The Peralta Stones

[Twisted Fork]

A boxed in section of river turns; hard to go any further once one finds it. Once there, one will find a pasture, and the first signs of gold in the area; a placer site deposited from the funnel in canyon Fresco. The closest flat ground to hobble the animals near the mine is this pasture and it is North of the spring. The forest of small green trees is no longer present due to the spring all but drying up since the building of Roosevelt Dam. The spring once poured into the Salt thus flowing across the river and building a rich sandbar in a cubby section opposite the pasture. Same legend of the lost gun site mine only in it they approached from the North East. One might rope down into the pasture area if not willing to take the long way around into the area. The smelter and arrasta used to be at the North East end of the pasture, next to to the wall at waters edge.; it was removed back in the 50's in an effort to further conceal the location. The original discoverers of the site are now all passed away and they were never able to pinpoint the mines. I picked up where they left off. I found an old burro shoe just below mine #2 to the South West, in a sandy flat where the animals were hobbled there. If you read all of Waltz's remembered comments, you will find that he was describing two different mines in the same area; one that was a funnel and another that you had to drop down to from a bolder. It is only possible for the setting December Sun to shine into one of them at any given time and it is not the funnel. Mine number two is down river and was formed thousands of years ago at a time when the Salt was higher up on the mountain; it is a sedimentary vein running for miles and formed from the water grinding away at what was once a huge outcrop sticking up out of the river. This became the funnel which is now high above the river in these days. The vein runs under sedimentary mountains formed over millennia, as other mountains washed down and buried the spill.

 

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[somehiker]

Hi Joe:
Paperback reprint.............http://www.amazon.com/Killer-Mountains-Curt-Gentry/dp/0891740201

Regards:SH

 

[Ellie Baba]

I'm going to interject here that the Spanish that you say is very specific is also very misspelled.

Seems like a terrible oversight from what you seem to be attributing to a divine annotation.

B

Hello B,

The words were misspelled on purpose in order to form a word or phrase formed by reordering the letters of another word. For example; cobollo de Santa = coolest blonde. Its genius! They used Spanish words to produce English words.

EB

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

I guess we have a difference of opinion - you think its brilliant - I think its - not-so-much.

B

 

[ghostdog]

Hey Fork, Storm tells a story in his book Thunder God"s Gold, where a prospecter in the 1920"s squeezes through a rock crevice into a hidden valley.
The way he got out was useing a rope ladder attached to a rock wall on the inside.
I"m thinking from memory as I dont have the book in front of me that the location might be known as Garden Valley, a prehistoric region in the Supers.
Storm goes on to state this is a location of one of the Spanish lost mines that may predate the Peraltas but also a area they worked. Could this be the drop down rock area you are reffering to.

 

[cactusjumper]

SH,

Thanks for the information. I seldom get paperbacks, unless that's all that's available. I was mistakenly thinking it was a cover from a hardback edition. To be honest, I don't know that I ever heard there was a paperback reprint. On the other hand, I must have run across it in my searches and just fanned it............Old age.

Thanks,

Joe

 

[Cubfan64]

Hey Fork, Storm tells a story in his book Thunder God"s Gold, where a prospecter in the 1920"s squeezes through a rock crevice into a hidden valley.
The way he got out was useing a rope ladder attached to a rock wall on the inside.
I"m thinking from memory as I dont have the book in front of me that the location might be known as Garden Valley, a prehistoric region in the Supers.
Storm goes on to state this is a location of one of the Spanish lost mines that may predate the Peraltas but also a area they worked. Could this be the drop down rock area you are reffering to.

Ghost - Garden Valley is very large and open - easy hike to it from numerous directions and no need to drop down from anywhere.

 

[Ellie Baba]

Ellie Baba wrote

Found in the hole with the Percheron (a breed of work horse from the Perche Valley in Northern France) was a large heart fashioned from a metal band and a number of other objects identifying the Architects. We had taken the bones of this large animal to a Veterinarian to have the bones identified. It was also found that the bones contained a large amount of arsenic; guess what number represents arsenic on the periodic table?

