The Peralta Stones

[Quinan Bear]

Ghostdog;

Thanks for the reply. I have heard of the park closing down and know of the others that are into illegal activities in the Mountains.
This ilegal activity will soon end. those that are taking ore from these mines that are shown on the Stones, will HAVE TO find a legal way of getting rich. These places have been a secret and have been exploited for too long. It's time to show these places and protect them. If that means stepping on other peoples toes, then so be it.
Like I said earlier, it's time that the ilegal stuff stops and time for these places to become public knowledge. I am going to reveal these sites and I don't care who gets pissed off that they lost their oppertunity to get rich quik from these places.

You menssioned a missing person. this person went looking for these places and may be dead because of them, it's time for these things to stop. NO gold is worth killing over or losing your life looking for it.

I don't know what will happen once these places are know. they may close these places off from the public or they may open them up and allow people to visit and see them. This is none of my concern.
Sure I would like for them to open them up to the public, but It's really their choice and I will except whatever choice they make, WILL YOU

 

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[Peerless67]

Would it be possible to get a treasure trove permit, for the Church Treasure? (It has church reliquaries, along with gold, silver and jewels).

What is the name and address of the person in charge of the Tonto National Park?

Anything else that you might think of, for me to do before these places are all found, would be appreciated. I want this to be done right but don't know alot about the legal affairs of the state and it's laws concerning this find.

The person you would need to deal with for a trove permit is Scott Wood, however I can tell you that you will not be entertained without good evidence and I would hazzard a guess that google images are just not gonna cut it.
You can locate a thread within the LDM forums dealing with trove permits, actually Scott Wood himself started the thread if you wish to read it there is more info there.
In any case he left his telephone number and email address.

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,59828.0.html

602 225-5231 and e-mail is [email protected].

 

[Quinan Bear]

Thanks for the info..
I have sent messages to Mr. Scott and the Tonto National Park service.
I will keep you informed of the out come.

If it turns out that I can't get a treasure trove lisence for the church treasure or for what is in the Vault, then that's fine with me. like I said, I am not interested in the mines or the gold within, althought I will try to aquire a treasure trove permit, it is not something that I really need to get. The recognition of being the one that solved the stones and proved them to be authentic is all I really want but it would be nice to own a bit of the treasure or even some gold ore for a saulvenier.

Thanks again for the help.

 

[cactusjumper]

Gary,

Things like this have slowed down a bit for Scott, but I don't imagine you will be on his Christmas card list for pointing David in his direction.

On the other hand, considering the limited "research" Mr. Bear has done, I am amazed at how much he has gleaned from Google Earth pictures. For instance, one wonders how he can tell the sites have been subject to:

"This ilegal activity will soon end. those that are taking ore from these mines that are shown on the Stones, will HAVE TO find a legal way of getting rich. These places have been a secret and have been exploited for too long. It's time to show these places and protect them. If that means stepping on other peoples toes, then so be it.
Like I said earlier, it's time that the ilegal stuff stops and time for these places to become public knowledge. I am going to reveal these sites and I don't care who gets pissed off that they lost their oppertunity to get rich quik from these places."

What is there on the Stone Maps that speaks of: ".......... Church Treasure? (It has church reliquaries, along with gold, silver and jewels)".
How did Mr. Bear come to be so....schmart? Other than being a long time outdoorsman, what is there in his background that enables him to figure out all these mysteries? Has he figured out exactly how many actual stones there are? He has shown eight separate stones in his list:

[Oroblanco;
You asked if I read all the stones ?
Well, lets see.
(1) The Horse Stone ................................................. ..................................Read and Marked
(2) The Priest Stone ................................................. ..................................Read and Marked
(3) The lower trail Stone ................................................. ...........................Read and marked
(4) The Upper trail Stone ................................................. ..........................Read and Marked
(5) The Heart Stone with numbers.......................................... ....................Not read
(6) The Heart Stone with Latin words............................................ .............Read and Marked
(7) The Cross stone with maps ................................................. .................Not Read
(8} The Cross Stone with words ................................................. ................Not Read

OK, not all the stones, but the ones that I didn't read, just show the same places.
I must admit some Stones were very hard to read and figure out all the markers. It will take someone there (my partners) to give me better pics/views to pin point things more better for documentation.]

