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[senior deacon]

K von M was as was I. The first Apple computer was out on the market 6 years after I started. We used the post office to carry message and information to each other. Did this secret knowledge help either one of us out. Very little!!! Karl spent a lot of time on the LUE treasure and don't think he found as much as a a penny of it. Others claimed to have become wealth because of it. He would have had all the knowledge he needed to find the Beale cache but never did. I bet Rebel overturned more than a few rocks before the internet was around. Masonic knowledge might be helpful but remember X does Mark the spot. I am still looking for that spot with all the Masonic knowledge, books, reference material, and the use of the modern PC and internet. Not only that but with metal detectors that are the most sensitive made to date. What I am looking for is the clue that will lead me to the spot. Some of the richest treasure have been found with a probe rod and spade and they were on the exact spot.

Senior Deacon

 

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[kanabite]

But was it fun?

 

[kanabite]

If we follow your line of thinking then AF would be the either the center of wisdom, center of science, or center of navigation. Take your pick as to who's interpretation you wish to choose. The problem with a lot of the old Latin words they could be interpreted several different ways.
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Senior Deacon

Ya don't get too caught up in the lullian circle , it was just an early form of computer .the kircher stuff is far more interesting when it comes to codes and decoding stuff .probably pretty advanced stuff for its day.
History of Computers and Computing, Dreamers, Athanasius Kircher

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Do you mean in reference to my search Reb , or are you talking about that article?

Very hard to try and fact check this story BTW Death ValleyDeath Valley

"Pics" from article, or have you verified...?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Thanks, Kanabite. I started reading it once. It seems to be important to the Masons.

K von M was as was I. The first Apple computer was out on the market 6 years after I started. We used the post office to carry message and information to each other. Did this secret knowledge help either one of us out. Very little!!! Karl spent a lot of time on the LUE treasure and don't think he found as much as a a penny of it. Others claimed to have become wealth because of it. He would have had all the knowledge he needed to find the Beale cache but never did. I bet Rebel overturned more than a few rocks before the internet was around. Masonic knowledge might be helpful but remember X does Mark the spot. I am still looking for that spot with all the Masonic knowledge, books, reference material, and the use of the modern PC and internet. Not only that but with metal detectors that are the most sensitive made to date. What I am looking for is the clue that will lead me to the spot. Some of the richest treasure have been found with a probe rod and spade and they were on the exact spot.

Senior Deacon

Nah, NEVER looked for "The Beale"; just do R & I. Book on "The Beale" of MASONIC "interest" is SOLVING THE BEALE PAPERS by Paul Stewart... NOT a Bro, tho. STILL interesting... He is doing a SERIES: MASONIC Answers to AMERICAN Mysteries...

 

[kanabite]

"Pics" from article, or have you verified...?

Can't find any pics ,,,,,circumstantial with these ones,,,,,, the common theme on this type seems to be the bodies dissapear so it leaves me puzzeled .to me these stories are a little different than Steves "old Mexican with a map" stories.who knows
Doheny Expedition

 

[sdcfia]

Can't find any pics ,,,,,circumstantial with these ones,,,,,, the common theme on this type seems to be the bodies dissapear so it leaves me puzzeled .to me these stories are a little different than Steves "old Mexican with a map" stories.who knows
Doheny Expedition

Those Mexicans with a map almost invariably are searching for for some sort of mysterious cave or some other subsurface location wherein lies a big secret.

kanabite, that "Death Valley" website link you provided (Index) has a lot of interesting links. If you're interested in possible 19th century Masonic connections to hidden weirdness, try Etidorhpa - the classic written by John Uri Lloyd (Was William Morgan). The whole book is also available on that website (if you enjoy reading lengthy books online).

 

[mdog]

Thanks for the coding information, Kanabite. Just what I need. lol. The bio about Ramon Llull was interesting. I've never heard of him before.

