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While not wishing to offend anyone...I would like to ask the question.....are we here to "solve puzzles" or "puzzle solvers"? I noticed some of us are choosing sides and sticking people over definitions and spelling of words. I do not claim to be an expert in any language. As far as hoyo or hoya they would appear to mean almost the same thing. The first is a noun, the second is a feminine noun. (I think) A hole, pit, excavation, a burial, a grave, or an inequality or uneven surface. ( like a pot-hole in the road)
Neither spelling would appear to represent a hole through a rock.
If we are talking about a "sight hole" through a rock like a telescope, with a view to set one's sight on something, the sight of a gun, or a point of mathematical instrument to direct the sight (as a noun), then I would guess the correct word would be MIRA. When used as a verb it then means to look through or to be directed with regard to any object. IMHO
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Neither spelling would appear to represent a hole through a rock.
If we are talking about a "sight hole" through a rock like a telescope, with a view to set one's sight on something, the sight of a gun, or a point of mathematical instrument to direct the sight (as a noun), then I would guess the correct word would be MIRA. When used as a verb it then means to look through or to be directed with regard to any object. IMHO
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It would be logical for the six month charts to come very close to overlapping spring/fall.
this is super info Jim, and would serve us all well to have it.
Thanks.
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Oddrock - Hope your week is productive. I'm shure it will be fun. Olddog - I plan to test that chart out this winter. The first time the sign shows is good hiking and usually good weather. The second trip, hope the snow isn't to deep.
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Cheez, Odd, you come up with some "doosies". Are those initials the artist's signature for the sculptured monkey face? And why would he put a helmet on a monkey? (or chimp) 
Thanks a lot duuuuuuuuuuuuuude.
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3 months later...about that pic you posted in July....
As the seasons change seems like life is slowing down a bit. I noticed on this pic an owl (circled) and a small shadow heart (in square)
Given the size..I would speculate close rather than far. Additionally.. the king and queen do not look too happy. In fact I would say there are a lot of unhappy things on that rock. Turmoil at the very least. That's my own idea.
The arrows. .i know it does not look like a lamb but somehow it reminds me of a lamb. Something about it, curve of rock.,.something.
Maybe a different angle or shadow might make it look more like a lamb. Maybe even a agnus dei.
The one arrow points left..mainly because of the figures inside or part of the owl. All speculation mind you...
As the seasons change seems like life is slowing down a bit. I noticed on this pic an owl (circled) and a small shadow heart (in square)
Given the size..I would speculate close rather than far. Additionally.. the king and queen do not look too happy. In fact I would say there are a lot of unhappy things on that rock. Turmoil at the very least. That's my own idea.
The arrows. .i know it does not look like a lamb but somehow it reminds me of a lamb. Something about it, curve of rock.,.something.
Maybe a different angle or shadow might make it look more like a lamb. Maybe even a agnus dei.
The one arrow points left..mainly because of the figures inside or part of the owl. All speculation mind you...
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I managed to turn my week in the field into two weeks in the field. Wahoo! Made it back muscle sore and bone tired and still wanted to stay for some more. Makes me feel like a kid again. Could I have drank from the "fountain of youth"?......I guess not, since I am at home again I feel old, tired etc. Gotta catch up on the threads here, view my new pics etc.
DM, thanks for your observations. Give me a little time to respond to your PM. (got to catch up on work....hate that four letter word!)
SS, I believe what you see, Rangler would call The Distraction.(do not remember how to spell "paradorrial" thingy and too tire to look it up.) Look instead see if you can find the "backwards 7, with arrowhead pointer on the end, water bowl on top for mirror/reverse/change direction. Also an over-night hidey-hole with the rock left out and hole empty.
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DM, thanks for your observations. Give me a little time to respond to your PM. (got to catch up on work....hate that four letter word!)
SS, I believe what you see, Rangler would call The Distraction.(do not remember how to spell "paradorrial" thingy and too tire to look it up.) Look instead see if you can find the "backwards 7, with arrowhead pointer on the end, water bowl on top for mirror/reverse/change direction. Also an over-night hidey-hole with the rock left out and hole empty.
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I didn't go into too much detail in my first post. Mainly, I was pulling your chain............just a little. LOL
Your backwards "7" with it's water bowl is the monkey's helmet. And, I believe that open hole MIGHT be a false "find". I studied that monkey rock and now think that if you remove that "lock stone" that I tagged, the monkey rock can be tilted forward so you can see behind it. But, the pointed end of the "7" is pointing at the larger rock just to the right of the small lock rock. If you look at the shape of the monkey rock, you can see that the back is shaped to fit flush to the face of the bank. It's bottom is shaped in a ramp fashion to allow the whole thing to tilt forward on it's bottom, rear edge. The bottom rear edge is a hinge point and is resting on a small diameter elongated stone.
