The Peralta Stones

[Old Dog]

If he is referring to a compass being a machine... he is still wrong.
An azimuth is a line based on a compass reading and a course plotted with a map.
It has nothing to do with binary language what so ever.

This is the kind of BS-gobldy goop that keeps BB on ignore.
He says this kind of crap to change a subject and derail away from the original topic.

He needs to think he is superior to everyone here.
So far, after all the years he has yet to prove anything more than he just can't take a picture.
Or post a clear one.

I still say... BS walks.

(no need to reply BB, You enter another year on ignore)

 

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"I exist to Live, not live to exist

 

[Old Dog]

Old friend, if you throw a ball for her (or just show it to her LOL)
she would be your bestust buddy.
I retired her at the age of 11 because she has no fear of a shot and has lost the ability to discern between a pistol and a shotgun.
I didn't want her to bolt out and get shot from some dummy having pistol practice.

Here is my new girl in training.

 

[Furness]

BB tries to cobble half ideas together and make a whole,
he still hasn't figured out that if you take half an orange and half an apple you just end up with a lemon.
and thinking along the lines of the moon must be made of green cheese because the astronauts didn't say it wasn't, !!!

John

 

[Springfield]

If he is referring to a compass being a machine... he is still wrong.
An azimuth is a line based on a compass reading and a course plotted with a map.
It has nothing to do with binary language what so ever.

This is the kind of BS-gobldy goop that keeps BB on ignore.
He says this kind of crap to change a subject and derail away from the original topic.

He needs to think he is superior to everyone here.
So far, after all the years he has yet to prove anything more than he just can't take a picture.
Or post a clear one.

I still say... BS walks.

(no need to reply BB, You enter another year on ignore)

Yes, ignore indeed. Everything the fellow has posted is nonsense intended to attract attention to himself. IMO, the fellow is either a troll with tremendous patience or institutionalized. Very sad, but life goes on.

 

[Blindbowman]

a azimuth angle is based on the binary as machine language

At first glance, that statement makes no sense whatsoever.

Can you expand on that to a point where it makes sense? Or explain what you mean by it in relation to what you are saying?

yes all numberical systems are basic binary digits . it has nothing to do with who design the given numberical system in question .. all are based on even and odd factors of binary relationships between pro and con factors threw out any given set of digits or values ..

few if anyone here would posably under stand it at that level that why you see the replies above .. those are the ones that dont not undewr stand binary code logics ...

the azimuth ia a messurement of angle in degrees .. based on the number digit of our system ..

the system it self is in fact based on a set binary sequence ..

ignore ...lol ... i have not carred about anything you have said in a long time why would start now ..

you most like have never even held a sexton in your life time ...l0l

 

[Blindbowman]

If he is referring to a compass being a machine... he is still wrong.
An azimuth is a line based on a compass reading and a course plotted with a map.
It has nothing to do with binary language what so ever.

This is the kind of BS-gobldy goop that keeps BB on ignore.
He says this kind of crap to change a subject and derail away from the original topic.

He needs to think he is superior to everyone here.
So far, after all the years he has yet to prove anything more than he just can't take a picture.
Or post a clear one.

I still say... BS walks.

(no need to reply BB, You enter another year on ignore)

lol

OD:If he is referring to a compass being a machine... he is still wrong.


BB: lol a machine can be anything with one moveing part or more ..

OD:An azimuth is a line based on a compass reading"

BB: LOL no it is not where did you get that idea from .. a compass reading is a bearing line or line of bearing . it is not a azimuth value at all..

OD : a course plotted with a map

BB: your ether talking about a bearing line or a dr tracking . or your totally confused friend .. a course ploted on a map is a DR track .

OD:It has nothing to do with binary language what so ever.

BB: sorry your wrong .. all numberical systems are based on binary sequence ..


you can say what ever you want

you have not said anything interesting in years anyway ...

i thank you for the ignore you lock your self out because you dont have the IQ to under stand the simplest of logics .. often the case in old desert rats ...

 

[Blindbowman]

its good you think the way you do .. i hope there are more that think like you do .. the dead fall wont be wasted will it ... lol

so if your all so much smarter then i am then why did none of you know the stones were a BOOK ...?

ya that what i thaught .. all talk and full of SH **!

in fact you remind me of the rest of the so called DON's

in fact you guys sound more like Lady GAGA ......LOL

 

[EE THr]

BB---

So you are referring to a 180 vs. 360 degree vector system?

Then are you talking about elevation vector rather than horizontal azimuth?

As in the top diagram on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azimuth?

That seems to be the only thing that fits your description, unless there is more to it.

 

[EE THr]

BB---

Sorry, I was going from memory only, and all I remembered was the 360 vs. 180 part.