 

[sdcfia]

Can't find any pics ,,,,,circumstantial with these ones,,,,,, the common theme on this type seems to be the bodies dissapear so it leaves me puzzeled .to me these stories are a little different than Steves "old Mexican with a map" stories.who knows
Doheny Expedition

Talk about a tangled web. Ed Doheny was a treasure hunter, prospector and miner in the Kingston NM area in the 1880s - just up the road from Hillsboro NM, where reports of Jesse James having business in the area at the same time survive. Doheny later became a gazillionaire in oil in CA. He bribed Albert Fall during the Teapot Dome scandal in the 1920s, but before that, Fall was a NM Senator, Secretary of the Interior and legal council for his buddy Oliver Lee - a cattle rustler who probably killed the prosecutor at his rustling trial, Albert Fountain. Pat Garrett was also murdered when he snooped too much into the Fountain case. Garrett of course allegedly killed Billy the Kid earlier. It's alleged that James, Garrett and the Kid were KGC foot soldiers, and that Doheny and Fall were somehow KGC string pullers too. It'd probably take L.C. Baker to sort it all out. Fountain? He just got in the way, it seems.

 

[kanabite]

Those Mexicans with a map almost invariably are searching for for some sort of mysterious cave or some other subsurface location wherein lies a big secret.

kanabite, that "Death Valley" website link you provided (Index) has a lot of interesting links. If you're interested in possible 19th century Masonic connections to hidden weirdness, try Etidorhpa - the classic written by John Uri Lloyd (Was William Morgan). The whole book is also available on that website (if you enjoy reading lengthy books online).

Thanks Steve , I will have read this as time allows.these things really puzzle me ,are they similar to masonic legend of old ,meaning not to be taken literally, or more like pursher ?.Idk
I noticed right in the first few chapter reference to Alchemy and Gerber but they called Raymond llully , Raymond bully .seems not even history can decide what his name was lol

 

[kanabite]

Talk about a tangled web. Ed Doheny was a treasure hunter, prospector and miner in the Kingston NM area in the 1880s - just up the road from Hillsboro NM, where reports of Jesse James having business in the area at the same time survive. Doheny later became a gazillionaire in oil in CA. He bribed Albert Fall during the Teapot Dome scandal in the 1920s, but before that, Fall was a NM Senator, Secretary of the Interior and legal council for his buddy Oliver Lee - a cattle rustler who probably killed the prosecutor at his rustling trial, Albert Fountain. Pat Garrett was also murdered when he snooped too much into the Fountain case. Garrett of course allegedly killed Billy the Kid earlier. It's alleged that James, Garrett and the Kid were KGC foot soldiers, and that Doheny and Fall were somehow KGC string pullers too. It'd probably take L.C. Baker to sort it all out. Fountain? He just got in the way, it seems.

. Ya crazy stuff !and I have not even brought up the Powell expeditions yet and the very masonic written account of the two voyages down the canyon.all these guys were in very deep with the treasure hunting deal IMO

 

[mdog]

AF in Masonic terms is for Ancient Free. This rock structure looks like it also has a E and a I towards the top that looks older than the AF. Could it be more of a graffiti maker than a treasure marker?.

Back years ago when I was young and hector last had pups. We climbed to the top of a limestone bluff and carved our initials in the limestone. We did it big enough that you could see them from the river below. I sure would hate to think some treasure hunter was wasting valuable time trying to decipher my initials as a treasure sign.

Don't always think that the masons are trying to trip everyone up. If there was any big money. One I would have heard of it and two we the masons would have recovered it many years ago. One of the reasons I believe there are a lot of dry holes in the KGC treasure legends. Not all men are honest, not all KGC sentinels were good and true. Maybe they needed the money to bail themselves or their family thru the panics and depression of the late 1890's or early 1900's. I remember my grandfather telling me the story of how he and my grandmother got married bought a farm and lost it in the panic of 1919. It effected their lives and financial standing until the day they died.

Senior Deacon

I wouldn't rule out graffiti because I don't know when it was put there or why. There are hundreds of carvings in this area but there are three that stand out and seem to be related. They are carved very deep and they have a common measurement, within fractions of an inch. The box and AF total 74 inches, there is another box that measures 74 inches and a triangle that totals 74 inches. It's been a several years since I measured, but those are the measurements I wrote down.

