The Peralta Stones

[ghostdog]

Mr. R.D.T., next time I am in the wilds I will keep my eyes open for a ghostdog, that said I have had visions from time to time but mostly of a indian or groups of indians and other enities I cant really describe. When that happens I do get the shakes. Anyways I will not call you king again until your corination .Also your thoery on the P.S.,sounds as good as any.
I too would like to know about the hole in 1.Do you think it might be a sight hole when alighned properly with the front imfo on the stone at a certain time of day showing a distinct location.

 

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[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HIO Oro: Then I guess that you aren't responsible for the Mayos blue eyes.

Berth . Spain? sheesh pore Oro. I know, being married to a Latina, my Tiger, who has developed an accurate coffee cup throwing ability. Of course, as is common in nature, I have developed an equally uncanny ability to dodge.

Lamar mi buddy, That change seems to be a norm., I was born a blue eyed blond, it turned darker later, then back to it's present extremely Blond (err White) color of today. sigh

Oro, my eyes change color depending upon my mood. If I feel in a very loving / smoochy mood, they are a deep blue, If I am getting ready to shoot you, they go flat grey ?? This gives my Tiger an unfair advantage.

So far it hasn't been passed down. Blue is an extremely regressive color and is dying out.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Good morning Ghost Dog, my new friend: You posted -->

I will not call you king again until your corination
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Sigh, I often wonder when that might be? When I was first on the trail, for some reaason, I always assumed that as soon as you found a lost mine, etc., you merely filled up a wheelbarrow and took off for the Bank. It doesn't seem to work out that way in real life.

Also, I haven't been called "MR" since I left the USAF. Friends do not call each other "MR"--- hint.

Can the hole indicate the actual site of the Mine? I like the sight hole idea also.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[cactusjumper]

Dear Lamar,

You wrote:

"Dear Twisted Fork;
Here is the historical timeline pretaining to the tale of Cibola, my friend:
Quivera and Cibola were two of the seven fabulous cities of gold that first originated when the Moors conquered Merida, Spain in 1150 AD. Columbus discovered America is 1492 AD, which means the fable of Quivera and Cibola predates the discovery of America by 342 years, therefore nobody could have possibly known of the existence of Cibola, Quivera or the other golden cities in the New World because no one had discovered the New World yet."

If you assume that the story is true, which I don't, it follows that the natives would have learned the story from the people who fled from Merida, when they arrived here.

Take care,

Joe

 

[Oroblanco]

HOLA amigos,

Lamar wrote

Having a cathedral or basilica as the seat of a Bishop is not a requirement, per se, rather, it started out as a trend around the 5th century AD in the East.

Thank you Lamar, for the info and for clearing up that it is not a requirement but common practice. I had thought it odd that Greenland actually had a cathedral, but since they had bishops now it makes sense.

Real de Tayopa wrote

Oro, my eyes change color depending upon my mood.

I have that very same problem - though when really angry (which is never, of course!) I get yellow-gold streaks that will remain for a day or so.

Ghostdog - concerning that conspicuous hole, it is my opinion that this is the most important feature on the map, that you are to take a stick and stand it in the hole, with the map oriented so that the Sun would make it cast a shadow on the map - this shadow then indicates the actual site of the treasure, which is otherwise NOT indicated on the map. The secret lies in the correct length of the shadow-stick, and what time of day to use it! All the rest of the markings are really for orientation and to mislead anyone who might get the maps. Just a personal opinion of course.

Lamar wrote

Quivera and Cibola were two of the seven fabulous cities of gold that first originated when the Moors conquered Merida, Spain in 1150 AD.

and Cactusjumper replied

If you assume that the story is true, which I don't, it follows that the natives would have learned the story from the people who fled from Merida, when they arrived here.

I find it interesting that this Cibola legend originates in Merida, which is not on the coast. I am tempted to link this with Plutarch's Life of Sertorius story in which the Roman general is tempted to go to the "Isles of the Blest" which he learns of from local seamen. However it is odd that such a story of ships sailing off to the west to found new cities, should originate in a city which is some distance from the coast. Curse those unfathomable Moors!
Oroblanco

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

OERO: I was just opening the site to post that very same thing. sigh. However, one would have to know the day and the time. Since most did not have the ability to accurately tell time in those days they used the sun's mid day zenith to use as the time marker. This was easily established.

However, I have a different idea on the whole, incluidng using the sun in the afternoon, say the setting sun on a certain day...O----------------------> X

There are undoubtedly marks on the stone that would then make sense.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Oroblanco]

Don Jose' wrote

OERO: I was just opening the site to post that very same thing. sigh.

Well you know what they say - "Great Minds Think Alike"! Oh, wait a minute, maybe that saying goes "Sick Minds Think Alike"!
Oroblanco

 

[cactusjumper]

Roy and Don Jose,

Perhaps you should consider the possibility that the small hole represents an entrance into a larger hole/cave. After you have given that some thought, you might want to read the Harry LaFrance cave of gold bars story. By one of those rare coincidences, that symbol is very close to Harry's path out of the mountains.