I don't know if you are a 'horse trader' but in the 'good old days' a rather nasty practice done by unscrupulous horse dealers was to give an old horse rather large doses of arsenic just before selling it. The arsenic had a short-term effect of acting rather like a tonic, making the horse seem to act healthy and strong, but shortening its life dramatically. Finding horse remains that turned out to have a large amount of arsenic in them would indicate to me that we have the results of an unscrupulous horse trader. This is only one of many such tricks employed in the horse trade, some of which are still done (doping horses going to auction, races etc).
Oroblanco

Hi Oroblanco,
Thanks for your comments as we all need to look at every angle while researching this material.
I am not a horse trader, but I am familiar with mining, geology and mineralogy. Once the findings concerning the arsenic levels found in the Percheron’s bones were made known we had decided as a group that this horse was used in a nearby mining operation and had been drinking the contaminated water where the ore was either mined or processed. Three of our team members are some of the best horse authorities in these parts and one comment that we considered was the horse may have been poisoned on purpose before its burial. We were not there so we agreed on the mining theory as being the most relevant. The men that buried this animal and the other clues knew that someday that the horse would be exhumed because clues to one of the depositories would be found in this location. The Stone Maps had given us the exact heading and location to find the horse’s grave along with the other buried clues. See “Shadow of the Sentinel” by Getler & Brewer, chapter 17, page 240 for more information.
Document from; epa/gov/arsenic/html
Welch, A.H., Westjohn, D.B., Helsel, D.R. and Wanty, R.B., 2000. Arsenic in ground water of the United States: Occurrence and geochemistry. Ground Water 38(4) 589-604.

Arsenic occurs naturally in soils, rocks, water, air, plants, and animals. Minerals that contain arsenic include arsenopyrite (FeAsS), realgar (AsS), orpiment (As2S3), and arsenolite (As2O3). Although elemental arsenic has several allotropic forms - gray, yellow, and black arsenic - only gray arsenic is ordinarily stable. Gray arsenic is a brittle, crystalline, semi-metallic solid that sublimes at 615C and 1 atmosphere. As much as 100,000 tons of arsenic is produced worldwide, with most of it is obtained as a by-product of the smelting of copper, lead, cobalt, and gold ores. The quantity of arsenic associated with lead and copper ores may range from 2-3%, whereas gold ores may contain up to 11% arsenic. Arsenic trioxide, As2O3, is the chief commercial compound. Elemental arsenic is produced by reducing arsenic trioxide with carbon.

One item of interest that I will mention is this; Our team of horse experts did recognize the arsenic poisoning due to the color of the bones (I believe a slight yellow tint) and this prompted us to send the bones to our friendly Vet for analysis.

Any observations or comments, whether they be positive or negative are welcomed from this or any other forums.
EB

 

[ghostdog]

Well I have never been to the Supers ., what Storm says is Garden Valley is a Prehistoric area with with many different types of terrain. He describes the valley as hidden from any kind of view and suken like a sink. About Storm, he started researching the Supers.and Waltz in the early thirties, he published a few books about both,in the 30"s and beyond. He did do extensive research by talking to old timers and family members both direct and through letter correspondence.. While all kinds of imformation can be embellished, I tend to give him the benifet of most doubts. I believe in Waltz,the Peraltas, & Ruth, were all real,and the maps and ore they had were also. Storm relates a story of Waltz selling ore to a jewler/or assyer{dam wish I had my book with me} and the guy had a couple of rings made up for his children. As storm states and others the ORE was very UNIQUE and BEAUTIFUL,like none others had ever seen before. Others have found Rich Viens also ,like Wagner,who used to get off a stage coach somewhere outside of Goldfield, and have the stage driver pick him up 2 or 3 days latter,and he had a suitcase full of gold rocks. Storm also theorizes the Salt lake may have covered up some old mines. A Doctor who tended to some Indians,was taken by blindfold,and allowed to pick up as much ore as he could carry.Why all the conjecture about Waltz and the Peraltas on this forum all of a sudden ? Hey they were real just like I am.
Ruth wrote in Latin, I came, I looked,I found,located in the inside of his hat band..Ok I"m stretched,time for football.

 

[lamar]

Dear ghostdog;
You wrote:
Ruth wrote in Latin, I came, I looked,I found,located in the inside of his hat band..
Actually, what Dr. Ruth supposedly wrote was a note inside of his checkbook, explaining that he had located the LDM. At the end of the note he had supposedly penned:
Veni, vidi, vici
which, when translated into English is the first person perfect tense for:
I came, I saw, I conquered
It was reputedly first written by Julius Caesar in 47 B.C. The modern term for this phrase may be stated as:
Veni, vidi, visa
Which, when translated into English, may mean, "I came, I saw, I did a little shopping"
Your friend;
LAMAR

 

[Oroblanco]

HOLA amigos,

Ellie Baba wrote, responding to Mrs Oro,

The words were misspelled on purpose in order to form a word or phrase formed by reordering the letters of another word. For example; cobollo de Santa = coolest blonde. Its genius! They used Spanish words to produce English words.