That large odd shaped rock on the ledge above the monkey rock has a shape that more closely fits the shape of that hidy hole opening. Be careful here. That rock could fall on you and break something inportant. LOL It sure looks to be sitting kinda precariously on that ledge. That stretched out heart shaped rock is not the cover for the hole. It was placed there...................MAYBE to point to the monkey stone as the TRUE hidy hole... You'll notice that the heart is TOUCHING the monkey stone.
I've also tagged 2 different owls. With all respect to rangler, I don't believe all faint shapes and figures to be natural and made to take shapes by our minds. I mark only those that I fully believe to be man made. WHY they would be in a place , I don't really know. Perhaps they were already there or were put there later, but there are too many shapes seen in peoples' photos that are not natural and I'll tag them for consideration. They may or may NOT have anything to do with the trail being followed, but that will have to be determined by the Searcher. I've aggravated at least ONE person and probably more by marking and tagging everything I see in a pic. But, as stated, I tag only those figures I fully believe to be there. Often, I'll mark something and tag it as a "possible" this, that, or the other. But, normally, if I'm not sure of something I won't tag or mark it. And, I haven't even mention the markings on that tree. THEY, may have nothing to do with this trail.
I didn't go into too much detail in my first post. Mainly, I was pulling your chain............just a little. LOL
Your backwards "7" with it's water bowl is the monkey's helmet. And, I believe that open hole MIGHT be a false "find". I studied that monkey rock and now think that if you remove that "lock stone" that I tagged, the monkey rock can be tilted forward so you can see behind it. But, the pointed end of the "7" is pointing at the larger rock just to the right of the small lock rock. If you look at the shape of the monkey rock, you can see that the back is shaped to fit flush to the face of the bank. It's bottom is shaped in a ramp fashion to allow the whole thing to tilt forward on it's bottom, rear edge. The bottom rear edge is a hinge point and is resting on a small diameter elongated stone.
That large odd shaped rock on the ledge above the monkey rock has a shape that more closely fits the shape of that hidy hole opening. Be careful here. That rock could fall on you and break something inportant. LOL It sure looks to be sitting kinda precariously on that ledge. That stretched out heart shaped rock is not the cover for the hole. It was placed there...................MAYBE to point to the monkey stone as the TRUE hidy hole...
You'll notice that the heart is TOUCHING the monkey stone.I've also tagged 2 different owls. With all respect to rangler, I don't believe all faint shapes and figures to be natural and made to take shapes by our minds. I mark only those that I fully believe to be man made. WHY they would be in a place , I don't really know. Perhaps they were already there or were put there later, but there are too many shapes seen in peoples' photos that are not natural and I'll tag them for consideration. They may or may NOT have anything to do with the trail being followed, but that will have to be determined by the Searcher. I've aggravated at least ONE person and probably more by marking and tagging everything I see in a pic. But, as stated, I tag only those figures I fully believe to be there. Often, I'll mark something and tag it as a "possible" this, that, or the other. But, normally, if I'm not sure of something I won't tag or mark it. And, I haven't even mention the markings on that tree. THEY, may have nothing to do with this trail.
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Shortstack,
It could be that the two small hidey holes are small over night depositories. The top one you can shove back with some effort. The lower one will rotate and fill the opening if you lift the bottom of your "heart". It could be an effort to make one believe "no money left". The "lock rock" I consider a desperation move that I will not attempt as I believe it to be too important of a marker to MONKEY with. ( pun intended?)
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It could be that the two small hidey holes are small over night depositories. The top one you can shove back with some effort. The lower one will rotate and fill the opening if you lift the bottom of your "heart". It could be an effort to make one believe "no money left". The "lock rock" I consider a desperation move that I will not attempt as I believe it to be too important of a marker to MONKEY with. ( pun intended?)
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Oddrock,
wow, love the dialog,
you commented...( oh and no one is offended by honest questions about understanding or trying to understand the very complex nature of these codes)
As far as hoyo or hoya they would appear to mean almost the same thing. The first is a noun, the second is a feminine noun. (I think) A hole, pit, excavation, a burial, a grave, or an inequality or uneven surface. ( like a pot-hole in the road)
Neither spelling would appear to represent a hole through a rock.
I am not trying to toot my own horn here, however is was yours truly that introduced both of those words in to this forum.
Hoyo..is Spanish for Hole. It is used as the ultimate confirmation mark. If you have a hoyo you need no other piece of data to absolutely be satisfied that you have an Alpha Monument. Without the hoyo you need more stringent accumulation of glyphs or marks to confirm the same.
