The True Story of Victorio Peak

[mdog]

Some people? Tell us who? Or was it just you?

Banned. Pfft.. Add yourself to the tyrannts. What a coward you are. I question, and you suggest banning? Really?

I don't worry about your balls, as apparently you do not have any ...

Good come back.

 

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[Springfield]

... What is going on here with these photos, or with the items themselves? ...

Oro, the photo links didn't connect back to their threads, so their context is a bit unclear - but your question, I think, has to do with more modern artifacts being found in an alleged 'ancient' site (Soledad Peak, aka Victorio Peak)? That site certainly appears multi-layered, time-wise, at least as reported by Noss and others in the 1930's. Were the famous artifacts truly found in the site? Were they salted? Who really knows? What's the truth about the site? All we have to go on is the lore that surrounds the place, and most of it goes straight back to Noss, who by most accounts was not a credible witness (to say the least). With treasure stories, things are seldom as they seem.

... PS I could not see the symbol of Tanit in that one other photo either, I think on page 6? I am quite convinced that ancient visitors indeed came to America but their graffiti is usually much easier to pick out, as at Mystery Hill NH ...

The Rio Grande Valley in New Mexico has many examples of Pre-Columbian visits from Middle Easterns/Mediterraneans - Hidden Mountain west of Los Lunas probably being the most discussed. There are quite a few other petroglyph examples in the surrounding hills between T or C and El Paso. Below is a 'Tanit' found by me in the Cookes Range at an alleged very old mine site.

 

[treasminder2]

ok

I was done talking about all this a few years ago ,

however , I'll succumb to the urge to inform the new readers of some facts I released over the
years .

( Blame my ego if you must )

I will not post pics of the monuments , you'll have to settle for my text only .

Organ Mountains New Mexico

1. Filmore Canyon : Two Monuments
2. Minehouse Spring near the Mine house on the west side : One monument
3. Ridge between Dorcey and Rucker Canyons : One Monument plus stone Alter for offering


The monuments verbally illustrated

Conical Shaped Stone stood on end , with green tinted round stone ball atop of them

picture a pawn chess piece and you've got the picture of what these look like


These match to exact specs of the same monuments still in situ and standing
at the Tanit Temple in Byblos .


Biblical reference for those who have to have that Bible Proof


Kings One

and david had even their groves on high , torn down , their gods Moloch and his Consort Tanit


Alright
when the bible states Groves, it is NOT a grove of trees

it is referring to Groves of STANDING STONE MONUMENTS

Read the OT and pay attention to the descriptions of Alters , Groves , and worship sites .

for those who wondered what was meant by groves

you now have your answer .


~~~~~~~ End segment of Tanit

~~~~~ Begin varied Timeline deposites at Vicky and other peaks and canyons of the
Ophir deposits

first understand that when The Two Kings " Hiram and Solomon " sent their men to Ophir

it was Hiram who knew of the caverns filled with smelted treasury bars ,,, not Solomon .


VP was one such site for the deposits , and the bars were already smelted and stored when
the two kings had their men take a trip to them the first time .

That correct, the bars were already there , stored by an ancient Civilization that current
theory believes to have been a Myth of Homer .


Over the 2900 years since Solomons Ophir expeditions

many artifacts were stored at VP by many different entities .

Last to deposit items there were the Apache and that ended for them when the went onto the
Concentration Camp euphimistically referred to as an Indian Reservation .


Evidence this one fact from Capt. Leonard Fiegie

" Me and Tom entered the side cavern , the floor of the cave was covered in Bat Guano up
to our Knees "


Take a 20 by 40 foot room and fill it with Bat Shiet up to your knees

how long would it take bats to do that to that extent ?


300 years ?

400 ?

500 ?


wrong

try thousands of years


Petroglyphs at VP : I direct you to study the findings of the Archy's at Byblos

note the Phoenician " PICTURE WORDS "

Mystery Glyphs at Vicky ?

Not to me , sorry man ,
when my Dad first ran across some of these mystery glyphs , he was reminded of Middle Eastern
Hiero's

Being a BOOKWORM with a Coffee achiever demeanor , he went back to his Bookshelf
and grabbed a book

a picture of glyphs found at Byblos on Urns and carved in stone

Later , I added some updated Archy finds to his already profound notes .

