The Peralta Stones

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Hi my friend Gullum: You lightly passed over the reason for the expulsion being because of the ´plot´. This is ´precisely´ why the order was to be secretly implemented. If they were involved in a plot, but no great overt act had yet taken place, you would want to catch ALL of the participants at once, since any survivors could then prematurely trigger the revolt, IF it had progressed far enough. Apparently it hadn´t.

As for simply expelling them for mining, that information and the mine locations could easily have been accomplished by the King´s spies who were everywhere. They certainly had the resources, authority and time to do so.

The Mission priests were not involved in the plot, also they were expendable in order to keep hidden the fact that the Jesuits had a secret line into the King´s quarters and privy councils.

You are also forgetting the testimony of my x assoc. who actually had an audience with the then no.2 of the Jesuit Heirachy in Rome, who when he was brazenly asked about it, smiled, and replied ¨Yes, but we don´t do those types of things any more¨.

As for being expelled by other nations in other lands earlier, that is another story, and for another reason. In fact it may actually have been the basic reason for developing the plot with the Dutch. This would have left them a foot hold in Spanish North America, independent of Spain.

Much work remains to be done on inaccessible fields in Rome, Belgium, and Dutch Royal Archives.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

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[gollum]

Mike, nice web page/ Just curious about the original stones on the bumper,
do you happen to know the size and approximate weight . Also where did get your smaller copies. What do you think the holes in the stone represent/thanks in advance.

The larger stones are about 17 x 33 x 3 inches. Not sure of weight. The stones in my pics are actual size. They belong to a friend of mine though. They were cast from the originals and have some amazing details that you can only see at certain angles in the right light. Some of the icons on the stones have been mostly sanded away (on purpose) over the years to hide clues. They show up in my friend's castings.

Best-Mike

 

[gollum]

Hi my friend Gullum: You lightly passed over the reason for the expulsion being because of the ´plot´. This is ´precisely´ why the order was to be secretly implemented. If they were involved in a plot, but no great overt act had yet taken place, you would want to catch ALL of the participants at once, since any survivors could then prematurely trigger the revolt, IF it had progressed far enough. Apparently it hadn´t.

As for simply expelling them for mining, that information and the mine locations could easily have been accomplished by the King´s spies who were everywhere. They certainly had the resources, authority and time to do so.

The Mission priests were not involved in the plot, also they were expendable in order to keep hidden the fact that the Jesuits had a secret line into the King´s quarters and privy councils.

You are also forgetting the testimony of my x assoc. who actually had an audience with the then no.2 of the Jesuit Heirachy in Rome, who when he was brazenly asked about it, smiled, and replied ¨Yes, but we don´t do those types of things any more¨.

As for being expelled by other nations in other lands earlier, that is another story, and for another reason. In fact it may actually have been the basic reason for developing the plot with the Dutch. This would have left them a foot hold in Spanish North America, independent of Spain.

Much work remains to be done on inaccessible fields in Rome, Belgium, and Dutch Royal Archives.

Don Jose de La Mancha

Look Here Dean Hoser de la Munchkin,

That Jesuit-Dutch Relationship was only lightly covered because I have yet to find any documented evidence of such a plot. I believe your story, and I also think the idea is plausible. I just won't devote a lot of space to it yet. I am still waiting to hear back from Leiden University (Netherlands) History Dept. I have spoken to a couple of very eminent Jesuit Historians who have both denied ever hearing anything about that.

Best-Mike

 

[cactusjumper]

Mike,

I am in complete agreement with you here. There should be some real evidence of this plot......somewhere. It's possible that the Jesuits would have buried their end of any documentation, but that does not account for the lack of historical documentation from other contemporaneous sources.

I have a source who is very qualified to give an opinion on this question. I will ask her.

Take care,

Joe

 

[gollum]

Mike,

I am in complete agreement with you here. There should be some real evidence of this plot......somewhere. It's possible that the Jesuits would have buried their end of any documentation, but that does not account for the lack of historical documentation from other contemporaneous sources.

I have a source who is very qualified to give an opinion on this question. I will ask her.

Take care,

Joe

Thanks Joe,

I seriously doubt that the Dutch would find any reason to lie about the subject, that's why I wrote directly to one of their most prestigious universities.

I will say that Sr. de la Munchkin is not the only person I have heard that story from.

Best-Mike

 

[gollum]

GOLLUM MIKE MCCHESNEY WROTE"""""After that, we can implant the 80 foot satellite dish in your anus!""""""" MODS PLEASE BANN THIS GUY! GOLLUM MIKE MCCHESNEY

AAAAAWWWWWW. Poor widdle crackpot. Poooooooooooor widdle nutjob. Whats a matter? When someone responds to your request for violence, you get all defensive? Pooooooooooor widdle baby.

Mike

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Relax Mike, when the time is right --------!

I have only located 7 of the clandestine missions for shipping the metal from the Tayopa complex to Rome so far. they stretch one days travel apart, to just below Matamorros. I need an ultra light to finish the job, or a tremendously efficient statellite connection, and, the patience of our Biblical JOB.

¿Heck, can you offer me any authentic data from the Jesuits themselves which ´proves that they were mining anywhere´, let alone in Tumacacori ? They deny it flatly. The fact that I have found, and own Tayopa, is another story.

Don´t forget that the Belgiums also had a late, unsuccessful hand in the Tayopa story.

Keep it up, and you will have to walk to Tayopa, not ride a nice, comfortable mule.

