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what does the word willy stand for in the pic in this thread?

 

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[mdog]

what does the word willy stand for in the pic in this thread?

I think it's just somebody's name but I haven't researched it. There are hundreds of names carved in this bluff.

 

[mdog]

I like that kanabite, i have to say my 3 years of doing this part time,agrees with that. I just look at some of the patina on this stuff,and it sure looks like it matches with the non worked stuff. And i think these people made offerings right at these Gods monuments, and later treasure hunters came along and scooped them right up. And cached what they couldn't take.And the same cycle went on thru time, it just kept getting more complex. Now its our turn.

I agree with you, Dog. We've posted about that kind of stuff before and it makes sense to me. I was always hoping you would find some type of ancient Old World artifact at one of your sites.

 

[mdog]

The map pieces are 2"x 3" x 1/4" thick lead, that is a small target even with a marker close by. They were pretty exact in their measurement. In the late 1800's the O.A.K. relocated objects left buried and placed new copper strips with other heading and distances on them over the lead pieces. I believe that they will lead us to O.A.K. caches that were added to an already existing K.G.C. trail. Only time will tell....and some $. As the coded letter they recovered says, if you read each line I have written you will find it is true. I believe this is a reference to use true measurement as well as being sarcastic. In our case the bird symbol was also used in a humorous way.....like a riddle. At the same time there are military grade cryptography dodges used in the code. We have a code, but we also have symbolism and to understand the code is easy when you have the key, but you still have to be able to understand and read the symbolism. So far that has lead to one cache out of 10 and it was not found like the ones who left it meant for it to be recovered. I believe the rest of them on this treasure trail still lay in the ground awaiting discovery!

Those pieces are pretty small. Is there any way the copper strips would have made it easier to find the lead crosses with some type of early 20th century instrument?

 

[dog the treasure hunter]

I agree with you, Dog. We've posted about that kind of stuff before and it makes sense to me. I was always hoping you would find some type of ancient Old World artifact at one of your sites.

I think it will happen mdog, If i ever get lucky enough or brave enough to go underground in a ancient site that hasnt been opened in a long long time. Oh i believe it out here for sure, but finding it, to prove it is something else. But i also think the Ancient stuff is much simpler,its right there.The opening is at the red X,its right there,where they are saying its at.View attachment 1262958

 

[mdog]

Over the past couple of years, Steve and I have exchanged a few messages about the Kensington Runestone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kensington_Runestone

Since it was found, there have been people who have said that the carvings on the stone were a hoax and there have been others who say the stone is genuine and was carved by Norse explorers in 1362. I was more interested in the placement of the stone, why was it put where it was? At first I thought it was a random placement carved at the scene and left where it was carved. But after spending a lot of time researching the area and looking for any important Indian trails, I decided to check out the latitude of the site where the stone was found and see if anything jumped out at me. Scott Wolter has written a couple books about the stone and one of them showed the site where the stone was found. The latitude of the recovery site is 45 deg 48' 38" and the longitude is 95 deg 39' 38". Get on google earth and mark the stone's latitude on the east border of Maine and the west border of Washington state. Remember the number 1362 at the end of the runes. Run a line from the Kensington site to the west latitude of the runestone, it should be about 1360 miles. Now run a line to the east latitude of the runestone, it should be about 1339 miles. But, the old border of Maine was further east from the present boundary. I've not had any luck finding the longitude of the old boundary but from looking at a couple of old maps, the longitude seems to be around 67 deg 17' 53". That would make the miles from the Kensington stone a lot closer to 1362, almost exact.

Some people think the stone was some type of boundary marker and I believe it was.

Sdcfia posted a link in another thread about a similar idea The author of that article also thought the 1362 represented miles but he believes the starting point was Inspiration Peak, about 20 miles north of the runestone site.

The Kensington Runestone - Mystery Solved

 

[dog the treasure hunter]

mdog, have you seen some of the stone carvings that the people from Iran have been posting? The same stuff of that Era. i have been finding here. One world, One language at One time?

 

[dog the treasure hunter]

I really enjoyed this video that Steve posted. The same signs found all over the World.