I then retrieved a Gold Bar with Hebrew Alphabet all over it and the strikemark of
Solomon and Hiram engraved into the bar .


Alrighty ?


on the Knights Templar

Let me clear the air on that concerning myself and family

We are the Family of GRAND MASTERS OF THE KNIGHTS TEMPLAR

Not just descendants of a few Knights , who were actually men who were members of an Elite
GUARD , not escorts for Pilgrams .

lastly


The Southwest Portion of the U.S. and part of N. Mexico is OPHIR


call it a land

call it a Treasury Deposit


call it BS


I call it as I found it and evidenced it by the ancient artifacts I have recovered

and then lost to a Corrupt Government run by skanks


~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bottom line


Cover up is a conspiracy fact , theory works only if the theory has PROOF in hard evidence to back it up .

If over the past 20 years you have not seen evidence presented that the U.S. is a
conspiracy mill ,,,,,,

then your eyes wide shut should remain as such , for your stomach would no longer be able
to hold down your comfort food ,, and you might begin to face reality .


The Noss connected Morons as well as Noss himself , have run monkey shines enough to cast
doubt in such a way as to actually help the cover up .


Vicky Peak is just one site where ancient peoples had deposited their wealth .

The 9 initial knights Templar had foreknowledge of Ophir , and it was NOT the Temple Mount that they recovered the scrolls for the route to Ophir

it was at Tyre that they gained the Knowledge of the exact route


For it was recorded by Hiram

 

[mdog]

Roger,

The Tanit monuments interest me. In one of your posts from awhile back, I believe you mentioned that these monuments were spread along the Rio Grande. If I remember that right, it fits in with what I've seen in my research. The Phoenicians would construct these monuments at intervals along their trade routes so the traders could worship as they travelled. There are theories that the Phoenicians also obtained copper from the Great Lakes region and evidence of large poles sunk into the ground on the top of earthworks, high places, has been found in some of the Louisiana mound groups that date back to about 1500 BC. The use of sacred poles on high places was widespread during the Mississippian period. From what I've read the wooden poles were used in Phoenicia to represent Tanit and the stone columns were used to represent their male god. Along the Mississippi, any wood would have been long rotted, but not so with the stone columns in the SW.

I have a question for you, have you ever seen any evidence of some coating of some type that would make a stone column glow in the dark? The reason I ask is, the Omaha Tribe has or had a sacred pole that was cedar and this post glowed in the dark. The tribe also stuck one end of this pole in the ground and angled the other end to point toward the North Star. Such a trail of glowing posts would be valuable to traders who might have reason to move at night.

 

[familyhunter]

Well said Roger the trip I emailed you about was productive still waitin on your adress so I can come see you

 

[Oroblanco]

Confusion

Hello again;

Thank you Springfield for trying to clarify some of this. I like your 'Tanit' but will not ask the exact location for obvious reasons.

I am sorry my earlier post failed to link right; here is one of the key points that is bothering me.



the coin on the left is a genuine one, the one on the right is from one of the first posts in this thread, among several showing artifacts supposedly recovered from Victorio Peak. If you look at them side by side (the coins that is) you can see that the one from Victorio is a mirror image, and appears to have issues with the planchet. The color appears to match that of lead rather than silver, but that is not a major issue.

Were there more of these coins found? Were they all like this, in reverse?

Also, not to hunt for a bone to pick but Tanit is the patron goddess of Carthage, she was not really much worshipped in the homelands of Phoenicia and particularly in Byblus, for Asherah or aka Baalat Gubl, was the Goddess of Byblos. It is not a major point, maybe; just that the period of Carthaginian expansion and exploration overseas was well after the time of Solomon and Hiram, by a couple of centuries at least so if the symbols are Tanit, the odds are the makers were from Carthaginian possessions and date to 800 BC or sooner, rather than the time of Solomon and David. Asherah's symbol would not look quite like a Tanit symbol, for in most depictions Asherah is shown holding her hands to her breasts, not held to the sky or straight horizontally as with Tanit.