Don Jose de La Mancha (ya igerent southern Californian )

 

[Oroblanco]

HOLA amigos,
Don Jose' out of curiosity have you ever considered comparing the Peralta stones with the sites in Mexico? I wonder how the landmarks etc would line up?
Roy

 

[cactusjumper]

Roy,

Why confine your comparisons to the area around Tayopa? Why not Brazil, Nevada or Alaska?

Just curious......

Take care,

Joe

 

[gollum]

Relax Mike, when the time is right --------!

I have only located 7 of the clandestine missions for shipping the metal from the Tayopa complex to Rome so far. they stretch one days travel apart, to just below Matamorros. I need an ultra light to finish the job, or a tremendously efficient statellite connection, and, the patience of our Biblical JOB.

¿Heck, can you offer me any authentic data from the Jesuits themselves which ´proves that they were mining anywhere´, let alone in Tumacacori ? They deny it flatly. The fact that I have found, and own Tayopa, is another story.

Don´t forget that the Belgiums also had a late, unsuccessful hand in the Tayopa story.

Keep it up, and you will have to walk to Tayopa, not ride a nice, comfortable mule.

Don Jose de La Mancha (ya igerent southern Californian )

I have another story regarding those Mission Waystations. These don't go to the Gulf of Mexico. They go to the Pacific to ship goodies via the Manila Galleons to Jesuit holdings in the Far East. I'll PM you in a bit.

Best-Mike

 

[Oroblanco]

Roy,

Why confine your comparisons to the area around Tayopa? Why not Brazil, Nevada or Alaska?

Just curious......

Take care,

Joe

Well AZ was long a part of MX, and there are other theories around the Peralta stones which are not all in the Superstitions. Brazil was Portuguese territory so it seems fairly illogical to try to fit a set of stone maps found in AZ (or MX, as one version goes) to that location, Alaska likewise was not a Spanish territory but Russian, so also would be fairly illogical; Nevada however could be construed as once part of Mexico, what particular set of landmarks might fit there I could not propose. Tayopa does have several landmarks and distinctive topography around it, I was curious if Don Jose had ever done such a comparison just for 'sheets -n- grins' so to speak.

Sorry if my far-out theoretical question came across the wrong way.
Oroblanco

 

[cactusjumper]

Roy,

As you well know, there was a strange relationship between the Russians and the Jesuits. The Brazil connection speaks for itself. If we make a slight regression back to the Stone Maps being Jesuit.......

Take care,

Joe

 

[Oroblanco]

Cactusjumper wrote

there was a strange relationship between the Russians and the Jesuits

Actually I had not even considered that, and strange is a good way to put it. There were Spanish explorers venturing north too, just I didn't think to make that connection. Brazil too - I didn't even think of the Sacambaya mines which were supposed to be Jesuit, and again very distinctive topography there too. Just exploring some alternative ideas, though I do agree the Superstitions are the best "fit" and most logical related to the Peralta stone maps, it is fun sometimes just playing around with wild ideas.
Roy

 

[cactusjumper]

Don Jose,

[have only located 7 of the clandestine missions for shipping the metal from the Tayopa complex to Rome so far. they stretch one days travel apart, to just below Matamorros. I need an ultra light to finish the job, or a tremendously efficient statellite connection, and, the patience of our Biblical JOB.]

How does one know that a mission was built and used for the purposes you cite? Is there something special about these particular missions? Is it possible they are not missions, and have another reason for existing?

Could they have been waystations for the Spanish miners, used for transporting their product to Spain? If not, why not? Why do you assume these building locations were "clandestine""

Thanks in advance,

Joe

 

[gollum]

I am kind of with Joe here. I don't believe that the missions themselves were "clandestine" but part of their purpose might have been.

Say a large hidden underground storage vault in a mission on the very edge of the Spanish Frontier. I think Don Jose de la Munchkin now understands why I believe some of the things I do. Although circumstantial evidence is always only that. When there is a lot of it pointing in one direction, I logically look in that direction.

Best-Mike

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

LADIES & guys: First, I don´t believe that by any stretch of imagination, that the stones can be made to fit the Tayopa zone - sorry.

Second, Gully, many were set up in areas where there were no converts to be had, nor good land for farming & ranching, ¿mining ? but curiously enough, one days loaded mule trip apart all the way to Matamorros - this hasn´t been verified ´visually´ yet. This is my next job.. Most so far loocated have had concealed underground chambers. After reading some of my previous posts on this -- ¿Your conclusions?

Beyond this questionable bit of data, I am starting to tread into still restricted areas, so will ´rely´ on the 5 th . NOT work on a 5th like Gully.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Oroblanco]

Don Jose de la Mancha wrote

NOT work on a 5th like Gully

HAY now sheesh amigo speaking for myself only here, but I have found that I do many things far better after ingesting copious amounts of la juice of la agave plant, fermented and distilled of course; this includes fighting better, ride better, driving better, looking better, seeing better heck with enough of it I am downright BULLETPROOF!
Oroblanco

 

[cactusjumper]

It's always the case, that when someone is blind drunk, they think no one else can see them either.

They don't call it ta kill ya for nothing.

Joe

 

[Oroblanco]

What? You mean my invisibility ala Cuervo doesn't really work? I thought that with at least eight shots, once you took off all your clothes it was "presto" instant invisibility. I am glad you told me amigo, as I was planning to demonstrate it at the next Dutch hunters annual rendezvous. Hoo boy that could have been bad.

 

[cactusjumper]

Roy,

I'm sure that Beth would probably confirm that your "instant invisibility" does work......at least partially.

Joe