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WannaDig3687
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All I have to say to that is go back to Edward l dirt, go low and slow, do a tad of gridding.
Oh I hate gridding. I'm a drunken sailor type guy.
But I do grid when gridding is needed.
Now have you tried spiral detecting?
X marks the last found target then spiral outwards.
blossom
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Alas Peps, due to the shortening daylight we must try a new patch nearer to base camp 😔 but there is talk of a site of a ditched enclosure in the field. So we may find something nice, Yes I’m a grid”er and a spiral’er he on the other hand wanders where the will takes him, he says it’s called channelling his in rome’en 🙄🙄 xx
WannaDig3687
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WannaDig3687
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I miss the occasional ads.
Gridding is just too disciplined, it's wonder that I do find anything from a gridder's point of view.
So I stick to the drunken sailer, then a spiral, more weaving bobbing, stagger, then when the targets get thin-grid he shite out of it.
blossom
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ah The pros and cons of each system are many, but As long as you can be out in beautiful countryside nd fresh air then it’s a win in my book x actually finding anything is a bonus!! Xx
Cross a half frozen river on Christmas evening at that!
Mornin all.
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Great morning everyone. Wishing everyone a good day.
Sharks no problem for me.
Though I looked for them when wading down South and on the West coast. Being salt water ,or near it.
Have spent untold hours watching fish eat. Hunt prey.
And worked to hook them on both natural and un natural prey.
Water clarity being diminished has been the downfall on some that struck reflexively when lateral lines were stimulated into reacting.
After all , no different than sharks ; if it doesn't feel or taste right after being mouthed enough it can be spit out. Otherwise go without.
Neutral fish take more to stimulate. Active fish on the prowl take less.
Fish actively feeding often do so with enthusiasm.
A ding a ling goldfish inhaling and spitting out aquarium gravel is just testing it.
Eventually something has to say swallow , right?
And I've seen gravel in trout stomachs. Bycatch to thier efforts is all.
A shark in active mode when life says it's time to eat is going to hunt for prey.
Shallow water and preyfish using it makes sense. Not that it has to to a shark if prey is shallow. Go pursue. You can smell and feel it exists.
Thump thump thump pulse detected. That's not waves. It's something alive.
Strike first when stimulated , ask questions later. Or go without.
"Steelhead" and other large trout in the great lakes can and do feed at times in a couple to three feet of water.
Waves crashing and stuff suspended and rolling about in pretty dang clean water.
Small prey darting around.
It's interesting how well they blend nd are hard to see , those bigger fish.
But they are there at times when prey is.
And what is prey to a fish determined to feed right now?
Something it can get a hold of for starters.
Oh I've watched some interesting events where a predatory specie eases around prey feeling it out.
And watched an example stir up prey while being selective about it. At least a couple well recalled cases.
But it's those that have exploded onto what was not seen enough to define as prey due to lateral line stimulation (thump or wiggle type vibration of a lure) that hint to me of shark behavior being pretty natural.
A frog thrown off a dock at night and the ploosh of it getting clobbered by a bass could be full stimulation caused by vibration , sight (of a silhouette) and perhaps smell near the last instant.
After all it can always be spit out.
Dogfish grabbing a gob of weeds on a lure being dragged on the surface of a weed mat don't see the lure or glob of weeds. But something is moving.
And they can always spit it out.
Catfish I had in a tank would scent minows added to feed them.
If minnows hung near the filters current they lived longer.
A minnow cruising the tank would be detected by it's moving.
And an active cat could cruise near it while seeking.
But once a cat touched a minnow with a whisker... Gulp!
Be in the water with an ancient formatted predator and don't expect to be anything greater than potential prey.
A neutral shark is not an active shark. Though species vary in temperament.
But a shark in feed mode is an eating machine. And humans are nothing more or less to them than frogs to bass up here. Or at least potential frogs.
Grab it and check it out. You can always spit it out if you don't want it.
That reflex is as old as...Sharks.
How many predators suit the habitats capacity depends on what the habitat is being maintained for. There is a capacity involved.
Or , nature can take it's course. Swings occur , but survivors continue to eat. That old reflex. Instinct preserving what exists of a predator bellies.
Feel that? It's alive. And about four /five foot long. Lots of wiggling but with a solid thump to it. Not like the past half hour of little baitfish.
Darkish colored in the wobbly water this shallow , but how much does color matter when it is wriggling like that? It's alive whatever it is.
Siltish smell is predominant here anyways so no sniffing once or twice up close is going to help. And it's being felt through the tingling lateral lines and multiple pores as getting farther away.
Already got it corralled towards shore...
But just enough room going shallow now and the water coming back is warmer too.
Better quick grab it and find out if it's edible before it changes into no grab available.
Though I looked for them when wading down South and on the West coast. Being salt water ,or near it.
Have spent untold hours watching fish eat. Hunt prey.
And worked to hook them on both natural and un natural prey.
Water clarity being diminished has been the downfall on some that struck reflexively when lateral lines were stimulated into reacting.
After all , no different than sharks ; if it doesn't feel or taste right after being mouthed enough it can be spit out. Otherwise go without.
Neutral fish take more to stimulate. Active fish on the prowl take less.
Fish actively feeding often do so with enthusiasm.
A ding a ling goldfish inhaling and spitting out aquarium gravel is just testing it.
Eventually something has to say swallow , right?