Also, I can not find any reference which describes the "sacred groves" of the Phoenician religion as stone monuments, the only sources I have state they are groves of trees or poles. The religion of the Celtic Druids was very similar, including the view of holy trees like the Oak, even to the names of the gods and goddesses, hence Baal (Phoenician) or Bel (Druid), Tanit (Punic) or Tinnith (Druid). If you could point me to a source which states the sacred groves described in the Old Testament are in fact groves of stone monuments, I would appreciate it.

Thank you in advance,
Oroblanco

 

[Springfield]

... Were there more of these coins found? Were they all like this, in reverse?

Yeah, that reverse coin thing is odd. I guess the original photo may have been reversed for some reason, but I can't imagine why, unless it was a mistake. I can't see why the coins would have been cast in reverse either, unless the artisan was a world class dyslexic.

... Also, not to hunt for a bone to pick but Tanit is the patron goddess of Carthage, she was not really much worshipped in the homelands of Phoenicia and particularly in Byblus, for Asherah or aka Baalat Gubl, was the Goddess of Byblos. It is not a major point, maybe; just that the period of Carthaginian expansion and exploration overseas was well after the time of Solomon and Hiram, by a couple of centuries at least so if the symbols are Tanit, the odds are the makers were from Carthaginian possessions and date to 800 BC or sooner, rather than the time of Solomon and David. Asherah's symbol would not look quite like a Tanit symbol, for in most depictions Asherah is shown holding her hands to her breasts, not held to the sky or straight horizontally as with Tanit ...

You've made a good point. Tanit, like most gods/goddesses, was a later derivative of much earlier entities (all the way back to Sumer) and the source of others to follow (Roman pantheon). Tanit is identified with both the planet Venus and also the crescent moon. The Tanit petroglyph I posted raises an interesting question concerning its carver. Was it carved by an Old World traveler thousands of years ago? Was it carved by a Mesoamerican many hundreds of years ago with knowledge obtained from Old World contact (the Mesoamerican Venus connection)? Was it carved more recently as a disguised message using coded symbology (the crescent)?

 

[treasminder2]

View attachment 878500 alright man

this is a pain to upload images

above is the Tanit Tophet in Byblos

for Tanit and ball Hammon


nuff said ?

 

[treasminder2]

View attachment 878502


This is a Tanit and Baal hammon Tophet or if you wish

a worship site know as a grove made of stones

Drive to the Organ Mountain

go up Soledad canyon and cross over into the military base

at the east end of soledad canyon at the base of soledad peak you will find an almost
exact duplicate site as this one .

almost exactly the same stone grove , it is a Tanit grove

dig what I'm saying Vern ?

Grove as in STONE FREAKING <<< STUPID GROVE

dig now do you ?

the same freaking grove here in the southwest US

as in the East

this site is a pain to post pics or i'd show you some sh_t that would tear your mind apart .

I am not interested in proving crap .

suffice it to say it is THERE , in the Organ Mountains of NM

and it ain't going anywhere anytime soon
been there 2900 years

so I imagine it likes where it sits and shall remain .

 

[treasminder2]

View attachment 878503this is from a Tanit Grove

if you've been in the field where i have been , as springfield has been

then you have seen these symbols


Now google Tanit temple

then when the page loads

click on images and look them over

you will see more pics of stones like this from the groves in the middle east

then walk into The Organ Mountains , such as Rucker Canyon

and the base of Soledad peak on the east end of Soledad canyon

and you will find the same symbols there if you keep your eyes open


There is a Ridge between Sulpher and Rucker Canyons that has standing stone monuments
atop of it , that will blow your mind

 

[treasminder2]

View attachment 878518


Tanit stone icon

in the areas I described in other post

this will be found

The base is exact, the ball atop of them GLOW GREEN in the light of a full moon

standing on a Ridge that is between Dorcey and Rucker Canyons

find it and stand at it , look northeast at the ridge lines across Rucker and you will see
more of them scattered about the ridge tops


go over into Johnson Canyon and find the other Icons and Groves as well .


all over the mountains

all over the states of the southwest , I have not found or been to all of them .\

last post for today
sorry ,, too sick to type much .

