The Peralta Stones

[Ellie Baba]

Thanking you for the pics Joe.

Please note that pg.3 of the report is listed last, so start reading at page 3.

Find also attached photo of the R-rock.


Joe, you must know some of the older guys that have long since left this earth. We should get together some day and share notes. Do you know where the Horse of the Holy Faith is located?
If not I will tell you where he is.

I have many of these same photographs in my scrap book. All of the Heart Mountain pics that I have were taken with my 35 mm Canon AE-1. I can not find my CD collection that has the digital pics. So many years ago.

 

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[Ellie Baba]

After viewing the photograph I can see that it is quite grainy. Stand back from the image until it starts looking better. You will see a shadow heart, L (or square), lightning bolt to the left of the heart, a large letter "R'' and the number four (looks just like this 4) that is integrated into the letter R. Note the three eye catcher rocks near the bottom left of the out crop. Also note their size as they are almost as large as some people. The number 9 with the crescent moon is very important. Never let anyone tell you that they never used the number nine or six. Another secret I must tell you all about;
the number 9 with the crescent is an actual three dimensional sign as it is not imposed on a flat surface of stone. The stone actually curves towards the back of the rock and is carved in such away that produces a near perfect image of a 9 with a crescent moon. There are many other signs produced this way. Now tell me this; how smart are the people that produced the Stone Maps?

EB

 

[cactusjumper]

EB,

I will be at the Rendezvous the end of this month. If you can make it, there will be plenty of time for us to talk, and I would be happy to do that.

Take care,

Joe Ribaudo

 

[Twisted Fork]

Christians have been called witches for many hundreds of years because of powers that have been exhibited in their presence. No other faith heals. The more focus that Christian followers spend with the Holy Ghost in mind, the more testimony is in remembrance of them. Of course the Jesuits for the most part lived and breathed this conscientiousness continually throughout their entire lives. They were obsessed with leaving sign en route both to and from these gold deposits of which in their minds belonged to God and the church; power.. Therefore one will find sign along the trails whether it be 1 mile or 1000 miles away. How else could a permanent record be retained? One that was designed to fool even Mother Nature and her violent ways. These days with our modern access to roads and the convenience we afford with our vehicles, easily forget what the true definition of journey is. Most folks see a sign somewhere and with little more thought on the matter assume that they are quite near if not right on top of the quest at hand. People used to walk to get anywhere regardless of the distance. When you say lets go on a treasure hunt, maybe a week of so comes to mind if that where compared to the old days you carried a rifle and the rest on your back. 6 to 8 weeks was probably more realistic then and of course their was the walk back as well. Sign, distance, water, grub, maps and all of the rest were looked at from an entirely different view and they were not in some kind of worry over getting back to town in a few days. All of this is to explain that todays weekend warrior is missing the objective that these signs work around and at the same time they are victims to the very design intended. Your going to need a much bigger topo my friends; extend those lines some and look at the big picture. One must think like a Monk on foot with all of the time in the world to fool the treasure hunter, especially the ones who should locate their tablets.

 

[somehiker]

A scene by the master's hand.
Men,some with hats.
Long hair.
And capes.

Regards:SH
Could the stone "Priest" be not a "witch" after all?
Could his pulpit be a pueblo?
Perhaps it's not a pulpit.
Or even a priest at all.
Or Navajo.
But could "1847" be a reference to the last Pueblo Revolt?

 

[Ellie Baba]

Hey Joe,

When, where and at what time is Rendezvous. As you probably know by now I do not get out much. I haven't shared any of this information until these last few posts. Looking forward to meeting you as I have visited other LD sites and have found that your work is well respected. Thanks for the photos of the Heart Mountain area which I am very familiar with, for the information found on this site will blow everyone away. Let's compare notes and we will come up with a plan.

In an earlier post I had mentioned that you must study the hearts; the "Heart Stone" has three (the two sided insert/heart stone and the heart cavity on the tablet itself). There are three hearts on the mountain side; two on the east side and one on the west, these are the easier of the hearts to find.
This number is of the most importance; thirty-three (33) the absolute truth. You have three hearts on the "Heart Stone" and three hearts on the mountain sides. Hey all, this is an absolute truth; the "Stone Maps" were meant to be used on this site. Stick with us and we will let the story unfold one piece at a time.