 

[dog the treasure hunter]

Well, I guess you'd say that a code is just a system of private communication. The system could use any number of strategies, based on your preference. After all, one man's Isis is another man's Sophia or another man's Mary. As far as the religious practices are concerned, as Solomon said, "The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no thing new under the sun". This is a quote that everyone knows, but few people understand, IMO. Of course, as always, I could be wrong.

Iam a bit narrow between the ears sdcfia, does the King Solomon saying break down as, WE were a one world people, with one heavenly god, one understanding? Now are we are headed to the New World Order. But the only thing is, instead of the universe speaking to us, Its OZ?

 

[dog the treasure hunter]

I guess what iam saying is we have gotten more complex over Time, from language, to religion, to the world, we where the new world,to colonies,to states, now Texas wanting,thinking to break away from the US. And now back to one world? How will it all shake out? And i think thats how it works with the treasure signs, It goes from simple at the older times, to the complex with modern times?View attachment 1262979View attachment 1262980View attachment 1262981View attachment 1262982

 

[mdog]

mdog, have you seen some of the stone carvings that the people from Iran have been posting? The same stuff of that Era. i have been finding here. One world, One language at One time?

Hey Dog, I read a book called Sailing to Paradise and the author had a theory that the first multinational trading organizations existed in the ancient world and they travelled wherever they could, looking for anything that had some value. He believed that certain designs were used by these multinationals to mark territories and trade routes. I'll check the book out and post the symbols this week.

 

[kanabite]

Over the past couple of years, Steve and I have exchanged a few messages about the Kensington Runestone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kensington_Runestone

Since it was found, there have been people who have said that the carvings on the stone were a hoax and there have been others who say the stone is genuine and was carved by Norse explorers in 1362. I was more interested in the placement of the stone, why was it put where it was? At first I thought it was a random placement carved at the scene and left where it was carved. But after spending a lot of time researching the area and looking for any important Indian trails, I decided to check out the latitude of the site where the stone was found and see if anything jumped out at me. Scott Wolter has written a couple books about the stone and one of them showed the site where the stone was found. The latitude of the recovery site is 45 deg 48' 38" and the longitude is 95 deg 39' 38". Get on google earth and mark the stone's latitude on the east border of Maine and the west border of Washington state. Remember the number 1362 at the end of the runes. Run a line from the Kensington site to the west latitude of the runestone, it should be about 1360 miles. Now run a line to the east latitude of the runestone, it should be about 1339 miles. But, the old border of Maine was further east from the present boundary. I've not had any luck finding the longitude of the old boundary but from looking at a couple of old maps, the longitude seems to be around 67 deg 17' 53". That would make the miles from the Kensington stone a lot closer to 1362, almost exact.

Some people think the stone was some type of boundary marker and I believe it was.

Sdcfia posted a link in another thread about a similar idea The author of that article also thought the 1362 represented miles but he believes the starting point was Inspiration Peak, about 20 miles north of the runestone site.

The Kensington Runestone - Mystery Solved

I'm gonna need a couple days ,without my day job weighing on my mind , to soak this up .
I can see the need to abandon the tablet ,and maybe hook up the laptop to the big screen.lol
Very interesting!

 

[mdog]

In my research, I have looked for evidence that ancient navigators used the latitudes of important places in the Old World to find their way around in the New World. Here's an example. Most people have heard of Ponce de Leon of Fountain of Youth fame, but few have heard of Pedro Menendez de Aviles. Here are a couple of links about these two explorers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Ponce_de_León

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Menéndez_de_Avilés

What they have in common is they both explored or settled in the same area of the Florida coast, the area around St. Augustine. Was this a coincidence or was there something that brought them to that area? The latitude of the Pyramid of Khafre in Egypt is 29 deg 57' 33" and the latitude of Castillo de San Marcos, in St. Augustine is 29 deg 53' 52". There's a difference of 5.5 miles. Could they have gone to that area to begin their exploration because that place was associated with a well known monument in Egypt? Don't know. BTW, Aviles was a real interesting person.