 

[Oroblanco]

Treasminder2 - you wrote

I am not interested in proving crap .

What did you expect that posting such info as you have would result in, from your readers but questions? Did you not expect that we would have many questions?

Treasminder2 also wrote

This is a Tanit and Baal hammon Tophet or if you wish

a worship site know as a grove made of stones

I have to respectfully disagree; a Tophet or "high place" is in effect, a graveyard. The numerous stone monuments are in effect, headstones. The Sacred Groves of the Phoenician religion (and their later, western cousins in Carthage as well as the Druids) were groves of trees, or where no trees were growing, poles were sometimes erected. This is just semantics though and not a key point. The photo you posted looks very like the Tophet of Carthage, and remember Carthage was not founded until over two hundred years after Solomon and Hiram.

Here is a photo of the famous Tophet of Carthage"


Our mutual friend Springfield has pointed up the issue with Tanit symbols - the worship of Tanit did not really develop until after the founding of Carthage, and was largely centered there. If that altar of Tanit is correctly IDed in Byblus (and is not an altar of Astarte or Asherah) then it is most probably built long after the time of Hiram and Solomon. See the issue there amigo? Timeline troubles.

Not saying that what you have said is wrong, just that it is usually good to keep an open mind when looking at ancient signs, sites etc. It is very easy to mistake one thing for another, and while it may be a small thing could still be important. Even the letters of an inscription can be very problematic - as in the example of Phoenician, Hebrew, Punic and the earliest Greek - all appear very similar to each other and are directly related, but the languages are different enough that the same letters can be read very differently in the different languages.

Most historians will not agree that Solomon had ships actually reaching the Americas, and want to see very solid proof before they will even consider that possibility. I am convinced that they were, and this is a key reason why the voyages took three years to complete just as the first Europeans to circumnavigate the world also took three years time to do it. But even if we can prove that ancient Hebrews and Phoenicians were indeed visiting the Americas, how far inland did they get? Victorio Peak is some distance from the sea, and even though the ancient mariners were fully capable of using the rivers as their highways, no major river flows close to Victorio either. Do you see the issues that historians will raise to your statements?

Inscriptions (mostly graffiti, not unlike "Joe was here" sort done today) left by Phoenician (and Punic) visitors to America are still being found, some well inland even into Nevada so it is certainly possible they could have reached Victorio Peak; in fact there is a site in Wyoming over 1000 miles from any sea and not near any navigable river with Phoenician inscriptions.

Treasminder2 also wrote

Drive to the Organ Mountain

go up Soledad canyon and cross over into the military base

at the east end of soledad canyon at the base of soledad peak you will find an almost
exact duplicate site as this one .

I have done some poking around in the Organ mountain range fairly recently and in the San Francisco range to the east last spring, but as my home is in South Dakota I can't readily just jump in the pickup and run to Soledad canyon on a whim. If things had worked out as hoped, my wife and I would be there <in that area> in about a week but unfortunately things did not work out so we are stuck here for the winter. We do have relatives in Alamogordo, but I don't know if I could talk them into checking out your site. I will try to go check out the site the next time I am in New Mexico, which will likely be next year.

I know that you have said, you don't care to prove anything, but I would appreciate if you could explain further. Ancient visitors to America from the Old Wrold is a bit of a pet "interest" of mine, I have even written a bit on it. Thank you in advance.

Good luck and good hunting amigos, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.

Oroblanco

 

[mdog]

View attachment 878518


Tanit stone icon

in the areas I described in other post

this will be found

The base is exact, the ball atop of them GLOW GREEN in the light of a full moon

standing on a Ridge that is between Dorcey and Rucker Canyons

find it and stand at it , look northeast at the ridge lines across Rucker and you will see
more of them scattered about the ridge tops


go over into Johnson Canyon and find the other Icons and Groves as well .


all over the mountains

all over the states of the southwest , I have not found or been to all of them .\

last post for today
sorry ,, too sick to type much .

Sorry you're not feeling well and thanks for taking the time to post.