I also would like to post some pics and share my knowledge on the "Treasure Signs and Symbols" Forum. So many people have a real interest in signs and symbols. If they are going to continue to seek these items out I would like to share the rule book with those who are interested in getting out into the field and putting this knowledge to work. I am not in any way or manner going to give away the family store. As we have seen this day a small amount of knowledge was introduced on the web for all to see, however the signs and symbols are so complex it will take a lifetime to understand them all.

Take care all.

EB

 

[Twisted Fork]

They are as complicated as a child's mind without the distractions of adults and that darn wisdom that keeps tripping us all up. Like the good book says, you must first return to the form of a child. There you will find the answers to God's many mysteries; answers of which many things you already know. Simplicity is the key.

 

[ghostdog]

History note,that may or may not apply to some parts of this thread. The most common Sacrafice the Aztecs engaged in was Heart extraction,end. Question,comment,is it possible that some Jesuit padres were converted to a Indian way of thought,and comingled their beliefs with Indians and possibly also a new specie of offspring,thus leading to a whole new way of thinking for that time peroid...REmmember I"m 60,dont all pound on me at once, I also drive a taxi 60hrs a weekand need my focus.gd

 

[Ellie Baba]

Hey Old Dog,

Great comment!

If you like to read and you can make the time i would like to see you procure a copy of "The Discovery and Conquest of Mexico" by Bernal Diaz del Castillo. It will rock your world pertaining to the life and times of the Aztec and Templar world of the 1500's. Make no mistake the Jesuits were there with these Templar Knights (or Conquistadors if you wish) to find the Seven Cities of Cibola (or have you ever thought of the seven ships that disapeared from the harbor of Rochelle in France)? I know there were more, some went to Scotland, some went to Great Britain, some went to Ethiopia and I will bet money that one or two showed up at Oak Island. You also have Victorio Peak and the Aztec kingdom because they were there before Cortes and the Aztecs were waiting for their return.The King (Carlos III) had sent his personal confession Jesuit Priest ( Frey Juan de la Garcia?) to control all monies, baptisms, lands, schools and universities as the Jesuits were there en mass.

If any of them developed a liking for this peganism in was due to their personal nature or they had an Aztec wife who led them to follow in worship. Look at what happened to the Israelites who took up as their wives the conquered people that they should have destroyed. the whored themselves out to false gods and later their nation faced the penalties. The Knights were not perfect and they acted no less different than we do today. Do you not see us as living in the days of Noah? History repeats itself, any of you disagree?

EB

 

[somehiker]

A good historical account of the story of "The seven ships of Alexandre Auffredi"
http://www.francemonthly.com/n/0406/index.php
It doesn't really explain how or why they sailed to different continents,or how they managed the logistics for all to arrive back in port from points all over the map seven years later,but it does name the "riches" that they returned with,all of which were traded from the ports of western and northern africa.

Regards:SH

 

[Twisted Fork]

It wouldn't surprise me if a number of galleons were loaded with treasure and purposely sunk in shallow waters off of any one of the coastal ports along the gulf. I remember reading where some of the Monks hooked up with organized piracy after the King put them up as criminals. There are likenesses to the tablets that have some resemblances to the construction of Oak Island of which I still feel was just an elaborate distraction if not a trap built with slaves in an effort to keep the crown busy in vain. This same geometric map codex was used by the KGC and every other group of Masons walking in secrecy with stolen loot. Other than the loss of life due to world war, I find it hard to see where knowledge of these simple childlike map codes came into being as a lost art and why it has become such a mystery in itself. Any one of the Pirate captains of historic fame as well as the hierarchy of the KGC would have been able to translate the tablets with ease.

