of the Americas. The Templars did have contact with the Pope in Rome, and the Pope had received tithes from a relatively secret land known to the Vikings as "Vinland". Add in the fact that the last resorts of the Templars were in north Scotland and the islands north of the British isles, areas also well in contact with the Norse, and it is possible that the Templars did learn of the location of Vinland. This would tend to support the theory of Templars under Henry Sinclair visiting Nova Scotia and burying something in Oak Island, far from the crowned heads of Europe and relatively safe from them.
A knowledge that there were lands on the other side of the Atlantic does not equate with intimate knowledge of what is today southern Arizona. Intimate knowledge would have been required in order to know of such a secret place in the Superstitions, and it seems unlikely that the Templars, even knowing the Americas existed, even if they made a single visit to the continent, had enough knowledge of the geography to be able to utilize southern Arizona as the final hiding place for...some kind of great treasure.
The fact that European explorers encountered Amerindians with copper bells, copper tools, or copper weapons is no proof of any prior contact with Templars or any other Old World culture - for many Amerindian cultures were mining and using copper, even smelting it. So a report of seeing Amerindians with copper bells only proves that they had copper, not that they had a historic encounter with Templars or anyone else.
The stones found under the Temple Mount were inscribed in ancient Hebrew, which is very similar to ancient Phoenician and Punic. Virtually all of the known Templar stone inscriptions are written in Latin, not Hebrew nor any other Semitic alphabet or language. BB has identified the "priest/witch" on the so-called Peralta stones as a Templar priest, which does not work for me - of the stone inscriptions and statues left by the Templars that I have seen, none resemble the "priest" on the Peralta stones.
I do wish you luck in your quest, but would suggest that you follow your own advice friend Blindbowman - you mentioned that you remove all labels - well remove the labels you are using in the trail you are following out, and put all the pieces together first BEFORE you conclude that it had to be the Templars, or the Jesuits, or Franciscans, or Spaniards, or Peraltas, or Aztecs, or French, or of any other source until all the evidence is in and examined. Perhaps it will prove to be the Templars, or perhaps it will prove to be something NO ONE has yet even thought of! It might be helpful to compare evidence with other examples like Templars or Aztecs etc but until you have ALL of the pieces in hand, it is not helpful to try to make a theory fit with the evidence.
Good luck and good hunting to you, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
Roy ~ Oroblanco
All that's needed to complete the picture, is a jesters cap.