The green glow on the round stone is very interesting to me. I live a long way from New Mexico so I'll never see what you describe but your post shows what type of monument to look for so maybe others will see them and share the information like you have. I'd like to know what makes the stone glow green but I suppose some type of chemical analysis would have to be done. I've read of a snail that the ancient Romans ate that was so luminescent that the fluids from the snail left a green glow on their mouths and hands and even the furniture and the floors of the dining areas.

Thanks again, Roger.

 

[mdog]

Thanks for your posts Oro. Can you give a location for the Phoenician carvings in Wyoming? If you can't pinpoint can you give a county or a region in the state? Thanks.

 

[Springfield]

... Our mutual friend Springfield has pointed up the issue with Tanit symbols - the worship of Tanit did not really develop until after the founding of Carthage, and was largely centered there. If that altar of Tanit is correctly IDed in Byblus (and is not an altar of Astarte or Asherah) then it is most probably built long after the time of Hiram and Solomon. See the issue there amigo? Timeline troubles...

Actually, the 'timeline troubles' may help to establish a chain of events, but not solve the riddle.

Very simply summarized, one speculative model is that: Solomon's people found Ophir in the American Southwest and exploited the existing storehouses of gold bullion there. Later, possibly beginning in Pre-Columbian times, but certainly during the Spanish Conquest and extending to today, an Organization reclaimed and/or added to and/or relocated the caches to more secure places, leaving enigmatic 'treasure signs', numerous 'treasure legends' and operatives to monitor/intervene in order to keep the caches secure. Victorio Peak is in the middle of the speculation, but all we know about it is circumstantial evidence, much of it lore surrounding Doc Noss.

If Solomon's people were here, we can't assume they left a trail of bread crumbs to Victorio Peak or anywhere else. That said, if they did leave petroglyphs or other rock structures, we have to assume those artifacts fit the era, even though language/alphabet nuances shouldn't be rejected when compared to the perfection of the scribes' work back in the Old World - after all, these were likely educated explorers, not scholars.

IMO, the 'Tanits' could indicate lots of things: unidentified diffusionist explorers following the 'Ophir days'; Knights Templars from the first millenium; recent Organization men who like to disguise their coded messages; or hoaxes.

 

[Oroblanco]

Mdog - thanks for the kind words, and unfortunately I do not have permission to give out the location of the Wyoming site. I hope to get my own photos of it some time, which I could then post. It is on private land in Weston county, and the owners do not like people trespassing. I probably should not have mentioned it yet.

Good luck and good hunting amigos, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
Oroblanco

 

[Ophir - J de Molay]

Treasminder2 - you wrote


What did you expect that posting such info as you have would result in, from your readers but questions? Did you not expect that we would have many questions?

Treasminder2 also wrote


I have to respectfully disagree; a Tophet or "high place" is in effect, a graveyard. The numerous stone monuments are in effect, headstones. The Sacred Groves of the Phoenician religion (and their later, western cousins in Carthage as well as the Druids) were groves of trees, or where no trees were growing, poles were sometimes erected. This is just semantics though and not a key point. The photo you posted looks very like the Tophet of Carthage, and remember Carthage was not founded until over two hundred years after Solomon and Hiram.

Here is a photo of the famous Tophet of Carthage"
View attachment 878526

Our mutual friend Springfield has pointed up the issue with Tanit symbols - the worship of Tanit did not really develop until after the founding of Carthage, and was largely centered there. If that altar of Tanit is correctly IDed in Byblus (and is not an altar of Astarte or Asherah) then it is most probably built long after the time of Hiram and Solomon. See the issue there amigo? Timeline troubles.

Not saying that what you have said is wrong, just that it is usually good to keep an open mind when looking at ancient signs, sites etc. It is very easy to mistake one thing for another, and while it may be a small thing could still be important. Even the letters of an inscription can be very problematic - as in the example of Phoenician, Hebrew, Punic and the earliest Greek - all appear very similar to each other and are directly related, but the languages are different enough that the same letters can be read very differently in the different languages.

Most historians will not agree that Solomon had ships actually reaching the Americas, and want to see very solid proof before they will even consider that possibility. I am convinced that they were, and this is a key reason why the voyages took three years to complete just as the first Europeans to circumnavigate the world also took three years time to do it. But even if we can prove that ancient Hebrews and Phoenicians were indeed visiting the Americas, how far inland did they get? Victorio Peak is some distance from the sea, and even though the ancient mariners were fully capable of using the rivers as their highways, no major river flows close to Victorio either. Do you see the issues that historians will raise to your statements?