Good hunting,

Joe

 

[Oroblanco]

I had not considered that possibility Joe - but as I know of no cave in that area, the connection did not seem apparent. It would be perfectly logical, yet aren't caves more commonly indicated on maps with symbols rather than such a graphic hole? Of course that would be making an assumption the map makers followed convention...

 

[cactusjumper]

Roy,

I have not seen a lot of Spanish stone maps, so I have nothing to compare them with. On the other hand, the most common maps from that period would be on paper. If they were hiding the Kings Royal Fifth, I would not expect they would be using the accepted symbols, codes or methods of concealment.

Just some random opinions from inside the box.

Take care,

Joe

 

[Oroblanco]

I wonder what the diameter of that hole is? Anyone know? Thank you in advance,
Oroblanco

 

[lamar]

Dear Oroblanco;
Many people, Catholics included, get a particular mental picture when they hear the word *cathedral*. They picture a sprawling oppulent structure, with huge doors, intricate carvings, huge stained glass windows, etc. This is an inaccurate depection my friend. The seat of the diocesial Bishoporic always designates at least one church, and sometimes more, as a cathedral. This may be nothing more than simple chapel, yet if it is designated as the seat of the diocese it then garners the title of Cathedral.

Also, if a diocese is large enough, then there may be more than one church designated as a cathedral. In this case, the multiple cathedral assume the title of *co-cathedral*.

If a church was at one time the seat of a Bishoporic, it then assumes the title of *proto-cathedral* and if a parish church is a temporary cathedral, it assumes the title of *pro-cathedral*.

Several dioceses which are connected to one another geographically may also be have a metropolitan Bishop appointed. This is known as a metropolitan diocese and the seat carries the title of Metropolitan cathedral.

Confusing, isn't it my friend? :-)
Your friend;
LAMAR

 

[Twisted Fork]

good morning my Friends: Twisted, a question, what does the large hole in the stone represent? as for the smaller ones on the river' they are obviously placer occurrences since most are where a river placer would occur and their feeds. As for the very small one at the right, bottom I have my own ideas, but I have yet to hear of an explanaton.

Don Jose de La Mancha

The final "heading" from the outfield apex, shoots from a single barrel cactus, off into the distance to a point in between two barrel cactus. The single cactus is the big knife and this line passes over the pit and used to pass over the stone head that Waltz said he pick a face on, just above the pit. This hole also resembles the "head" of a barrel and a shadow it casts below.

 

[cactusjumper]

Mr. Fork,

Very well done indeed. On the other hand, you have left out the single most important factor in the entire puzzle.

What of the solar azimuth angle of the shadow created by the infield apex as it falls across that very same cactus at 4:00 on August 14th.? Without that calculation, you end up in.........Peoria.

Nice post!

Joe

 

[Cubfan64]

Mr. Fork,

Very well done indeed. On the other hand, you have left out the single most important factor in the entire puzzle.

What of the solar azimuth angle of the shadow created by the infield apex as it falls across that very same cactus at 4:00 on August 14th.? Without that calculation, you end up in.........Peoria.

Nice post!

Joe

Hey, I've been to Peoria - it's not such a bad place

 

[Oroblanco]

HOLA amigos,

Lamar wrote

Many people, Catholics included, get a particular mental picture when they hear the word *cathedral*. <snip>
...Confusing, isn't it my friend? :-)

Yes indeed. What I find most curious is that case of Vinland. Our experts and historians state flatly that it was a very short lived-colony, which lasted a few years at most. (Nine years max viz Diamond's Collapse) so if it was discovered around the year 1000 or 1002, why should the Church have dispatched a Bishop to visit the colony over 100 years later in 1117 AD? Why too would the Church then assign a Bishop to that same supposedly long-abandoned colony a short three years later (1120 AD) who is said to arrive there a year later? (Eirik Upse) This simply doesn't make sense, if it were truly an abandoned colony in a matter of a few years, as our historians claim - at least in my opinion. How can this be reconciled? Are we to assume that the Church made a foolish error sending a Bishop to Vinland in 1117, then an even larger mistake by assigning a Bishop to head the empty colony a few years later? What do you think? Thank you in advance.

A note on the images of the Peralta Stones we have been discussing here, I am of the opinion that these images are not of the originals but of castings - good castings but the little details seem to be missing.

Cubfan wrote

Hey, I've been to Peoria - it's not such a bad place

Would you consider Peoria to qualify as a "treasure"?
Oroblanco

 

[cactusjumper]

Roy,

This is a copy of the original picture of the Stone Maps:

These pictures are of the stones in the museum:

Take care,

Joe

 

[Oroblanco]

MUCHAS GRACIAS Joe!

 

[Oroblanco]

Don Jose, la Hombe de la Mancha wrote

Berth . Spain? sheesh pore Oro.

I thought she would have responded to this, but since it seems she missed it I will. Her maiden name is LaFortune, (French) but also with Irish ancestry; her first husband had Spanish roots. Her second husband has a rather different mix, but also including ancestors from the Emerald Isle.
Oroblanco

 

[ghostdog]

Wow those stone maps are huge and heavy and old, my view is they were meant to be found and deciphered. Their must be more stone maps connected to this puzzle still buried somewhere.Is it possible their is a map room somewhere,like a library ?