Since this has been a "long distance" search for David, what books has he read on the subject?

If he is aware of Dillman's "find", why did he leave out the treasure the man is seeking? Surely there is some sign of that on his Google Earth pictures. Can he describe the "church reliquaries"? If he has not "read" all of the stones, how can he say they "just show the same places"?

If the "evidence" he has presented here is what he will be showing Scott, he's in for a bumpy ride.

Just a few of the questions that have come to mind. There are many more.

David,

Would you care to address some of my questions?

Take care,

Joe

 

[Quinan Bear]

JOE;
Although you failed to answer me about you filling a claim or registering your find of the mine that you show in your pics of those mineralized rocks. I will humor you.

You asked, what books I have read in concerns of this discovery. well i have read a few, but as you and I both know. These books were made by people that NEVER found the sites in question and who do nothing but speculate. So why would I take their interpritations as being right? I did however, listen to the stories that tell where to look, where to go and what to look for.
My back ground has no revelance, to me being able to read the stones.
What Mr.Scott will think of my claims, is none of your business. It is between him and I. The same goes for the Tonto National Park.

If in fact, I cannot get these discoveries registered and have my name added as the one that solved them. Then I will be more then glad to give you and everyone else that is on the forums that I am on, all my findings and then it will be more dificult to hide their find, cause everyone will know where it is.
So either way, the areas will be known and it will not be me that will lose. I will at the least show everyone the secrets of the stones and that is what I want.
In concern to your question about me claiming that there are people that plunder these sites. I am sure you have heard of people finding gold up in those mountains and going there every now and then to get more. Others finding something and going back to get more and never to be seen from again.

 

[cactusjumper]

David,

"JOE;
Although you failed to answer me about you filling a claim or registering your find of the mine that you show in your pics of those mineralized rocks. I will humor you.

You asked, what books I have read in concerns of this discovery. well i have read a few, but as you and I both know. These books were made by people that NEVER found the sites in question and who do nothing but speculate. So why would I take their interpritations as being right? I did however, listen to the stories that tell where to look, where to go and what to look for.
My back ground has no revelance, to me being able to read the stones.
What Mr.Scott will think of my claims, is none of your business. It is between him and I. The same goes for the Tonto National Park.

If in fact, I cannot get these discoveries registered and have my name added as the one that solved them. Then I will be more then glad to give you and everyone else that is on the forums that I am on, all my findings and then it will be more dificult to hide their find, cause everyone will know where it is.
So either way, the areas will be known and it will not be me that will lose. I will at the least show everyone the secrets of the stones and that is what I want.
In concern to your question about me claiming that there are people that plunder these sites. I am sure you have heard of people finding gold up in those mountains and going there every now and then to get more. Others finding something and going back to get more and never to be seen from again."

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I guess I just missed your first question. There is no registering or claims to be filed in the Superstition Wilderness Area.....as far as I know.

Many of the books you denigrate were written by people who spent years researching the background and evidence/history that went into their books. The true value of such book is the shortcuts it provides for those who take the time to study their work. In addition, it helps many people avoid mistakes, such as you are constantly making here.

"....people that NEVER found the sites in question and who do nothing but speculate."

That statement fits you to a "T". You have found...........NOTHING, but you have speculated a great deal.

It's more than obvious that you did not come here for help or advise, but simply to advertise your superiority over all who have searched before YOU.

We appreciate you helping us all see the light, and you did a nice job of dancing around my questions.

Good Luck,

Joe

 

[Peerless67]

Gary,

Things like this have slowed down a bit for Scott, but I don't imagine you will be on his Christmas card list for pointing David in his direction.

Hi Joe, I know Scott has much more important things to deal with. However he did leave his contact details on the thread he created so they are already in the public domain.
I did also mention in the above post that bear was unlikely to be entertained without decent evidence, the reason I made that comment is because I have recently exchanged some emails with Scott on an unrelated matter and in one of his replies he basically said as much.
Before making a trove claim bear would certainly be advised to gather stronger evidence than google images. I also made a point of letting him know there was a thread that dealt with the process and suggested he might read it ...... you can lead a horse to water .... and all that.


EDIT here is the quote from the email from Scott, I will only add this snippet since I would prefer that the contents of the discussion remain private.

