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[mdog]

I got buddy that wrote a book about a place called Black Mountain somewhere near the base of it Frank fish found treasure at Robbers Roost.here is what he says about some more names ,its the last post.
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/t...ia-lost-treasure-leads-frank-fish-s-book.html

Thanks Kanabite. What is the name of your buddies book. I've run across a lot of Black Mountains in my research.

 

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[kanabite]

Thanks Kanabite. What is the name of your buddies book. I've run across a lot of Black Mountains in my research.

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This is probably the easiest way to answer that .that book is not for sale anymore as far as I know.I think I still have three of them left on CD. I send one or two out free of charge about twice a year .I was given some quite a few years ago to give to those whom I thought might be interested. If you would like one PM me a mailing address and I'll send it to you .

 

[sdcfia]

What are your opinions of this date and the defeat of the Moors. Thanks, sdcfia.

mdog, I don't have any strong opinions about the year of the Moors' defeat in Granada and the date carved in your photo, other than they are both "1492". I guess if we wanted to speculate that your carved rock contains a "treasure code" of some sort, and that names are important, we might look for a "Grenada" place name near the rock. Of course, we might also look for "Columbus" for that matter. Columbus is more obvious, but Grenada is a bit trickier, maybe more important to someone, and I just like it more - the crescent and star and all that. Or, instead, maybe 1492 should be used as some sort of numerical reference. The point is, it's an odd bit of graffiti that draws your attention. Ha ha - you see where this is going? More Tylenol.

 

[mdog]

mdog, I don't have any strong opinions about the year of the Moors' defeat in Granada and the date carved in your photo, other than they are both "1492". I guess if we wanted to speculate that your carved rock contains a "treasure code" of some sort, and that names are important, we might look for a "Grenada" place name near the rock. Of course, we might also look for "Columbus" for that matter. Columbus is more obvious, but Grenada is a bit trickier, maybe more important to someone, and I just like it more - the crescent and star and all that. Or, instead, maybe 1492 should be used as some sort of numerical reference. The point is, it's an odd bit of graffiti that draws your attention. Ha ha - you see where this is going? More Tylenol.

Yes, Tylenol is my friend. It seems like the more knowledge I gain, the more confused I become.

Anyway, I might have found a Columbus link to the 1492 carving. Here's the carving again.




Notice the shape of the loop on the nine, kind of like a cave entrance symbol. This formation is right across from it.




There's a hole there that goes all the way through the rock. When I was just getting started, I used to call it a hoyo, now I just call it a hole. Even though you can't see the bottom, the hole is shaped like the loop on the 9. My grandson found me a sun calculator online and when you look straight through it, it lines up to where the sun comes up on the summer solstice on about June 22. Saint John the Baptist's Day is on June 24th. When Columbus landed on Puerto Rico, he named it San Juan Bautista in honor of John the Baptist. The Masons celebrate John the Baptist Day as well as St. John the Evangelist Day just after the winter solstice. I guess maybe the Knights of Columbus would celebrate both holidays too.

Kinda makes me wonder about those Spanish John sites we used to read a lot about. The eagle symbol was associated with those sites, but maybe they were Masonic instead of Spanish.

 

[sdcfia]

Yes, Tylenol is my friend. It seems like the more knowledge I gain, the more confused I become.

Anyway, I might have found a Columbus link to the 1492 carving. Here's the carving again.

View attachment 1262316

Notice the shape of the loop on the nine, kind of like a cave entrance symbol. This formation is right across from it.

View attachment 1262317

There's a hole there that goes all the way through the rock. When I was just getting started, I used to call it a hoyo, now I just call it a hole. Even though you can't see the bottom, the hole is shaped like the loop on the 9. My grandson found me a sun calculator online and when you look straight through it, it lines up to where the sun comes up on the summer solstice on about June 22. Saint John the Baptist's Day is on June 24th. When Columbus landed on Puerto Rico, he named it San Juan Bautista in honor of John the Baptist. The Masons celebrate John the Baptist Day as well as St. John the Evangelist Day just after the winter solstice. I guess maybe the Knights of Columbus would celebrate both holidays too.

Kinda makes me wonder about those Spanish John sites we used to read a lot about. The eagle symbol was associated with those sites, but maybe they were Masonic instead of Spanish.

<edit> your cave information is interesting. The shapes of individual carved letters and numbers is a rather large can of wiggly worms too. Ironically, the more overall knowledge a guy haves, the more difficult it is to consider what you're finding because there are so many more options. Some folks claim to have figured out some of the code (if it is a code) - "this means this, that means that" - but I'm doubtful myself.

