The Peralta Stones

[cactusjumper]

Paul,

[Hi Oro - has the stone that the Dillman's claim to have found ever been shown publicly anywhere? I was trying to recall if they even actually found it in the Superstitions and it pointed them to their site in Utah, or if they used the known Peralta Stones to identify their Utah site and then found the 5th stone there.

My memory sucks on stuff like this that I'm only casually interested in.

Other than the family selling their DVD about the stones pointing to Montezuma's Treasure, I haven't heard a thing about them in a couple years - how bout you or anyone else?]

When the Dillman's first started hawking their DVD, they contacted me, probably along with everyone else, and tried to get me to buy it. I declined and have never looked back and regretted it.

Since they believe the Stone Maps, including theirs (I believe) lead to Montezuma's treasure, I do wonder who they think created the tablets. I don't believe anyone has ever examined the artifacts they claim to have found, but I could be wrong.

I wouldn't buy the DVD, and I don't buy their story. But that's just my personal opinion.

Take care,

Joe

 

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[cactusjumper]

David,

I don't know why it's taken you so long to answer such a simple question, so I will give you the answer. The building is to the south of your "priest" and the vein runs in a southerly direction. It starts a few hundred feet from the south side of the building and runs for hundreds of yards.

You will never find anything in those mountains if you can't find that.

Joe Ribaudo

 

[Oroblanco]

Santa FE NM - what the heck are you posting? Is this something we are supposed to have neato 3-D cardboard glasses to fully appreciate? Or does it require six Wyoming shots of Mexican tequila to get the full effect? Man, amigo I wish you would take a look at those pix without any 3-D glasses on to see what I am talking about - it will give you a headache quick!

You didn't answer my question either amigo.

Quinan Bear - thank you for explaining; the "fifth Peralta" stone was found in recent years by the Dillmans, in the Superstitions, and they have stated this 5th stone really changes how you should interpret ALL the others. I just wondered if you had compared it with the other four, and factored in the changes. I don't have a photo of it, if anyone is about to ask, sorry.

Good luck and good hunting amigos, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
Oroblanco

Hi Oro - has the stone that the Dillman's claim to have found ever been shown publicly anywhere? I was trying to recall if they even actually found it in the Superstitions and it pointed them to their site in Utah, or if they used the known Peralta Stones to identify their Utah site and then found the 5th stone there.

My memory sucks on stuff like this that I'm only casually interested in.

Other than the family selling their DVD about the stones pointing to Montezuma's Treasure, I haven't heard a thing about them in a couple years - how bout you or anyone else?

Hola amigo Cubfan <and everyone>,

The Dillmans claimed they found the fifth Peralta stone in the Superstitions, and "hinted" at the end of their DVD that it leads them back to the Superstitions. Not having been present when it was found, I can't really say where it was found or if they just carved it in the garage with an electric drill. As far as I know, the only way to get a peek at it is to buy their DVD, and they don't exactly let you get a zoomed-in look at it.

I have not heard a word of anything since that DVD came out. As far as I know, no one has ever gone to examine their Utah site, though in my opinion the artifacts they did find are not exactly Aztec nor necessarily an indicator of hidden treasures nearby - at least not the metallic type of treasures.

Oh and Mike - there is quite a difference between a copper scroll and stone tablets. A copper scroll can be easily rolled up, carried, packed, hidden etc, unlike stone tablets. In fact the Copper Scroll was found rolled up and hidden, and had to be cut apart as it would not unroll. Not a good comparison IMO. Stone tablets normally are carved so that they can be displayed, openly, like in monuments etc which is why we still have the code of Hammurabi after 3800 years. This in itself is a clue about the stone tablets that no one seems to take notice of.