Hoya, was introduced here last year when I was working on a very layed set of Alphas, my first time finding several Alphas in the same localized area....each Alpha used different times of the day-to reveal their shadow signs...to keep the monuments from being forever entangled, the second alpha was near a water course, and the mountain came right down to the riververy near the flood plain, no way to make a hoyo that would not be pushed downriver during the 100 and 200 year floods. So they used a Hoya cut into bedrock.,.which means depression in the rock. Like a dish or bowl...or as you so astutely stated "a pothole" lol
The alpha hoyo was not necessarily used to 'look' thru, some are but the normal use is the OUTLINE of the hoyo....it contains data.
The ground hoyo, also coined last year, are at the Omega monument...this one IS sometimes designed to look thru. But again it was confirmation of Omega site. (see the Mushroom ground hoyo at the beginning of my signs 101 thread. Thus the confusion of this sign by some.
The word is Pareidolia.. the random geoglyphs of mother nature that form familiar lines, shapes and appearances of things we recognize . Realize that the codemakers KNEW of this concept! That should make you understand why confirmation is the mantra that you hear me repeat , until I know some of tired of hearing it...but how else can I save you from making some huge wastes of time?
About the backward 7, sometimes that is used just to conceal the sign from unauthorized eyes..notice the small heart pointer, that is used to show the direction. This has the earmarks of a campsite on the trail to the Omega or the Mine, because of the cavities* and the heart sign.. Usually the heart sign is not used as a trail marker..it is a treasure sign. This 7 is probably means a campsite very near this overnight stash spot...
* these cavities are way to small to hold much more than some personal effects? It looks more like a minature mock up of an omega monument..the heart rock is too small to be used as a real sign..it could easily be kick out of place by animals or people..or even a small flood of water.
Without seeing cavity completely from this angle it 'could' be a hoya shaped like a diamond or a mushroom. So keep that in mind the next time you go to the site.
I hope this clears up the hoyo, hoya thingie..!
rangler
ps with some exceptions the only rocks you flip over are the buried or half buried ones that you have been directed to.....and most of these maps are carved right on top....that is how disguised they are...You can kill a site if you move the wrong rock!
wow, love the dialog,
you commented...( oh and no one is offended by honest questions about understanding or trying to understand the very complex nature of these codes)
As far as hoyo or hoya they would appear to mean almost the same thing. The first is a noun, the second is a feminine noun. (I think) A hole, pit, excavation, a burial, a grave, or an inequality or uneven surface. ( like a pot-hole in the road)
Neither spelling would appear to represent a hole through a rock.
I am not trying to toot my own horn here, however is was yours truly that introduced both of those words in to this forum.
Hoyo..is Spanish for Hole. It is used as the ultimate confirmation mark. If you have a hoyo you need no other piece of data to absolutely be satisfied that you have an Alpha Monument. Without the hoyo you need more stringent accumulation of glyphs or marks to confirm the same.
Hoya, was introduced here last year when I was working on a very layed set of Alphas, my first time finding several Alphas in the same localized area....each Alpha used different times of the day-to reveal their shadow signs...to keep the monuments from being forever entangled, the second alpha was near a water course, and the mountain came right down to the riververy near the flood plain, no way to make a hoyo that would not be pushed downriver during the 100 and 200 year floods. So they used a Hoya cut into bedrock.,.which means depression in the rock. Like a dish or bowl...or as you so astutely stated "a pothole" lol
The alpha hoyo was not necessarily used to 'look' thru, some are but the normal use is the OUTLINE of the hoyo....it contains data.
The ground hoyo, also coined last year, are at the Omega monument...this one IS sometimes designed to look thru. But again it was confirmation of Omega site. (see the Mushroom ground hoyo at the beginning of my signs 101 thread. Thus the confusion of this sign by some.
The word is Pareidolia.. the random geoglyphs of mother nature that form familiar lines, shapes and appearances of things we recognize . Realize that the codemakers KNEW of this concept! That should make you understand why confirmation is the mantra that you hear me repeat , until I know some of tired of hearing it...but how else can I save you from making some huge wastes of time?
About the backward 7, sometimes that is used just to conceal the sign from unauthorized eyes..notice the small heart pointer, that is used to show the direction. This has the earmarks of a campsite on the trail to the Omega or the Mine, because of the cavities* and the heart sign.. Usually the heart sign is not used as a trail marker..it is a treasure sign. This 7 is probably means a campsite very near this overnight stash spot...
* these cavities are way to small to hold much more than some personal effects? It looks more like a minature mock up of an omega monument..the heart rock is too small to be used as a real sign..it could easily be kick out of place by animals or people..or even a small flood of water.
Without seeing cavity completely from this angle it 'could' be a hoya shaped like a diamond or a mushroom. So keep that in mind the next time you go to the site.
I hope this clears up the hoyo, hoya thingie..!
rangler
ps with some exceptions the only rocks you flip over are the buried or half buried ones that you have been directed to.....and most of these maps are carved right on top....that is how disguised they are...You can kill a site if you move the wrong rock!