I realize your reply was directed to Mrs O, but your example left me puzzled. First, why use Spanish words to produce English words? I fail to see the reasoning for it. Second, your example,

Cobollo de Santa

I presume you meant to write "Sante" as it is on the Peralta stones, but making the English words

Coolest Blonde

from this set of letters leaves you with a leftover 'A'. What do you do with the leftover A? Or is the phrase supposed to read 'A coolest blonde" or another arrangement? I am mystified with this.

Ellie Baba also wrote

Thanks for your comments as we all need to look at every angle while researching this material.
I am not a horse trader, but I am familiar with mining, geology and mineralogy. <snip>

I did not mean to be a 'wet blanket' but we treasure hunters have a tendency to see what we wish to see, often assuming some POSSIBLE clue is a definite clue, when it can be interpreted in other ways. As you know that arsenic occurs in water sources, you must also know that it is common even where there are no mines of any kind nearby - arsenic easily gets into the water supply where acidic soils and/or rains cause it to dissolve into it. Anyway just my opinion, but I would not put too much into the finding of arsenic in the horse remains. Draft horses were (and are) used for many other tasks besides working in mines, especially in farming, ranching, quarrying and logging.
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Cactusjumper wrote

I seldom get paperbacks, unless that's all that's available.

I realize that you collect books, but for me, it is what is in the book that is of interest. I doubt that our own little collection of books would impress you, as many of them were purchased used and a fair share of paperbacks which are generally less expensive. I also do not judge the work of an author in one book by what he or she wrote in another, for many authors have written both non-fiction and pure fiction, with no "bleed" of fiction into their non-fiction. I do not understand your denigration of the author mentioned earlier, due to his having done other books which have no bearing on our subject matter. I guess we disagree on this point when considering resource material.
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Lamar wrote

Dear ghostdog;
You wrote:
Ruth wrote in Latin, I came, I looked,I found,located in the inside of his hat band..
Actually, what Dr. Ruth supposedly wrote was a note inside of his checkbook, explaining that he had located the LDM.

Your statement is what many Dutch hunters interpret from Ruth's cryptic message, but as I am sure you would point out, this can be interpreted in other ways, such as having "conquered" the desert, having found a particular marker site, or even something much more personal. Just my opinion but I think we assume too much to conclude that Ruth found the Lost Dutchman, based on that brief Latin passage.

Lamar also wrote

The modern term for this phrase may be stated as:
Veni, vidi, visa
Which, when translated into English, may mean, "I came, I saw, I did a little shopping"

LOL You continue to surprise me with your excellent sense of humor amigo! Good one!
Oroblanco

 

[Ellie Baba]

HOLA amigos,

Ellie Baba wrote, responding to Mrs Oro,

The words were misspelled on purpose in order to form a word or phrase formed by reordering the letters of another word. For example; cobollo de Santa = coolest blonde. Its genius! They used Spanish words to produce English words.

I realize your reply was directed to Mrs O, but your example left me puzzled. First, why use Spanish words to produce English words? I fail to see the reasoning for it. Second, your example,

Cobollo de Santa

I presume you meant to write "Sante" as it is on the Peralta stones, but making the English words

Coolest Blonde

from this set of letters leaves you with a leftover 'A'. What do you do with the leftover A? Or is the phrase supposed to read 'A coolest blonde" or another arrangement? I am mystified with this.

Ellie Baba also wrote

Thanks for your comments as we all need to look at every angle while researching this material.
I am not a horse trader, but I am familiar with mining, geology and mineralogy. <snip>

I did not mean to be a 'wet blanket' but we treasure hunters have a tendency to see what we wish to see, often assuming some POSSIBLE clue is a definite clue, when it can be interpreted in other ways. As you know that arsenic occurs in water sources, you must also know that it is common even where there are no mines of any kind nearby - arsenic easily gets into the water supply where acidic soils and/or rains cause it to dissolve into it. Anyway just my opinion, but I would not put too much into the finding of arsenic in the horse remains. Draft horses were (and are) used for many other tasks besides working in mines, especially in farming, ranching, quarrying and logging.
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Arsenic is highly concentrated in gold ores containing sulfides.