Good luck and good hunting amigos, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
Oroblanco

 

[ghostdog]

Qbear, got home from work ,and I am in a cantakerous mood,and feel like posting. I do give you some points for being bold enough to put your cards on the mtn,however how you gonna do anything while you are in Nova Scrotum.You really have to get off your high pony and move to Apache J,or there abouts .Talk is jeep.Maybe CatusJ can find you a oldminers shak to stay while you plow the mtn. As for the mtn minder Scott Woods,it is his job to read all proposals to open up any parts of the mnts, and you dont need anyone else to review your application,thats plain hogwash.Gollums. It is my belief if he is not stamping a few approveals a year ,he is not doing his job. Now as far as the Church relics issues, I still feel I know where oldman Kino stashed a box of friggin goodies,an it is close to Tumincari. Get me a permit,pay my way there,provide some booz,viagra and a couple of hookers,a percentage release from the godammed govt,and were in business.

 

[Old Dog]

Hey QBear,

Can ya tell when an old timer has had his fill?

Maybe you just saw it.

 

[Peerless67]

however how you gonna do anything while you are in Nova Scrotum.

C'mon thats just bollocks.

You really have to get off your high pony and move to Apache J,or there abouts

Problem is not the pony, its a computer.

As for the mtn minder Scott Woods,it is his job to read all proposals to open up any parts of the mnts, and you dont need anyone else to review your application,thats plain hogwash.Gollums. It is my belief if he is not stamping a few approveals a year ,he is not doing his job.

Honestly if you look back through the archives of the LDM forum and see the kind of evidence Scott recieves, he would be out of a job granting permits to some of these loons.

Get me a permit,pay my way there,provide some booz,viagra and a couple of hookers,a percentage release from the godammed govt,and were in business.

Whoaaa cowboy, watch out for that viagra...I once got one caught in my throat...gave me a stiff neck for a week

I hope you have a better day today


Gary

 

[Quinan Bear]

OK

Let's put it this way guys.
I have studied the stones and the land. I have found the place that they were when they made the stones and where the stones reveal a few mines or storage spots. Each place is marked by three stones in the position of a triangle. 11 spots and 11 triangles. All lines and the whole horse, can be seen easily and you can even see the lines,cracks,faults and rock zones that they used to create this map, that they didn't want to be found but if it ever was?, would be difficult to understand unless they could possibly see the same things as he did and in order to do that they would have to be at the same place where the stone was made.

Here are pics of the Horse stone over layed on the ground and looking from Weaver's needle. If you want to be able to fade this pic yourself, then give me your email and I will send you the file. This way you can also zoom in to get a better view.

 

[Cubfan64]

I'm really sorry QB, but I just don't see anything in that set of google earth landscape photos resembling the stone. The only one you've posted that at least looked to have some possibility was the Priest holding the cross, but even that one was a stretch.

I wish you luck in getting your permit, I'm afraid you're going to need it.

 

[BILL96]

quinn,
Have you made any attempt to decode any of the writing on the stones?
Bill

 

[Quinan Bear]

It's OK if you don't see it. I don't relay care about the permit. I have found a place that matches these maps. I have posted them to show you. I have sent them to the Tonto national park office. I don't care if you or them, believe me or not.

This forum is here to post peoples thoughts and findings and have others see it and post their thoughts. I have done this. whether or not you believe in it, is no real concern of mine. you all know it was me that showed you this first. that's good enough for me. If at some point in the future, these places specific places that I showed you, are found to indeed hold mines and caches? All I can say is "I told you so". If this never comes to be? No harm done...
I have not shown you or TNP, all the maps, as I see them. The Heart Stone, holds the location of a large vaulted cave that is listed as "Golden Cave or Cave of Gold". I believe that this place is where the natives took all the gold and hid it, after removing all signs of gold being in the Superstitions. These other places on the maps are just mines and small caches. Nothing like what the vault has. I will tell you that this vault is under a granite ledge.

There are many tales of the Superstition Mountains about the gold and Apaches, the peraltas and those in search of the LDM. Some are from Apaches and others from prospectors and treasure hunters.
It's funny... With so many tales being told of gold in those mountains throughout the years. I am certain that there is some truths to the idea that gold does exist in those mountains.

These are just my thoughts on the Idea that the stones are real. that's all. nothing to do with the LDM. You can believe what you want. Just because I don't tell you everything about me, or my knowledge of the place, doesn't mean that I don't know anything.