 

[lamar]

Dear Ellie Baba;
You wrote:
If you like to read and you can make the time i would like to see you procure a copy of "The Discovery and Conquest of Mexico" by Bernal Diaz del Castillo. It will rock your world pertaining to the life and times of the Aztec and Templar world of the 1500's. Make no mistake the Jesuits were there with these Templar Knights (or Conquistadors if you wish) to find the Seven Cities of Cibola (or have you ever thought of the seven ships that disapeared from the harbor of Rochelle in France)? I know there were more, some went to Scotland, some went to Great Britain, some went to Ethiopia and I will bet money that one or two showed up at Oak Island. You also have Victorio Peak and the Aztec kingdom because they were there before Cortes and the Aztecs were waiting for their return.The King (Carlos III) had sent his personal confession Jesuit Priest ( Frey Juan de la Garcia?) to control all monies, baptisms, lands, schools and universities as the Jesuits were there en mass.


First, the Knights Templars were disbanded in 1312 A.D. by Pope Clement V, some 200 years before the first Conquistadores arrived in the New World, which means there were no Templars amonst the Conquistadores.

Next, the first Jesuits did not exist as an Order until 1537 A.D. and they did not send any missionaries to the New World colonies until after 1609 A.D. which meant that they were not a part of the Conquistador parties.

Next, the Franciscans use the title "Fray" and the Jesuits use the title "Brother". Next, the Spaniards did not use the words "DE LA" (OF THE in English) in association with surnames (or last names) and as such, the words "de la" are only used in conjunction with a place name. Garcia is a surname therefore DE LA would not be associated with the name.

Next, I've studied the text of Bernal Diaz del Castillo and nowhere did he state that the Conquistadores were accompanied by either Templars or Jesuits. He did however, state the names of the Franciscan and Dominican friars and priests who accompanied the Conquistadores, because those were the two primary Catholic missionary Orders at the time.

Next, king Carlos III was never on friendly terms with the Jesuits, seeing as how it was he whom had expelled the Jesuits from Spain and her colonies in 1767. In the years preceeding the Jesuit expulsion, King Carlos III was at first cordial to the Jesuits and becoming increasingly more hostile towards the Order as time passed.
Your friend;
LAMAR

 

[cactusjumper]

EB,

I assume that everyone who is interested in the "Montezuma Treasure" has read the account of Bernal Diaz del Castillo. I have two copies of the book, one for reading and the other a collectors edition. There are many accounts of Aztec life and the subjugation of the native population of Mexico, and I have enjoyed reading and learning about that interesting period of history for Mexico.

Our own treatment of our native population pales in comparison to what the Spaniards did in Mexico......and South America, to name just two places.

Is it your contention that "Montezuma's Treasure" is the treasure that was hidden in the wall where Cortez and his men were first quartered?

Using 2,000 warriors to move that treasure into Arizona.......or any other place in the United States, seems like a stretch considering the dangers they were facing at home. By the time they reached our country, they would be ravaged by smallpox which was killing more natives than battles were.

The Spaniards were very good at extracting information, including the hiding places of gold. Gold, while it was of value, was not the most valuable treasure for the Aztec's. I don't think gold was a major factor for them in fighting the Spanish invasion.

Have you found a single historical reference to "Montezuma's Treasure" being spirited out of Mexico?

Lamar,

Your post was spot on and, of course, historically correct.

Thanks in advance,

Joe Ribaudo

 

[Springfield]

.... Have you found a single historical reference to "Montezuma's Treasure" being spirited out of Mexico? ...

Only in TH magazines and on internet forums. It's my opinion that North America may have been a major source of the Mexica's gold, based on pre-migration knowledge.

 

[Ellie Baba]

Thanking you for correcting my information. I apologize for the misinformation pertaining to the book. I have so much info in my head that I will need to go back to my notes and documentation referring to the claims that I have made and make them available to the forum. There is so much material to go through and most of it has not been scanned so it is not available on my computer. It has always been something that I was going to do. I spent some time at the Brophy Jesuit College a number of years ago and found some information pertaining to the Jesuits and their work in the New World. The Templars were decomissioned by the Pope and King Phillip the Fair. However the group stayed in touch they just became parts of different organizations. The Templars and the Jesuits were very close to each other and worked together hand in hand. Father Kino made three trips to Heart Mountain and there on the river was the "Village de Manje", dedicated to Manje by the local native population.