Hi Oroblanco,
A little more detail in my explanation will shed some light on the matter. One of the main issues people have a problem with concerning the Stone Maps is the misspelling of the Spanish words found on the tablets. They believe the creators of these tablets to be a bunch of uneducated buffoons, not the case. The reason that they are misspelled is due to the fact that an anagram can only be solved with the correct letters that are used in the original code. The fact remains that Santa is spelled exactly as depicted on the Horse Map, however you are correct it should translate to “a coolest blonde”. If the words in Spanish had been properly spelled the anagram (in English) would have been misinterpreted. The correction that you proposed to me as a result of my example did not make any sense to you. You did figure it out and now it makes perfect sense. If cobollo was spelled correctly as caballo we would never interpret the phrase to “a coolest blonde”, therefore the word must be spelled as cobollo. By the way you are not a wet blanket and I thank you for allowing me to help you understand the reasoning behind the Spanish to English concept. The Spanish words are misspelled for a really good reason. When the time comes I will be able to share the Spanish/English interpretations regarding all of the stone tablets. These Architects were no dummies, for if ever a conspiracy theory existed we will find them on the top of the heap. We must pay attention to the details, for the truth is right in front of us.
EB

 

[cactusjumper]

Roy,

"I realize that you collect books, but for me, it is what is in the book that is of interest. I doubt that our own little collection of books would impress you, as many of them were purchased used and a fair share of paperbacks which are generally less expensive. I also do not judge the work of an author in one book by what he or she wrote in another, for many authors have written both non-fiction and pure fiction, with no "bleed" of fiction into their non-fiction. I do not understand your denigration of the author mentioned earlier, due to his having done other books which have no bearing on our subject matter. I guess we disagree on this point when considering resource material."

On the contrary, I have many paperbacks. From the collecting aspect, I prefer hardbacks.....signed, if I can get them. If the paperbacks are all that are available, I will purchase them.......for the content. I have a number of the same books in both formats. I consider my "library" quite small, but of pretty good quality. I doubt you would be overly impressed.

I posted a copy of the description from a commercial site that was selling Hudnall's book. At B's use of it for a source, I purchased the book. I don't think I denigrated the author but tried to express that with that type of description, it was not the kind of book that I would normally gravitate to.......without someone's recommendation. With B and yourself using it for a source, I consider that a recommendation.

Not having read the book, it was an unqualified opinion based on what the book was being marketed as. It will arrive this Wednesday, and once I have read it, I may have a different opinion.

Take care,

Joe

 

[ghostdog]

Lamar,Oro and RDT,
Lamar-Thank you for righting my wordage me you are 100% correcto.I was actually thinking checkbook when I wrote hat band,and I knew I screwed up the Latin phrase. Did you know that when the sheriff"s posse found Ruths body it was decapitated and made to look like a animal scattered the bones. A very unusual type of murder even for the Supers..Someone was sending a message.
Oro-Ruth had a original Perlta map and I believe he located certain monuments on the map matching the landscape that would lead him to a Peralta mine. Ruth was a engineer for the US Govt. in Washington,and had located some lost treasure before acquireing the Peralta map. He was experienced, but secretaive and paranoid which I believe led to his demise.
He should have never went into the Supers without a partner.
RTD-Interesting photos of mine markers,gives me something more to look for if I ever get into the mountains again.
eldunno for now

 

[Springfield]

.... we treasure hunters have a tendency to see what we wish to see, often assuming some POSSIBLE clue is a definite clue, when it can be interpreted in other ways. .....

No truer words were ever spoken. Much information is hidden in plain sight, assumed to represent something else or ignored altogether. For the aficionados of the sport of gathering LDM 'documented evidence', consider persher codes and especially Baconian cyphers as related to early 'source material'. The creators of these various treasure legends were superb observers and manipulators of human behavior, making the recent 'WMD' scam seem like child's play. In this type of game, things are seldom as they seem (and of couse, why would they?).

 

[ghostdog]

Springf,and others I am not knocking anyones theory about codes or map designations,monuments etc, just stateing my own. Its possible those who worked the Supers that predate the PERALTAS being there used secret codes.
Its my belief a lot of the markers the Peraltas used have been defaced or done away with altogether, by other seekers over the years. I"m sure someone on this forum knows a lot more than been put out. The L.D.M.could be, being worked right now ,my guess. ..adios

 

[gollum]

LAMAR,

I have yet to see a reply from you regarding my response to your derogatory post concerning Father Kino's boat building project in Caborca. Please don't just ignore this like you seem to do every time evidence proves you wrong. I would like to know your opinion.