 

[Quinan Bear]

Bill;

Yes. I have gone that road along my search but found this to be useful only for those that are walking the trail, to see certains markers from certain places. Look at the pics, you can see them in the land. I can always send you the file, so that you can realy look at this from every angle and zoom.

Have you researched the rock layers,mountains,faults,cracks and lay out of the Superstitions ? To find what they found. You must see the land as they did. Look for the same tell tale signs as they did. Put youself in their time and in their shoes. Maybe then you will see.

 

[Quinan Bear]

Here is a close up of the five dots around the #5. one of the stones location and one of the land itself. Notice how at each place, the faults intersect there. like it was folding in on itself there.

This is from the horse map.

 

[Quinan Bear]

If you look closely, you will see a tall stone that sticks out from the rest, next to where the "5" is. I believe that this point is the marker and that the main mine is where the 5 and that stone are and the others are just off shoots of the same veins.

 

[cactusjumper]

David,

"Just because someone built a building there, doesn't mean that there is not a vein near there."


I agree completely. Let us know when you find that building, as I believe it's the key to your theories. If you do find it, you may be able to find this as well:

Joe

 

[Quinan Bear]

David,

"Just because someone built a building there, doesn't mean that there is not a vein near there."


I agree completely. Let us know when you find that building, as I believe it's the key to your theories. If you do find it, you may be able to find this as well:

Joe

Need i say more? Just because that mine shaft is there, doesn't mean it's the right one or even on the same vein for that matter. I have seen many places around here that have other veins near by but just not the same amount of gold in them. Some of these veins can be within a few feet from each other, to 100's of feet away. I have no interest in your lemonade stand, but I know that if I want to make lemonade, I have to squeeze a few lemons. No matter who's lemons I squeeze...

 

[cactusjumper]

David,

"I have no interest in your lemonade stand...."

Well you should! It get's damn hot in those mountains and the shade on that porch might come in handy some day. Beyond that, you may not have noticed that it's also an "Information Center". You can get advise, LDM maps and snake bite kits there as well.

They also have the odd groceries and camping supplies. Haven't been there since 2004, and it was a bit run down then, but it's a pretty old building. I have another picture somewhere and will post it when I find it.



Joe

 

[cactusjumper]

David,

One other thing........I don't think you can get this close with Google Earth, or even close enough to locate the site, but a number of people believe it's the LDM. I know they were trying to get a permit, but last I heard it was a no go.

These guys would be the perfect match for a partnership with you. If you like, I will try to put you in touch with one of them. The site was very hard for them to find, so they have the skills you need.

Good luck,

Joe

 

[Quinan Bear]

Just to settle this stand dispute.
I am not positive, but I think this is the area that you are talking about. If it is and these guys you speak of are interested. I know where there are mines quite close to there that I am certain of. (not shown here). there are three nice (red)spots here that I listed and the (yellow=) lemonade stand. I am I right?

The second pic shows faults(light blue), cracks(pink), rock layer(blue), stand(yellow) and places of interest(red). the large red circle is one of the spots that I looked at as being the place where the lost dutchman's mine was, now I believe otherwise, but not sure on either.

 

[cactusjumper]

David,

Wow! That's a pretty good picture. You can actually see the trail going right up to the front door.

Let me know when you are ready to go in, and I will clue you in on what code words are needed to get the storekeep to give you the good stuff. Due to the lack of traffic in that area, the lemonade tends to get a little.....stale. Once Big Mike knows you are OK, he will bring out the freshest brew.

At the same time, I will clue you in on how to find that mine in my picture. You will need to start all over again, but........Well you will see what I mean when the time comes.

Good luck, and don't forget me when you hit the big one out of the park.

Joe Ribaudo

 

[Quinan Bear]

Thank you.
You tell big mike that if he wants to know of a mine that I am SURE of, to get ahold of me. He is very close to the area shown on the Heart stone. He might want to hear what I have to say.


If they think that this is the LDM, have they located his partner's grave which was buried near by?