What I can tell you is that the issuance of treasure trove permits is as rare as hens teeth for the simple reason that most applicants are unable to provide the compelling evidence required for the issuance of such permits

Gary

 

[Quinan Bear]

Peerless;

Thanks for the heads up. So let me get this straight. It's Scott himself that issues these permits?

When I present my facts to whomever it is, they will surely see that I have a case that is hard to deny. When I show the horse in the landscape and overlay it with the stone map and they see the whole map in its place on the land in ways that will amaze them I'm sure. As I keep telling you all, I can show ALL the details that are found on the stone maps, on the land itself, with accuracy. I will also say (with confidence) that the Horse map shows 11 mines.

If you think that there is something of value in those books that others have published, then wait for the one that tells this story. It will tell of the landmarks and the journeys of many before, just like all the rest but this one will also tell you where they truly are and show pics of each one.

 

[cactusjumper]

Gary,

Sorry, I should have put a few in there for clarity. When Scott tells you about the crazy things he has had to put up with over the years, you just can't help feeling sorry for him. I should think his eyes should be permanently bugging out of his head by now. If not, Mr. Bear may be the one to put him over the top.

Sorry David, we are just calling a spade a spade here. As someone who doesn't care who's toes he steps on, you should be able to understand where we are coming from. Rather than continue feeding this farce, believe I will add you to Sante Fe's collection.

Take care,

Joe Ribaudo

 

[Peerless67]

Peerless;

Thanks for the heads up. So let me get this straight. It's Scott himself that issues these permits?

When I present my facts to whomever it is, they will surely see that I have a case that is hard to deny. When I show the horse in the landscape and overlay it with the stone map and they see the whole map in its place on the land in ways that will amaze them I'm sure. As I keep telling you all, I can show ALL the details that are found on the stone maps, on the land itself, with accuracy. I will also say (with confidence) that the Horse map shows 11 mines.

If you think that there is something of value in those books that others have published, then wait for the one that tells this story. It will tell of the landmarks and the journeys of many before, just like all the rest but this one will also tell you where they truly are and show pics of each one.

In that case may I suggest that you first obtain your pictures and other evidence before you burden the forrestry service with an application that would be doomed to fail without the said evidence.
You see there is another problem with the stone maps....not everyone believes they are genuine.
You could do a lot worse than have Joe, Oro and other posters on this thread on side as they have a wealth of knowledge on the subject, something I am unable to help you with as I am no more than a spectator on the LDM forums, my treasure interests are elsewhere.
I just like the LDM history and the best people to learn that from are the same ones that you are crossing swords with.
Good luck with your research.

 

[Peerless67]

Joe, I saw the without them being there.
I can only imagine the stress Scott goes through when such applications are made. Personally in his shoes I dont think I could have continued after the BB episode


Gary

 

[Quinan Bear]

Cactusjumper;

It's all good Joe, I see your point about not believing in what you have been shown, but what I truly know is more then what I tell.
Think of it. I came on here claiming that I could read the Stones and that I was looking for help from someone down there that could help me record and document these places.
Now you come on the forum and ask for me to show you and everyone else my proof. Now what i did show you, was a mine site but not one that is on the stones. it was found on another map. I just though that if you really wanted to see for yourself that I was on to something or not. you would have gone there and found that mine. then things would perhaps get on the go for my quest and you would all join me in this historic event. Instead, you want me to post my findings. I want to do this right and legal as far as State laws go. Not give all you guys my information and hope for the best.....
I'm afraid that is not going to happen in this case. BUT, if I can't get this done right and nobody will help, then you all can have my information and you can do what you want with it, just don't forget who gave you this information.

With all that said, thanks for the post and we will see who gets the last laugh....

 

[Quinan Bear]

OK OK OK...

You want to see what I know? What it is, I have discovered? Ok sure why not? Let's see what you all think of this.

Here is ONE stone map that I will give to you all. If this doesn't tell you something then nothing will.

ThIs is The Priest Stone Map. Him holding the large cross, is obvious.
Now to read the map properly; You see an arch, just after the large cross then a ring, a cross that is circled and then another arch, a ring and a heart with a "+" in the center.
The arches represent the ends of the Mountain Range. At the far end is The cross is on it's side and is circled to show you that it is found in a particular rock type and the mines location. At the near end, is the heart with a "+" in the center, this is another mine location. the ring to the left is yet another mine location.