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Dunno howto quote here correctly BUT I Am lil confused..Rangler
So they used a Hoya cut into bedrock.,.which means depression in the rock. Like a dish or bowl...or as you so astutely stated "a pothole" lol..
Now trouble part...
got HOYO down OK....
In My neck of the Woods a HOYA is as common as water so to Speak.
in 2 miles of bedrock here there would be Over 800 hoya's.( some could be classed as drill holes) due to water wear.
ranging in size from Under a penny dia to near school Bus size ranging in depth from same as above.
I realize they did not create the Hoya's prob not much over size of a basket ball But that still puts well over 200 to attempt to identify as having a confirmation mark or some Clue for me to Pay ATT to?
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So they used a Hoya cut into bedrock.,.which means depression in the rock. Like a dish or bowl...or as you so astutely stated "a pothole" lol..
Now trouble part...
got HOYO down OK....
In My neck of the Woods a HOYA is as common as water so to Speak.
in 2 miles of bedrock here there would be Over 800 hoya's.( some could be classed as drill holes) due to water wear.
ranging in size from Under a penny dia to near school Bus size ranging in depth from same as above.
I realize they did not create the Hoya's prob not much over size of a basket ball But that still puts well over 200 to attempt to identify as having a confirmation mark or some Clue for me to Pay ATT to?
PM requested plz
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guru,
I thought is was implied, but I will state it here for everyone..
you have to confirm the hoya was well...
that means the hoya has to have an intelligent SHAPE, the one i cited was
in the shape of an owl..confirmed immediately!..so those
800 hoyas were just water worn potholes hehe
rangler
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I thought is was implied, but I will state it here for everyone..
you have to confirm the hoya was well...
that means the hoya has to have an intelligent SHAPE, the one i cited was
in the shape of an owl..confirmed immediately!..so those
800 hoyas were just water worn potholes hehe
rangler
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Rangler,
Thanks once again for adding valuable info for everyone's use. The "heart shaped" rock is bigger than what you think. It weighs several hundred pounds and is above the flood plain (100 yr. plus) I agree that these are small stashes (compared to what we dream about finding...and could be decoys or just left open for the next group coming through) but then
??
Oddrock
Thanks once again for adding valuable info for everyone's use. The "heart shaped" rock is bigger than what you think. It weighs several hundred pounds and is above the flood plain (100 yr. plus) I agree that these are small stashes (compared to what we dream about finding...and could be decoys or just left open for the next group coming through) but then
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Hmm... so they used Monkey's wearing helmets as treasure markers? I would check for a profile of Charlton Heston or the Statue of Liberty as your next clue... 
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Thank you so much K32...I do think CH is/was above average as a person. The Statue of Liberty may have a lot more s/s than you will ever realize. Keep posting and have your fun .Kiros32 said:Hmm... so they used Monkey's wearing helmets as treasure markers? I would check for a profile of Charlton Heston or the Statue of Liberty as your next clue...
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oddrock said:Thank you so much K32...I do think CH is/was above average as a person. The Statue of Liberty may have a lot more s/s than you will ever realize. Keep posting and have your fun .Kiros32 said:Hmm... so they used Monkey's wearing helmets as treasure markers? I would check for a profile of Charlton Heston or the Statue of Liberty as your next clue...
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Oddrock,
You know that when someone has nothing intelligent to contribute to a discussion, sometimes they try their hand at comedy. As you can see, even THAT is out of somefolks' realm.
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My attempts at humor often crash. It's only when someone continues in a seeming effort to disrupt a thread that it bothers me. To those who haven't been privileged to see these things we might sound crazzee . Jim
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Kiros32 said:Hmm... so they used Monkey's wearing helmets as treasure markers? I would check for a profile of Charlton Heston or the Statue of Liberty as your next clue...
Never expect a straight answer from this bunch.
Warrior monkeys in Indian legends are not uncommon, and often wear hats or helmets. Treasure related? probably not. Ancient? most likely.
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Shortstack said:oddrock said:Thank you so much K32...I do think CH is/was above average as a person. The Statue of Liberty may have a lot more s/s than you will ever realize. Keep posting and have your fun .Kiros32 said:Hmm... so they used Monkey's wearing helmets as treasure markers? I would check for a profile of Charlton Heston or the Statue of Liberty as your next clue...
Oddrock
Oddrock,
You know that when someone has nothing intelligent to contribute to a discussion, sometimes they try their hand at comedy. As you can see, even THAT is out of somefolks' realm.
Ohh come on Stack, it's been over a year probably since I have posted in one of these threads, just having some fun. At least explain to the group of observers that don't participate in these type of hunts...what a monkey wearing a helmet could possibly mean? I am genuinely curious actually.
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