 

[sdcfia]

Over the past couple of years, Steve and I have exchanged a few messages about the Kensington Runestone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kensington_Runestone

Since it was found, there have been people who have said that the carvings on the stone were a hoax and there have been others who say the stone is genuine and was carved by Norse explorers in 1362. I was more interested in the placement of the stone, why was it put where it was? At first I thought it was a random placement carved at the scene and left where it was carved. But after spending a lot of time researching the area and looking for any important Indian trails, I decided to check out the latitude of the site where the stone was found and see if anything jumped out at me. Scott Wolter has written a couple books about the stone and one of them showed the site where the stone was found. The latitude of the recovery site is 45 deg 48' 38" and the longitude is 95 deg 39' 38". Get on google earth and mark the stone's latitude on the east border of Maine and the west border of Washington state. Remember the number 1362 at the end of the runes. Run a line from the Kensington site to the west latitude of the runestone, it should be about 1360 miles. Now run a line to the east latitude of the runestone, it should be about 1339 miles. But, the old border of Maine was further east from the present boundary. I've not had any luck finding the longitude of the old boundary but from looking at a couple of old maps, the longitude seems to be around 67 deg 17' 53". That would make the miles from the Kensington stone a lot closer to 1362, almost exact.

Some people think the stone was some type of boundary marker and I believe it was.

Sdcfia posted a link in another thread about a similar idea The author of that article also thought the 1362 represented miles but he believes the starting point was Inspiration Peak, about 20 miles north of the runestone site.

The Kensington Runestone - Mystery Solved

mdog, I located the original disputed east boundary as shown below. At 45º48'39"N, the boundary intersection is at 67º18'0"W. It's hard to be exact on the old boundary because accurate old maps are missing. The best I could do was guess on the longitude based on the meridian crossing the St John River, per the map I got from an online report (admittedly not precise). In any case, at the KRS latitude (45º48'39"N), the eastern US boundary is 1362 miles from the KRS discovery point - quite a coincidence.

 

[sdcfia]

Iam a bit narrow between the ears sdcfia, does the King Solomon saying break down as, WE were a one world people, with one heavenly god, one understanding? Now are we are headed to the New World Order. But the only thing is, instead of the universe speaking to us, Its OZ?

I guess for humans, no matter how you slice it or dice it, the original source is the same for everyone. Also, you might speculate that great civilizations may have risen and fallen in the past that we have no knowledge of today. Your guess is as good as anyone's.

 

[sdcfia]

I guess what iam saying is we have gotten more complex over Time, from language, to religion, to the world, we where the new world,to colonies,to states, now Texas wanting,thinking to break away from the US. And now back to one world? How will it all shake out? And i think thats how it works with the treasure signs, It goes from simple at the older times, to the complex with modern times?

dog, I think it's a huge mistake to say we're more complex today that people were in days gone by. Sure, we have smart phones today, but people's human nature and intelligence don't change, IMO. There's still 360º in a circle and lots of ways of using it, then and now.

 

[sdcfia]

In my research, I have looked for evidence that ancient navigators used the latitudes of important places in the Old World to find their way around in the New World. Here's an example. Most people have heard of Ponce de Leon of Fountain of Youth fame, but few have heard of Pedro Menendez de Aviles. Here are a couple of links about these two explorers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Ponce_de_León

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Menéndez_de_Avilés

What they have in common is they both explored or settled in the same area of the Florida coast, the area around St. Augustine. Was this a coincidence or was there something that brought them to that area? The latitude of the Pyramid of Khafre in Egypt is 29 deg 57' 33" and the latitude of Castillo de San Marcos, in St. Augustine is 29 deg 53' 52". There's a difference of 5.5 miles. Could they have gone to that area to begin their exploration because that place was associated with a well known monument in Egypt? Don't know. BTW, Aviles was a real interesting person.

That's a very good observation, mdog. The old mariners and explorers often sailed or marched simply be following a latitude (straight east or west) until they arrived somewhere important. They also tried to keep track of their mileage by various methods, which was tricky, but enabled them to draw up maps - some good, some not so good. That may be why following latitudes often connects you to older sites, one after another, at sea and on land. For example, a number of treasure legends in the SW (some well-known, others not so much) seem to lay on or close to the 33ºN latitude - a good way to keep track of your caches, at least on a north/south grid. You find 33ºN and then move east/west until you locate the correct landmark, mountain, etc. Longitude was always a problem for the old timers. A question I've been looking into lately is how the ancients were able to determine longitude accurately - if they were, that is.