The AF seemed to point the direction to the other two that were about 250 yards away. The triangle shows three markers and how they're laid out. The 74 inch square, I believe represents a specific cemetery plot that measures 74 feet. There are three numbers close to the AF box and I've never been confident of the explanation I came up with for them. I thought they might indicate a Bible verse to direct to the south, and this could very well be, because the two carvings I described above are to the south. The numbers are 7,21,45. In Steve's book, he spent some time talking about Jesse James. I've never spent much time studying James, but I thought I would check his bio and see if the date July 21, 1845 might be associated with him in some way. As it turns out, it's his wife's birthday. The numbers also total 73 which is one less than the carvings but 74 is important to the site because it identifies a cemetery to go to. If anybody has any pictures of numbers that James might have carved, post the numbers and we can compare. Also, anybody looking for a James site might remember that date and the number 73.

 

[mdog]

Here's the pic of the 7,21,45 carving.

 

[sdcfia]

Here's the pic of the 7,21,45 carving.

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You don't often see "1492" carved on rocks either.

 

[mdog]

Those Mexicans with a map almost invariably are searching for for some sort of mysterious cave or some other subsurface location wherein lies a big secret.

kanabite, that "Death Valley" website link you provided (Index) has a lot of interesting links. If you're interested in possible 19th century Masonic connections to hidden weirdness, try Etidorhpa - the classic written by John Uri Lloyd (Was William Morgan). The whole book is also available on that website (if you enjoy reading lengthy books online).

I was looking at Kanabite's Death Valley story and it reminded me of a couple of others that I've read recently about the ground opening up on a hill to reveal a big cave with an unknown source of light. A huge treasure was found in one and a treasure legend was associated with the other. I got on google earth and started at Wingate Pass and went 20 miles north into Inyo County. I knew if I looked around I'd find the place name I was looking for and there it was, Wyoming Mine, 25 miles north of Wingate Pass. The name Wyoming is a place name to watch for and is associated with the other two legends. There is also a heart shaped pond connected to the two legends but I couldn't find anything that looked like that in Inyo County. Also, the places with the heart ponds are much further east of California and are not in any gold or silver producing areas. Who knows, maybe the earth opening up and a treasure revealed is a variation of the Spaniard with a map story. Also, just south of Wyoming Mine is a Sentinal Peak.

 

[mdog]

You don't often see "1492" carved on rocks either.

The 1492 is right by a carved word, QUENT, that I can't find the meaning of. The 1492 date, as everybody should know, is when Columbus landed in North America. That might be of some importance to some of the brotherhood organizations or some kid trying to impress his girlfriend with his knowledge of history and his carving ability. It is also the date that the Jews were expelled from Spain. This could be important as I will explain in a future post.

 

[kanabite]

I got buddy that wrote a book about a place called Black Mountain somewhere near the base of it Frank fish found treasure at Robbers Roost.here is what he says about some more names ,its the last post.
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/t...ia-lost-treasure-leads-frank-fish-s-book.html

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Thanks Steve , I will have read this as time allows.these things really puzzle me ,are they similar to masonic legend of old ,meaning not to be taken literally, or more like pursher ?.Idk
I noticed right in the first few chapter reference to Alchemy and Gerber but they called Raymond llully , Raymond bully .seems not even history can decide what his name was lol

ENGLISH name... Raymond Lully - ROSICRUCIAN

 

[sdcfia]

The 1492 is right by a carved word, QUENT, that I can't find the meaning of. The 1492 date, as everybody should know, is when Columbus landed in North America. That might be of some importance to some of the brotherhood organizations or some kid trying to impress his girlfriend with his knowledge of history and his carving ability. It is also the date that the Jews were expelled from Spain. This could be important as I will explain in a future post.

And, also significantly IMO, 1492 marks the Fall of Granada, when the Moors' rule of Spain ended after 700 years.

 

[mdog]

And, also significantly IMO, 1492 marks the Fall of Granada, when the Moors' rule of Spain ended after 700 years.

What are your opinions of this date and the defeat of the Moors. Thanks, sdcfia.