 

[mdog]

The attachments didn't come through on the post, but your cave information is interesting. The shapes of individual carved letters and numbers is a rather large can of wiggly worms too. Ironically, the more overall knowledge a guy haves, the more difficult it is to consider what you're finding because there are so many more options. Some folks claim to have figured out some of the code (if it is a code) - "this means this, that means that" - but I'm doubtful myself.

Something else I learned while doing this research is that the Muslims consider John the Baptist a prophet but the Jews don't.

 

[sdcfia]

Something else I learned while doing this research is that the Muslims consider John the Baptist a prophet but the Jews don't.

He's also one of the two Patron Saints of Freemasonry. For those who consider that the entire NT is actually coded astrological symbolism, this link offers some interesting John the Baptist lore: Usbible.com: John the Babtist's Stars

This gives you four JTB significant dates to work with: Sept 24, June 24, Jan 22, and Aug 29.

 

[dog the treasure hunter]

Yes, Tylenol is my friend. It seems like the more knowledge I gain, the more confused I become.

Anyway, I might have found a Columbus link to the 1492 carving. Here's the carving again.

View attachment 1262358


Notice the shape of the loop on the nine, kind of like a cave entrance symbol. This formation is right across from it.

View attachment 1262359


There's a hole there that goes all the way through the rock. When I was just getting started, I used to call it a hoyo, now I just call it a hole. Even though you can't see the bottom, the hole is shaped like the loop on the 9. My grandson found me a sun calculator online and when you look straight through it, it lines up to where the sun comes up on the summer solstice on about June 22. Saint John the Baptist's Day is on June 24th. When Columbus landed on Puerto Rico, he named it San Juan Bautista in honor of John the Baptist. The Masons celebrate John the Baptist Day as well as St. John the Evangelist Day just after the winter solstice. I guess maybe the Knights of Columbus would celebrate both holidays too.

Kinda makes me wonder about those Spanish John sites we used to read a lot about. The eagle symbol was associated with those sites, but maybe they were Masonic instead of Spanish.

How about, maybe way way before the Spanish?

 

[dog the treasure hunter]

Possible Ancient city's layout?View attachment 1262630

 

[mdog]

How about, maybe way way before the Spanish?

I know what you're talking about, Dog. I used to call this spot the snake eye. The head isn't there anymore, a big limb got blown off a tree and knocked it off. This is the only picture I have that shows the head. It could be ancient but I'll never know because the archeologists have no interest in the place. Thirty feet on both sides of this spot there are all kinds of old looking things. I don't believe there is any way to date something like this. It could have been hollowed out a month before I took the picture. A lot of old and modern cultures celebrate the summer solstice, so, unless somebody does a dig, there is no evidence that can be analyzed. Here are some pictures of a couple of things close by.







Here's a link about St. John the Baptist Day and how old the celebration is.

https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/liturgicalyear/activities/view.cfm?id=1126

 

[kanabite]

Well as long as we are going into Holy dates , if you go back a little farther in time we find these eightHigh Holy Days


Oooop sorry mdog we posted at the same time lol

 

[kanabite]

I'm still very cautious to call it a code ,and I can't seem to break the idea that some of this treasure stuff is more about an ancient religious practice that some of these later groups figured out .I know you and I have been here before Steve , I guess I'm just stubborn lmao

After all these more masonic brothers should have learned about all sorts of stuff http://mirrorofisis.freeyellow.com/id63.html

 

[dog the treasure hunter]

mdog, it looks to me, that the patina is the same since father time laid it down. If the other stones are the same color that havent been worked, man its got to be old.

 

[dog the treasure hunter]

I'm still very cautious to call it a code ,and I can't seem to break the idea that some of this treasure stuff is more about an ancient religious practice that some of these later groups figured out .I know you and I have been here before Steve , I guess I'm just stubborn lmao

I like that kanabite, i have to say my 3 years of doing this part time,agrees with that. I just look at some of the patina on this stuff,and it sure looks like it matches with the non worked stuff. And i think these people made offerings right at these Gods monuments, and later treasure hunters came along and scooped them right up. And cached what they couldn't take.And the same cycle went on thru time, it just kept getting more complex. Now its our turn.

 

[L.C. BAKER]

In my studies tonight I ran across this testament to the accuracy of the surveyor in 1854 with what he had to work with...the solar compass.