And I've seen gravel in trout stomachs. Bycatch to thier efforts is all.
A shark in active mode when life says it's time to eat is going to hunt for prey.
Shallow water and preyfish using it makes sense. Not that it has to to a shark if prey is shallow. Go pursue. You can smell and feel it exists.
Thump thump thump pulse detected. That's not waves. It's something alive.
Strike first when stimulated , ask questions later. Or go without.
"Steelhead" and other large trout in the great lakes can and do feed at times in a couple to three feet of water.
Waves crashing and stuff suspended and rolling about in pretty dang clean water.
Small prey darting around.
It's interesting how well they blend nd are hard to see , those bigger fish.
But they are there at times when prey is.
And what is prey to a fish determined to feed right now?
Something it can get a hold of for starters.
Oh I've watched some interesting events where a predatory specie eases around prey feeling it out.
And watched an example stir up prey while being selective about it. At least a couple well recalled cases.
But it's those that have exploded onto what was not seen enough to define as prey due to lateral line stimulation (thump or wiggle type vibration of a lure) that hint to me of shark behavior being pretty natural.
A frog thrown off a dock at night and the ploosh of it getting clobbered by a bass could be full stimulation caused by vibration , sight (of a silhouette) and perhaps smell near the last instant.
After all it can always be spit out.
Dogfish grabbing a gob of weeds on a lure being dragged on the surface of a weed mat don't see the lure or glob of weeds. But something is moving.
And they can always spit it out.
Catfish I had in a tank would scent minows added to feed them.
If minnows hung near the filters current they lived longer.
A minnow cruising the tank would be detected by it's moving.
And an active cat could cruise near it while seeking.
But once a cat touched a minnow with a whisker... Gulp!
Be in the water with an ancient formatted predator and don't expect to be anything greater than potential prey.
A neutral shark is not an active shark. Though species vary in temperament.
But a shark in feed mode is an eating machine. And humans are nothing more or less to them than frogs to bass up here. Or at least potential frogs.
Grab it and check it out. You can always spit it out if you don't want it.
That reflex is as old as...Sharks.
How many predators suit the habitats capacity depends on what the habitat is being maintained for. There is a capacity involved.
Or , nature can take it's course. Swings occur , but survivors continue to eat. That old reflex. Instinct preserving what exists of a predator bellies.
Feel that? It's alive. And about four /five foot long. Lots of wiggling but with a solid thump to it. Not like the past half hour of little baitfish.
Darkish colored in the wobbly water this shallow , but how much does color matter when it is wriggling like that? It's alive whatever it is.
Siltish smell is predominant here anyways so no sniffing once or twice up close is going to help. And it's being felt through the tingling lateral lines and multiple pores as getting farther away.
Already got it corralled towards shore...
But just enough room going shallow now and the water coming back is warmer too.
Better quick grab it and find out if it's edible before it changes into no grab available.
Mornin JVA!
Hey , peek in that pool before you just stroll nonchalantly along it's edge.
Could be crocs or gators in it!
Fished muskie awhile. Living on the shore of a lake with them in it. And another lake attached by channels.
Fish of a thousand casts they say.
But studied and proper timing , predators that attack when it's time.
Two in twenty minutes one morning. With ten of those minutes or more fighting the first.
A predator in the shallows with it's snout out of the water very slowly seining minnows from behind a school so not to rouse panic.
While another explodes on an adult duck in deeper water.
I was always waiting for one to mistake the flash of a palm or light colored under foot of mine while swimming or diving to be mistaken for a muskrat underbelly or duck. Wouldn't have blamed the predator.
But still . A shark twice my length? (Let alone smaller ones content with a chunk of anything when hungry enough or just stimulated).
Shark is going to shark.
I don't want to encounter the one out of however many that is determined to grab something.
So far so good. Helps not being anywhere near any..
I do recall the feeling though being in the ocean. Not fear. But of not being top predator.
Fear was the people screaming shark when some dolphins came in near shore.
But , they didn't want to get grabbed either.
Fish of a thousand casts they say.
But studied and proper timing , predators that attack when it's time.
Two in twenty minutes one morning. With ten of those minutes or more fighting the first.
A predator in the shallows with it's snout out of the water very slowly seining minnows from behind a school so not to rouse panic.
While another explodes on an adult duck in deeper water.
I was always waiting for one to mistake the flash of a palm or light colored under foot of mine while swimming or diving to be mistaken for a muskrat underbelly or duck. Wouldn't have blamed the predator.
But still . A shark twice my length? (Let alone smaller ones content with a chunk of anything when hungry enough or just stimulated).
Shark is going to shark.
I don't want to encounter the one out of however many that is determined to grab something.
So far so good. Helps not being anywhere near any..
I do recall the feeling though being in the ocean. Not fear. But of not being top predator.
Fear was the people screaming shark when some dolphins came in near shore.
But , they didn't want to get grabbed either.
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Glad we don't have that problem here in California lol. The most I've seen in the pool is an occasional bat falls in
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Thank you Pepper, hope your day has been going well
Someone in a former neighborhood I lived in found an arrow stuck in the bottom of his pool.
To stand on site and try to figure out how the arrow got there at that angle.....
Made one wonder.
One little ceramic thing of water out front gets consumed without my seeing the critters involved. Too fast to just be drying up at times.
If bats they are welcomed. I only see one around lately.
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