Dear Gollum;
You accusingly wrote:
Are you REALLY unaware of that? Do you REALLY know nothing of Padre Kino SJ commissioning a ship to be built at Caborca? Ostensibly it was to bring cattle and supplies to Baja before he found the NorthWestern Route.


My friend, are you REALLY unaware that Caborca happens to be situated in a DESERT? And being a desert, to the very best of my knowledge, there are no large TREES, as trees require a substantial amount of rainfall annually in order to grow, prosper and become TIMBER, which was of course the principle building material in the construction of ships during that era. What were they going to build this ship out of, adobe perhaps?

It would perhaps been a bit more plausible if the author chose to accuse Fr. Kino of comissioning a ship to be built further south along the Pacific shore where there actually exists enough tree growth to support the building and outfitting of a ship.

I've been to Caborca and I've seen the dust devils rising a couple of hundred feet above the ground. As far as I am aware, the area surrounding Caborca has been this way since at least since the very first colonists arrived and it's only been in very modern times that irrigation has allowed for the agriculturists to produce substainable crops.
Your friend;
LAMAR

The author you choose to denigrate is the eminent Jesuit Father Ernest J. Burrus SJ (I know the double references of Jesuit and SJ are overkill, but I am making a point).

WOW! I am amazed that there is something about Jesuit History that you are TOTALLY Unaware of! I once again reference Father Ernest Burrus SJ's excellent work "Kino and Manje, Explorers of Sonora and Arizona" 1971

First Quote /page# 22-23, (nothing to do with Caborca, but regarding Jesuit Shipping):

Afte conferring with Atondo, Kino retraced his steps to Guadalajara and in early June he visited Rosario near the harbor of Mazatlan. He was soon in the saddle again; this time in order to ride back to Nio for the blessing of the three new ships: the Almiranta (a frigate with the high-sounding name of San Jose Y San Francisco Javier), the Capitana (another frigate, named La Concepcion), and the Balandra (a sloop).

Let's see, maybe Lamar can tell us who may have been referenced by using the name SAN FRANCISCO JAVIER?? HMMMMMMM provacative, I must say!

Next we go to pages 67-71 (specifically regarding KINO'S BOAT at CABORCA:

pg#67

The Missionary himself was not with Manje at the time the harbor was found (Santa Sabina), as he had remained in CABORCA to work on the boat.

pg# 68

Kino had returned from the first expedition on the eve of Ash Wednesday, as we have seen, and attended to his charges at Dolores and dependent missions until Tuesday, March 16, of that same yearof 1694, when he set out a second time with Manje. Kino's main purpose was to build a boat in sections, and haul them overland by oxen to the Gulf of California in preparation for an exploratory sea voyage.

I will only include some relevant quotes, as there are over twenty pages in this book alone dealing with Kino's Boat at Caborca. In case you thought it was just some little dinghy, this last quote will give an idea of the planned size of Kino's Boat pages 184-185:

The next day, March 21, was the Fourth of Laetare Sunday in Lent, but Kino was so anxious to get started on his boat, that he selected a huge Cottonwood. Inasmuch as he wanted to obtain the largest plank possible from the tree, he had his crew dig down deep along the roots. They then tried to topple down the giant. Despite all the pulling and pushing, the tree refused to budge. Agile Manje climbed to the top branches, fastened the rope thrown to him; and, before he could descend, the impatient crew gave the rope a mighty tug. Down came the giant Cottonwood with Manje dangling helplessly in its' top branches. It landed with a mighty crash, the smaller branches flying into a thousand pieces. The crew got out of the way in time~~...............~~Manje was a scrupulous in measuring timber as he was in counting natives: "The trunk was cut thirty-eight feet long in order to secure a clean keel from stern to prow, not counting the bows and stern posts, which would be eighteen cubits". This would make the boat about sixty feet long.

So, once again, before making a statement that attempts to ridicule me, you might want to make an attempt at researching for yourself. It seems as though your knowledge of Caborca is as thin as your knowledge of Father Kino's Boat.

Your post upset me somewhat, because we usually get along very cordially (even when we completely disagree). I'm not used to you being so flippant. It seems that you are not even the same person that I usually debate with.

Best-Mike

 

[Cubfan64]

Springf,and others I am not knocking anyones theory about codes or map designations,monuments etc, just stateing my own. Its possible those who worked the Supers that predate the PERALTAS being there used secret codes.
Its my belief a lot of the markers the Peraltas used have been defaced or done away with altogether, by other seekers over the years. I"m sure someone on this forum knows a lot more than been put out. The L.D.M.could be, being worked right now ,my guess. ..adios

Correct, or it could have been worked out many years ago for that matter. Assuming there is still a sizeable quantity of "bonanza" gold ore in the Superstitions somewhere, I'm fairly convinced 99.999999% of us will never know about it if it's found.