Inscriptions (mostly graffiti, not unlike "Joe was here" sort done today) left by Phoenician (and Punic) visitors to America are still being found, some well inland even into Nevada so it is certainly possible they could have reached Victorio Peak; in fact there is a site in Wyoming over 1000 miles from any sea and not near any navigable river with Phoenician inscriptions.

Treasminder2 also wrote



I have done some poking around in the Organ mountain range fairly recently and in the San Francisco range to the east last spring, but as my home is in South Dakota I can't readily just jump in the pickup and run to Soledad canyon on a whim. If things had worked out as hoped, my wife and I would be there <in that area> in about a week but unfortunately things did not work out so we are stuck here for the winter. We do have relatives in Alamogordo, but I don't know if I could talk them into checking out your site. I will try to go check out the site the next time I am in New Mexico, which will likely be next year.

I know that you have said, you don't care to prove anything, but I would appreciate if you could explain further. Ancient visitors to America from the Old Wrold is a bit of a pet "interest" of mine, I have even written a bit on it. Thank you in advance.

Good luck and good hunting amigos, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.

Oroblanco

I agree with your comments. I don't think the signs in the Organ Mountains have any thing to do with Victorio Peak. I believe further research is necessary.

 

[Ophir - J de Molay]

Actually, the 'timeline troubles' may help to establish a chain of events, but not solve the riddle.

Very simply summarized, one speculative model is that: Solomon's people found Ophir in the American Southwest and exploited the existing storehouses of gold bullion there. Later, possibly beginning in Pre-Columbian times, but certainly during the Spanish Conquest and extending to today, an Organization reclaimed and/or added to and/or relocated the caches to more secure places, leaving enigmatic 'treasure signs', numerous 'treasure legends' and operatives to monitor/intervene in order to keep the caches secure. Victorio Peak is in the middle of the speculation, but all we know about it is circumstantial evidence, much of it lore surrounding Doc Noss.

If Solomon's people were here, we can't assume they left a trail of bread crumbs to Victorio Peak or anywhere else. That said, if they did leave petroglyphs or other rock structures, we have to assume those artifacts fit the era, even though language/alphabet nuances shouldn't be rejected when compared to the perfection of the scribes' work back in the Old World - after all, these were likely educated explorers, not scholars.

IMO, the 'Tanits' could indicate lots of things: unidentified diffusionist explorers following the 'Ophir days'; Knights Templars from the first millenium; recent Organization men who like to disguise their coded messages; or hoaxes.

I believe you are on the money with your knowledge. Just don't put too many pennies into the hole at Victorio Peak. It could cloud your judgment.

 

[mdog]

Mdog - thanks for the kind words, and unfortunately I do not have permission to give out the location of the Wyoming site. I hope to get my own photos of it some time, which I could then post. It is on private land in Weston county, and the owners do not like people trespassing. I probably should not have mentioned it yet.

Good luck and good hunting amigos, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
Oroblanco

Thanks Oro.

 

[treasminder2]

Thanks Oro.

while i was there , i gave open invitation to anyone who wished
to come see it first hand


now that i am gone from the area

everyone wants to show up

peeps are funny that way .

alright

I have given concise directions to the sites over the years in many post

dig those old post of mine up and go see what's there .


Seriously , I will not give certain info out , no bait will cause me to bite .


Personally , I evidenced all i wished to discover , my perspective : the legacy that was passed down through my linage was indeed a fact .

all i can offer you people , I already gave you .

I have already stated so much , that so few knew before I revealed it , and that's a blessing to those who were interested .

the disrespect , the arguments , or any crap at all ,

shows how people think .

take what you can and kick the giver is the ignorance of the self entitled

if any of you fit that profile , then wear it .

to the others

sorry man
no more can i do for you

it's a hell of a story

and living it was certainly a trip .

no regrets at all .

You each have your chance to live a dream .

just do not sleep through life while you dream it .