 

[mdog]

Over the past couple of years, Steve and I have exchanged a few messages about the Kensington Runestone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kensington_Runestone

Since it was found, there have been people who have said that the carvings on the stone were a hoax and there have been others who say the stone is genuine and was carved by Norse explorers in 1362. I was more interested in the placement of the stone, why was it put where it was? At first I thought it was a random placement carved at the scene and left where it was carved. But after spending a lot of time researching the area and looking for any important Indian trails, I decided to check out the latitude of the site where the stone was found and see if anything jumped out at me. Scott Wolter has written a couple books about the stone and one of them showed the site where the stone was found. The latitude of the recovery site is 45 deg 48' 38" and the longitude is 95 deg 39' 38". Get on google earth and mark the stone's latitude on the east border of Maine and the west border of Washington state. Remember the number 1362 at the end of the runes. Run a line from the Kensington site to the west latitude of the runestone, it should be about 1360 miles. Now run a line to the east latitude of the runestone, it should be about 1339 miles. But, the old border of Maine was further east from the present boundary. I've not had any luck finding the longitude of the old boundary but from looking at a couple of old maps, the longitude seems to be around 67 deg 17' 53". That would make the miles from the Kensington stone a lot closer to 1362, almost exact.

Some people think the stone was some type of boundary marker and I believe it was.

Sdcfia posted a link in another thread about a similar idea The author of that article also thought the 1362 represented miles but he believes the starting point was Inspiration Peak, about 20 miles north of the runestone site.

The Kensington Runestone - Mystery Solved

After I noticed this stuff, I decided to see if there was anything similar in the southern part of the country. In my post #133 I wrote about St. Augustine and how it was close to the same latitude, on the Florida coast as the Pyramid of Khafre in Egypt, 29 deg 58' 33". I decided to follow that latitude across the southern United States to see if anything stuck out. I ran across the little town of Center Point in Kerr County, Texas, latitude 29 deg 57' 01". I ran two lines from Center Point, one to the latitude of Khafre's pyramid on the east coast of Florida and the other to the southernmost point on the California coast, the pyramid latitude would have ended up in Mexico and I felt the distances in the United States would have been more important. From Center Point to the Florida latitude the distance is 1062 miles and from Center Point to the southwest corner of California the distance is 1083 miles. There's a difference of 21 miles with the shorter distance being to the east. From my Kensington Stone post you can see the distances from the runestone to the present east border of Maine and to the Washington coast are 1360 miles and 1339 miles with the short distance being to the east, with a difference of 21 miles.

If there was an organized effort to create these lines, the above information can give you some clues about who and when. Further research will show you when the present border of eastern Maine was established and when Center Point was founded. You will be able to find which organizations used the symbol of the pyramid and how it fits in with their ceremonies.

Here's a little bit of information to get you started on Center Point.

http://wkcurrent.com/life-was-rarely-dull-for-members-of-the-ganahl-family-p1644-71.htm

RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project: Urquhart & Allied Families of Eastern US

Texas-Hill-Country.com,

http://wkcurrent.com/early-texas-ranger-neal-coldwell-was-a-virtuous-example-p1506-71.htm

 

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I simply love the field of treasure hunting you never know what your going to come up with next..... I enjoy reading the posts... Have a great day everyone....

 

[mdog]

mdog, I located the original disputed east boundary as shown below. At 45º48'39"N, the boundary intersection is at 67º18'0"W. It's hard to be exact on the old boundary because accurate old maps are missing. The best I could do was guess on the longitude based on the meridian crossing the St John River, per the map I got from an online report (admittedly not precise). In any case, at the KRS latitude (45º48'39"N), the eastern US boundary is 1362 miles from the KRS discovery point - quite a coincidence.

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Thanks Sdcfia for taking the time to check this out. Yes, it does seem to be quite a coincidence. It would be nice if somebody in the know, would step up and tell us the history.