Now if you think that this is something ? then just wait till you see the Horse and Heart maps....

NOW PROVE ME WRONG!!!!!

 

[Goodyguy]

Amazing

I'm impressed!

That may well be proof for the inspiration of the priest stone.
However it still doesn't prove any gold is there.
And the heart is just superimposed over a hill ....I don't see a heart there in the landscape.

The only proof that the stone maps are treasure maps will be the treasure itself. I'm just sayin'

GG~

 

[cactusjumper]

David,

"I just though that if you really wanted to see for yourself that I was on to something or not. you would have gone there and found that mine."

I have not been in the Superstitions since 2004, and doubt I will ever go in again. Too many years of over the top physical labor have taken their toll on my body. On the other hand, I do still enjoy watching from the sidelines and putting in my two-cents now and again.

You say: "Now what i did show you, was a mine site but not one that is on the stones. it was found on another map." That's like me showing you a map of the world and saying I have shown you thousands of mines. The only person who can say there is a mine in your picture is you. What I can tell you is in your picture, and you seem to be unable to see it, is a lemonade stand that was set up by the Forestry for the older hikers in the mountains. The drinks are quite good and they haul ice in with mules all through the summer months.

I would suggest that you try another angle with Google Earth, as you may need the service if you ever attempt to go to your sites. It's located in a little grove of lemon trees, watered by a year-round spring which makes the greenies job much easier. Here's a picture to make your job easier:

Photo courtesy of Tom Kollenborn

Good luck,

Joe

 

[Quinan Bear]

GoodGuy;

I know, I may have messed up on the heart but if you look for a slightly smaller hear just a little to the left, I'm sure you will see it. just follow the same rock cropping that is at the mine by the circled cross. this is the mineralised zone.
As far as these Stones revealing treasure. I would have to say, not all have treasure, but im sure the veins will be there, although they might be tapped out. The only way to be sure, is to go and look. The Heart Map does list a "Gold Cave", so there may be a treasure in there.

Please keep in mind that these pics were done over a year ago. I should redo it to be more accurate, i know.

 

[Quinan Bear]

Peerless;

Just because someone built a building there, doesn't mean that there is not a vein near there.

Look at the land there. you will see the faults and the changes in rock. This is a different type of gold formation as the one you see from the priest map. that's right, two different ways that gold occures. I believe that this area holds a very rich vein. you need to read the land to find it though, because it was hid many years ago.

 

[Goodyguy]

GoodGuy;

I know, I may have messed up on the heart but if you look for a slightly smaller hear just a little to the left, I'm sure you will see it. just follow the same rock cropping that is at the mine by the circled cross. this is the mineralised zone.

After re-looking the landscape I believe I do see the heart.......probably appears distorted due to Google earth.

 

[Quinan Bear]

GG;
I had marked that place because of the way the rock curved and the valleys were shaped.

Oh!.... Thanks!

 

[Oroblanco]

Quinan Bear, I have to ask you a couple of questions here.

First, you have mentioned that you have a wealth of prospecting experience. Do you trust Google Earth pix so much, (as you do in your theory as presented here) that you do not feel it necessary to do any sampling on the ground? Is this how you have prospected across Canada? Or have you gone in with rock hammer, sample bags, pick, shovel and pan, and gotten samples in the areas you have prospected?

Next, if you are that sure of what you have discovered, what prevents you from taking the trip to go and field-check it, boots on the ground? I can tell you this, if I were as cock-sure certain of having found something like a mine or treasure vault as you say you are, I would find a way to get there. Yes it costs money to travel, but a guy can do it "on the cheap" by camping rather than motels, cook your food rather than restaurants, and driving yourself. It is a long drive from Nova Scotia to Arizona, but I have made the trip from NE PA to Arizona a number of times (and farther) so it can be done, even make it a pleasant trip if you don't push yourself too danged hard. What I am asking is why you don't just go to the Superstitions and prove what you claim by exposing the mines, get some photos of the treasure vault etc. I am sure you could find someone here who lives near the Supers if you wanted a partner to accompany you.

I wish you luck in getting your permits; remember the Forest Service demands compelling evidence, not just some satellite photos. It is not a personal whim of some FS employee, those are the rules which are intended to allow folks to get treasures and still protect the "wilderness" as pristine as possible.
Oroblanco