the priest map or witch map

[wrmickel1]

Homar

I do agree to a point, It's someone's theory, what I find interesting is they tied it to 1. Now there's no reason for that if it was a theory with no inside knowledge. The PMS does not tie the one to the witch map.

Now you must travel to 1 to get to the witch,
Kinda a coincidence, I think not. Cause know one knows what 1 is expect me. So I find that map interesting on who made it, When it was made ect. And I got concrete proof its a Jesuit thing but I'll never swear to it.


Wrmickel1

 

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[nobodie]

To many people have written books or tell stories of their own interpretations of clues or maps, twisting or leaving things out. I would like to just see the clues or the maps so that I could make my own decisions. If I could see a map that I have never seen before, that would be great. I could make my own decisions of if it fits my area. I know that there are missing information from the stone maps.

 

[azdave35]

That "map" is just someone's theory of what the PSM's represent. It would only confuse you more.

When I first found out about the PSM's, I happened to look at somebody's interpretation, and it took me a while before I could think on my own. My first thought's were that the horse was the Pegasus Constellation, and the cross was Cygnus, the Northern Cross.

I had figured that when Enif, the nose of Pegasus, touched the horizon, he would be grazing North of the river, and one could use his heart to locate the mine somehow. Maybe that's why Travis had those star charts himself trying to make sense of the PSM's. Others have all things Jesuit gathered in their files as they try to make sense of the PSM's. It also took me a while to shake Pegasus, trust me, the PSM's have nothing to do with stars, or the Jesuits.

Homar P. Olivarez

the expert has spoken...

 

[EarnieP]

Homar

I do agree to a point, It's someone's theory, what I find interesting is they tied it to 1. Now there's no reason for that if it was a theory with no inside knowledge. The PMS does not tie the one to the witch map.

Now you must travel to 1 to get to the witch,
Kinda a coincidence, I think not. Cause know one knows what 1 is expect me. So I find that map interesting on who made it, When it was made ect. And I got concrete proof its a Jesuit thing but I'll never swear to it.


Wrmickel1

Wonder how long the name "First Water" has been in use?

 

[azdave35]

Wonder how long the name "First Water" has been in use?

first water has been in use many years...tom kollenborn would be the man that knows for sure...on topo maps from the early 1900's first water creek was known as willow springs creek

 

[EarnieP]

Thanks Dave. I thought maybe the Dutchman had used the term in his clues.
But I might be confusing that with an old episode of a 'Ruff and Ready' cartoon?

 

[wrmickel1]

EarnieP

Just as long as second water I guess. Your point is. I don't know. [emoji3]

Your mixing Dutchman clues in to the PSM's
That don't work because the Dutchman never had them. I never spent a day looking for the Dutchman's mine. And the Stones never mention first or second water. That part of the problem with finding your mark!

I'm pretty hardcore if it's not physical there it's not a clue. The whole system is faith based. Now how would a heathen like me do it. That's might be the key, because (HINT)
Those furthest from God are the closes to God. A black magic priest, A pig to mark a mine, The alter outside a mine. These were all things to use to keep a priest Holly, yet still conduct the churches will on the fringes of a sin.

Wrmickel1

 

[nobodie]

I agree, the stone maps have nothing to do with the stars. The trail maps are just that a trail with directional markers on ridges. Each X points to a marker, each of those markers are at the head of a canyon. The X is a canyon, I have never looked around the canyons. Too busy looking for the LDM. THINGS have been left out that shows the treasure, the mines, the sleeping woman and other important things not shown. The priest stone shows what to look for when standing in front of the treasure. SACRED GROUND, I won't touch it.

 

[wrmickel1]

Nobodie

I'll touch it, first have to find it.[emoji15][emoji106]

Wrmickel1

 

[azdave35]

Thanks Dave. I thought maybe the Dutchman had used the term in his clues.
But I might be confusing that with an old episode of a 'Ruff and Ready' cartoon?

earnie....i dont believe anything was known as first water when the dutchman was alive....today we have first water trailhead..named after the nearby first water ranch...which is named after first water creek

 

[somehiker]

Priest map or witch map?. Or; maybe which witch priest map? I report you decide, heheehhehehehe

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or maybe this one

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A shadow version of Barry Storm's priest.....circa 1967.

Linda's contribution.......

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb...mitchell/Storm (Treasure Hunter Magazine).pdf

I have two versions of maps on file with this illustration on them....." heheehhehehehe "....so you decide
But I've never wasted any time in trying to follow them.

 

[nobodie]

If you brought a small army, they will bring a bigger one, and it won't be like the pipeline protests. They are serious about protecting the site.

 

[wrmickel1]

What you mean out of state white people. That's what's at the pipeline protest. I would know I live right here in ND! Or the 100 Indian protesters.

Wrmickel1

 

[wrmickel1]

There's a big difference in the witch maps, The latter shows the trail starts from 1.

Is that one a Storm map.

Wrmickel1

 

[nobodie]

Dead serious.

 

[somehiker]

I agree, the stone maps have nothing to do with the stars. The trail maps are just that a trail with directional markers on ridges. Each X points to a marker, each of those markers are at the head of a canyon. The X is a canyon, I have never looked around the canyons. Too busy looking for the LDM. THINGS have been left out that shows the treasure, the mines, the sleeping woman and other important things not shown. The priest stone shows what to look for when standing in front of the treasure. SACRED GROUND, I won't touch it.

Don't know about everything else, but the "sleeping woman" does seem to be closely related to what I am working with at this time.
Since the Pima "sleeping squaw/sleeping lady" treasure story may not IMO relate specifically to the LDM or any other mine, and the SL map does not look anything like a sleeping woman, why call it the "sleeping lady" ?
Perhaps a likeness of such is one of the precious artifacts or even a religious relic, such as that mentioned once by Fr. Kino in a letter to another member of the SJ.
That, along with a few items on Fr. Polzer's wish list, would make for a nice find.

 

[somehiker]

There's a big difference in the witch maps, The latter shows the trail starts from 1.

Is that one a Storm map.

Wrmickel1

Of course there's a difference. Just as there is with all of the maps drawn by different folks who, like Travis, have tried to figure the stones....or "rocks" out.
I can't say if either of these versions of the "shadow priest" map....as I call them....were made by Storm. But it wouldn't surprise me if at least one had been made by an acquaintance of his.

 

[nobodie]

The LDM is between and to the left of the fifth and sixth markers on the stone maps. Treasure, Sleeping woman, and the 25+ mines that were used are about a mile away. The Jesuit treasure is right near each other. I don't know if the SW is a separate treasure or part the Jesuit treasure. I thought about digging it up until I realized it's being watched. An old partner of mine came to me a couple of weeks ago and wanted to dig it up. I reminded him about the guardian of the site, he backed down.

 

[somehiker]

We must be talking about two different places, nobodie.
Either that, or them guardians must want me around out there for some reason.
'sides, the money their casinos bring in every year would make all this seem like chump change.

 

[nobodie]

Most likely different areas, they're watching not for the money. I believe it is a sacred burial site, I believe people may disappear for digging at it. Be careful.