I spent a number of hours with Chuck Kenworthy discussing the Heart Mountain area and the documentation that he had in his possesion which came from the Archives located at the Vatican. The Holy Child of the Atocha and the Horse of the Holy Faith were
witnesses to the sites location. The treasure found on the Atocha by Mel Fisher was due to the fact that Kenworthy had given this documentation to Mel Fisher. The treasure itself was loaded on a barge that had navigated down the river and was placed in the hold of the Atocha near the Sea of Cortez.

Everyone seems to believe that the Horse Tablet has the name of Pedro written on it. If you examine the original Stone Maps found at the Mining and Mineral museum here in Phoenix, AZ. The actual word is Pedico= belonging to a beloved child, or sodomy (Defined in the following Latin, Greek, German, Portuguese and other languages). Ped meaning foot, pedico also meaning shoe or hoof. Look at the horse's left rear hoof and you will be able to see an anchor incorporated into it's design.

I am rambling on again, take care.

EB

 

[cactusjumper]

EB,

I don't' believe Chuck Kenworthy had anything to do with Mel Fisher finding the Atocha. I would suggest you read "The Search for the Atocha" by Dr. Eugene Lyon for a good history of that search.

As far as I know, Kenworthy never provided any original evidence for any of his claims that he received information from archives, in Mexico City or Spain. Everything was unsubstantiated. Having seen his presentation on the Stone Maps, I am not impressed in the least. In fact, Kenworthy confused himself during his explanations.

If you would like a few quotations from Dr. Lyon's book, pertaining to his discovery of the information that led Fisher to move closer to the coast, and success, I will be happy to provide them.

Take care,

Joe

 

[lamar]

Dear group;
I harbor serious doubts that Mr. Charles Kenworthy will ever be proclaimed as a fount of knowledge pertaining to early Jesuit activity in the New World colonies.
Your friend;
LAMAR

 

[Ellie Baba]

Hi Group,

This has nothing to do with Joe or Lamar, for they are entitled to their own opinions. I just wanted to tell you a little about the treasure hunter I had befriended.

My Father always told me that you had to walk in the other guy's shoes before you pass judgement.
Did you all know that Chuck's father was also a treasure hunter? I knew more about Chuck before I ever met him. Much of the talk then was as it is now; not real good. My Father passed away some time ago and my Mom and I were having dinner at the Village Inn in AJ. As we walked down the aisle
Chuck was sitting at a table by himself and he recognized me from one of his book selling events. He asked us to sit down and have dinner with him. My Mom knew her stuff when it came to the Dutchman and she and Chuck really hit it off. We had a number of dinners together and all we ever talked about was the treasure. Guys and Gals, he was just like us. Searching for the truth and the proof that out there somewhere was a pile of loot or a lost gold mine. Chuck did have a drinking problem as some folks do, we know a few of them ourselves, we would say, "This guy really knows his stuff, but he drinks to damn much". Understand that Chuck was not in the best of health in his last years and he knew for some time that the cancer was killing him. Chuck Kenworthy was a friend and fellow treasure hunter, and yes you had to watch him for he was a tricky little son of a gun. if any of you know Salvador DelGadillo he is slow when it comes time to judge someone. He respected Kenworthy, but he didn't care for him. If it wasn't for Chuck I wouldn't have learned the basics of monuments, signs and symbols and so on. Yes, he had problems, who doesn't. I will never forget those days for we talked for hours and hours, and I do miss him.

Later,

EB

 

[Twisted Fork]

From the horses mouth; just to look at the carving for a while leads to a sort of animation in your mind as does a child's imagination with a comic book. The horse is telling us where his pasture is and the main feature is the horse without his gear. Maybe theres water there like the tail that sweeps as a river and bends a certain way. He appears to be shackled and branded with sign. He pastures to the North and looks to the South. The horses Master is a miner and his horse watches him in the distance. Just a distance if there were anything heavy to carry and probably quite near by. The background of the horse is empty and probably in the open as open pasture would be. The view of that of the artist's, sitting on a special rock at the edge of the pasture. with the horse and the open view behind him.................

 

[cactusjumper]

EB,

My comments had nothing to do with Chuck Kenworthy's character, or even what he may have believed. Nice to see you defending your friend.

Take care,

Joe