Ghost - I noticed that you've mentioned Barry Storm's book a number of times in your discussions. Keep in mind that while Storm holds a distinct history within the LDM community, "Thunder God's Gold" seems (in my opinion) to be at least as much an "adventure story" as anything else. If you find yourself truly fascinated by the Superstitions as well as the LDM lore, there are a number of REALLY GOOD books out there that provide significantly more historical background on the legends than Storm's book. Not trying to denigrate it at all, but I look at books like "Thunder God's Gold" and "Killer Mountains" as appetizers - a way to whet ones appetite for the main course so to speak.

There are MANY books (some even good ones :P) out there on the LDM, but personally I would recommend the following 4 to anyone truly interested in learning more - in no particular order:

"The Golden Dream" by Thomas Glover

"The Bible on the Lost Dutchman Gold Mine and Jacob Waltz" by Helen Corbin

"The Hikers Guide to the Superstition Wilderness - with History and Legends of Arizona's Lost Dutchman Gold Mine" by Jack Carlson and Elizabeth Stewart

"The Lost Dutchman Mine" by Sims Ely

If you start your library with these 4 books, you'll be laying a very firm foundation going forward.

 

[cactusjumper]

Ghostdog,

Around 35....or so, years ago, we went into West Boulder with the intention of climbing the ridge that separates it from East Boulder, and Little Boulder on the north end of the ridge. I had figured out exactly where the Stone Map Trail was, and wanted to find any monuments denoted by the dots/holes in the maps.

In particular, I believed there would be two monuments on top of the ridge where the trail turns to the north.
We found the monuments, the story has been told here before, and I didn't go back there until around 2000.
Instead I concentrated on the end of the trail in Little Boulder Canyon.

I have flown over that ridge in a chopper......close. No sign of the six foot tall, eighteen inch square monuments. We have searched the top of that ridge a few times since, and still nothing. I have to assume someone found and destroyed the monuments.

How that relates to Ruth is supposition on my part. I believe he left Quarter Circle U and they took the trail to Freemont Pass. At that point they worked their way northwest and up to the top of the ridge. In doing that they would have passed a sealed mine, at least it was sealed in 2004, to their left. I assume there were other monuments in the area.

Ruth could have easily made his way back to that mine, and was possibly murdered there. On the other hand, it could have all happened just as the books have said.

Take care,

Joe

 

[Oroblanco]

HOLA amigos,
Cactusjumper wrote

I consider my "library" quite small, but of pretty good quality. I doubt you would be overly impressed.

Hmm you seem to forget that you have already mentioned some of the books among your library, and I was ALREADY impressed! Quantity does not equate with quality where books are concerned after all, right? I have bought whole boxes full of books which were really about worthless except that one in the box happened to be a good one, which left me quite a few books to get rid of which were useless and/or of no interest to anyone in our family. I may not be overly SURPRISED at your library, but I know that I was quite impressed at some of the volumes you mentioned in previous threads. I hope to visit you sometime, and the chance of a visit to your library is a very large cherry on top!

Ghostdog wrote

Oro-Ruth had a original Perlta map and I believe he located certain monuments on the map matching the landscape that would lead him to a Peralta mine. Ruth was a engineer for the US Govt. in Washington,and had located some lost treasure before acquireing the Peralta map. He was experienced, but secretaive and paranoid which I believe led to his demise.
He should have never went into the Supers without a partner.
RTD-Interesting photos of mine markers,gives me something more to look for if I ever get into the mountains again.

I am not sure I agree with your statement entirely, for Ruth certainly talked freely of his quest and mentioned his possession of maps to a group of prospectors (and/or "drifters") none of whom were known to Ruth, present at the Quarter Circle U ranch, which may well have led to his demise. Tex Barkley (the ranch owner) practically begged Ruth to please wait for him to return, so that Tex could pack him in to the mountains as he had to leave for business, but Ruth could not wait and hired two strangers (Purnell and Keenan) to do his packing. If he was secretive, he was certainly NOT secretive enough!

I would point out here too - that Ruth did not claim that the mine he was hunting was the Lost Dutchman until some of the prospectors at Barkley's ranch told him that must be what he is after. He went along with what they said, but before this never made that connection.
Oroblanco