The contract for the important base line between the territories of Kansas and
Nebraska was awarded to a U. S. Deputy Surveyor named John P. Johnson on
November 2, 1854. Johnson was a 37-year-old Harvard University graduate who had
vied for the Surveyor General’s position of the Kansas and Nebraska Territories against
Calhoun. To appease Johnson, and the politically interested people who stood behind
him, Calhoun agreed to give Johnson the contract to establish the base line. Although
Johnson was well-educated, his actual expertise in the field was very limited, and his
knowledge of and familiarity with the solar compass was apparently nonexistent. The
solar compass was capable of reading an angle to the nearest one-quarter degree and
its main significance was the instrument’s ability to provide the deputy surveyor with
an azimuth originating with the sun rather than a dependence upon a magnetic needle
whose direction was subject to magnetic variation. "

 

[sdcfia]

I'm still very cautious to call it a code ,and I can't seem to break the idea that some of this treasure stuff is more about an ancient religious practice that some of these later groups figured out .I know you and I have been here before Steve , I guess I'm just stubborn lmao

After all these more masonic brothers should have learned about all sorts of stuff Sirius - The Sacred Star of Isis

Well, I guess you'd say that a code is just a system of private communication. The system could use any number of strategies, based on your preference. After all, one man's Isis is another man's Sophia or another man's Mary. As far as the religious practices are concerned, as Solomon said, "The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no thing new under the sun". This is a quote that everyone knows, but few people understand, IMO. Of course, as always, I could be wrong.

 

[sdcfia]

In my studies tonight I ran across this testament to the accuracy of the surveyor in 1854 with what he had to work with...the solar compass.

The contract for the important base line between the territories of Kansas and
Nebraska was awarded to a U. S. Deputy Surveyor named John P. Johnson on
November 2, 1854. Johnson was a 37-year-old Harvard University graduate who had
vied for the Surveyor General’s position of the Kansas and Nebraska Territories against
Calhoun. To appease Johnson, and the politically interested people who stood behind
him, Calhoun agreed to give Johnson the contract to establish the base line. Although
Johnson was well-educated, his actual expertise in the field was very limited, and his
knowledge of and familiarity with the solar compass was apparently nonexistent. The
solar compass was capable of reading an angle to the nearest one-quarter degree and
its main significance was the instrument’s ability to provide the deputy surveyor with
an azimuth originating with the sun rather than a dependence upon a magnetic needle
whose direction was subject to magnetic variation. "

Even though today's highly-accurate surveying is GPS-based, with a large number of established local control points, it's still a common practice to use optical sun shots to establish true north. In 1854, Johnson and all surveyors had excellent tools to work with: very precise theodolites and other optical instruments, and also the telegraph, which revolutionized the accurate determination of longitude on the frontier. Today, 150-year old marked stones in difficult terrain are often found just a few feet from where they "should be".

 

[L.C. BAKER]

Even though today's highly-accurate surveying is GPS-based, with a large number of established local control points, it's still a common practice to use optical sun shots to establish true north. In 1854, Johnson and all surveyors had excellent tools to work with: very precise theodolites and other optical instruments, and also the telegraph, which revolutionized the accurate determination of longitude on the frontier. Today, 150-year old marked stones in difficult terrain are often found just a few feet from where they "should be".

The map pieces are 2"x 3" x 1/4" thick lead, that is a small target even with a marker close by. They were pretty exact in their measurement. In the late 1800's the O.A.K. relocated objects left buried and placed new copper strips with other heading and distances on them over the lead pieces. I believe that they will lead us to O.A.K. caches that were added to an already existing K.G.C. trail. Only time will tell....and some $. As the coded letter they recovered says, if you read each line I have written you will find it is true. I believe this is a reference to use true measurement as well as being sarcastic. In our case the bird symbol was also used in a humorous way.....like a riddle. At the same time there are military grade cryptography dodges used in the code. We have a code, but we also have symbolism and to understand the code is easy when you have the key, but you still have to be able to understand and read the symbolism. So far that has lead to one cache out of 10 and it was not found like the ones who left it meant for it to be recovered. I believe the rest of them on this treasure trail still lay in the ground awaiting discovery!

 

[L.C. BAKER]

I like that kanabite, i have to say my 3 years of doing this part time,agrees with that. I just look at some of the patina on this stuff,and it sure looks like it matches with the non worked stuff. And i think these people made offerings right at these Gods monuments, and later treasure hunters came along and scooped them right up. And cached what they couldn't take.And the same cycle went on thru time, it just kept getting more complex. Now its our turn.

I see the same thing dog, it looks newer than the rock that surrounds it.

 

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