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Good morning TreasureNet Crew.
THE Random Chat Thread - AKA "The RCT" - No shirt or shoes required - Open 24 / 7
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WannaDig3687
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The boat is almost ready. Hubby’s first tournament is coming up. Grandson is going to be his partner this year. The derby starts in a couple weeks. Spring is coming! 🥳
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Mornin all, have a great one!
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mornin everybody - have the best day ever
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Mornin all.
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Beware I may include inaccuracies going by memory.
Peter Pepper. Indonesia and New York are related how?
Nutmeg helped take the stink out of souring /soured meat. In the 1600's that was a good thing.
Other uses existed as well .
Dutch monopoly on Nutmeg. Created by taking the Banda Island(s) in Indonesia by force and killing any male older than 15. And impaling village leaders heads on poles to discourage any survivors resistance.
Rather brutal by todays standards .
No viable seeds or plants allowed to be moved without permission under penalty of death.
(Seeds exported were drenched in lime to kill them.)
Nutmeg wars.
The English vs Dutch were probably only some of the contestants , including of course the Bandonese (sp.).
In time and following multiple wars and the warring desires cooling a bit the Dutch offered the English an island in a treaty that the English had illegally been occupying three years in exchange for the prized nutmeg island.
That island? New Amsterdam / Manhattan today.
But things were going on that would break the Dutch monopoly . During an English occupation of the prime island Nutmeg was carried away alive and established elsewhere.
Peter Poivre (Pepper) contributed greatly too.
A Frenchman become smuggler. Perhaps more for his interests in botany than wealth or dislike of the Dutch?
Anyway he smuggled seedlings to Africa , and from there to Grenada. Where they did great.
en.wikipedia.org
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Peter Pepper. Indonesia and New York are related how?
Nutmeg helped take the stink out of souring /soured meat. In the 1600's that was a good thing.
Other uses existed as well .
Dutch monopoly on Nutmeg. Created by taking the Banda Island(s) in Indonesia by force and killing any male older than 15. And impaling village leaders heads on poles to discourage any survivors resistance.
Rather brutal by todays standards .
No viable seeds or plants allowed to be moved without permission under penalty of death.
(Seeds exported were drenched in lime to kill them.)
Nutmeg wars.
The English vs Dutch were probably only some of the contestants , including of course the Bandonese (sp.).
In time and following multiple wars and the warring desires cooling a bit the Dutch offered the English an island in a treaty that the English had illegally been occupying three years in exchange for the prized nutmeg island.
That island? New Amsterdam / Manhattan today.
But things were going on that would break the Dutch monopoly . During an English occupation of the prime island Nutmeg was carried away alive and established elsewhere.
Peter Poivre (Pepper) contributed greatly too.
A Frenchman become smuggler. Perhaps more for his interests in botany than wealth or dislike of the Dutch?
Anyway he smuggled seedlings to Africa , and from there to Grenada. Where they did great.
Pierre Poivre - Wikipedia
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Ships at sea may have appreciated a bit of nutmeg , but it would be allspice used to "boucan" that pirates more certainly used.
Who was in on that spices trade?
[For centuries, Spaniards called allspice "pimiento," or pepper, and it's sometimes still referred to as Jamaican pepper today. Also, for hundreds of years, sailors used allspice berries to preserve meat onboard their ships; Mayans used it to embalm their leaders; the Arawak Indians of the Caribbeean used it to cure meats (what they would call boucan), and the pirates of the day were eventually called "boucaniers," which eventually became "buccaneers."]
Who was in on that spices trade?
[For centuries, Spaniards called allspice "pimiento," or pepper, and it's sometimes still referred to as Jamaican pepper today. Also, for hundreds of years, sailors used allspice berries to preserve meat onboard their ships; Mayans used it to embalm their leaders; the Arawak Indians of the Caribbeean used it to cure meats (what they would call boucan), and the pirates of the day were eventually called "boucaniers," which eventually became "buccaneers."]
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So not this Peter Pepper, right?
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Negative!
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Good morning all
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WannaDig3687
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Now this is some random chat. Thanks for teaching me something today.
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This painter mr WD hired is almost 70yrs old and he is a painting ninja in my book! He has the half bath, foyer, and 1/2 kitchen done. He is currently working on our bedroom. Amazing job ! I told him so, also.
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Last night in Florida.
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yesterday afternoon we had a V-shaped flock (20-25) large birds (5-7 ft wingspan) fly over northbound - they were low and loud and really bookin it - they are probably in canada by now - it was cool
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