I just re-read your post, and it appears that you are referring to 180 on the right of the reference vector, and 180 on the left of it, with one side considered +, and the other -. Right?

 

[Blindbowman]

BB---

So you are referring to a 180 vs. 360 degree vector system?

Then are you talking about elevation vector rather than horizontal azimuth?

As in the top diagram on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azimuth?

That seems to be the only thing that fits your description, unless there is more to it.

azimuth is messured in degrees of elevation from 0.00 to 90.degrees that is the scale of azimuth


if you refering to 360 degrees scale you are talking about bearing .. it has nothing to do with aziumth.

you are confused .. a azimuth reading may be scaled in degrees as are those of bearing . but they are not bearings ..azimuth are messurements of elevation given in a scale of degrees .. they are not breaings ...

i am sorry i do not have time to train you in advanced mathimatics nor will set back and answer question the rest of life .. lol

 

[Blindbowman]

BB---

Sorry, I was going from memory only, and all I remembered was the 360 vs. 180 part.

I just re-read your post, and it appears that you are referring to 180 on the right of the reference vector, and 180 on the left of it, with one side considered +, and the other -. Right?

you are correct ,, some of the others much like joe do not under stand shuips heading . is given in two dirrection . port and starboard .. 180 degree in both dirrection from the ships bow heading of 0.00 degree dead ahead .. and yes you are correct in that under standing ...
when a vector system is in place it is much like loran C or A , or Omaga charts . the vector or grid is allrady in place before the chart is dr tracked with your future corse ...

in loran the charts are scaled in messurements useing Loran c or A lay out grids . you can convert fixes to scale and plot them on the loran charts . most of the time its easy to take loran readings from a loran repeter these reading are then corrected and ploted to a loran chart that is already to scale for loran readings . each fix has a set of 3 reading to create one fix . 3 fixes are needed before a DR track can be created ..

i am sorry i will not post data about the Omaga system here on a public forum...or that of nav sat 1...

the stones do not use those 2 systems and they are a need to know and most do will never need to know ...lol unless you have a radar repeter in your pocket the data would do you no go ...

i will say this .. Omaga systems are one of the only system of nav that can correct magnic feild displacment in a give area ..why because it creates its only magentic feild in the ships gyro repetes.. my spell may suck but my under standing of the systems is advanced ..

see when told joe the dagger dose not point north i was telling him the truth .. he is to pig headed to under stand it and when i get thew chance i will set down and show him he is in fact wrong ... with out any dout what so ever ..

 

[EE THr]

BB---

I do understand the binary numeral system, and computer programming, so I am familiar with machine language.

I have worked at a Loran-C transmitting station, and I have worked on Loran-A and Loran-C receivers.

I have stood helm watch at sea.

Your attempt to explain away your mistake in saying that the angles in a triangle add up to 360 degrees, by bringing in binary numbers, is total drivel.

And from your statements, I can tell that you have no clue as to how Loran works.

P.S. The Omega system went obsolete in 1997. So if you could tell us, you wouldn't have to kill us.

 

[cactusjumper]

BB---

I do understand the binary numeral system, and computer programming, so I am familiar with machine language.

I have worked at a Loran-C transmitting station, and I have worked on Loran-A and Loran-C receivers.

I have stood helm watch at sea.

Your attempt to explain away your mistake in saying that the angles in a triangle add up to 360 degrees, by bringing in binary numbers, is total drivel.

And from your statements, I can tell that you have no clue as to how Loran works.

P.S. The Omega system went obsolete in 1997. So if you could tell us, you wouldn't have to kill us.

EE,

I imagine bb was in the service a few years back, so it makes sense that he is still overly impressed with technology that becomes obsolete at a rapid pace. That does not make it any less accurate, information wise. He probably knows what he is talking about, it's just that he is as dated as the Omega System. Many of us have a hard time leaving our glory years behind us.

That being said, he should probably avoid schooling strangers on technology that became obsolete thirteen years ago (Sept. 30, 1997). Not hard to find information on that system, they even have books on the subject. Can't imagine anyone would care these days.

Take care,

Joe

 

[EE THr]

Joe---

That does not make it any less accurate, information wise. He probably knows what he is talking about....

...Can't imagine anyone would care these days.

Take care,

Joe

Well, since he brags about the games he plays on us here at TreasureNet, then I figured he wouldn't mind if I played back.

First he uses a Straw Man argument, to shift the focus off his trig mistake, and onto another topic (binary numeral system). Trouble is, with a Straw Man, you're supposed to shift away from a losing argument, to one which you can win.

Instead, he shifted to a bunch of BS fluff.

First he said he was working on a 180 degree calculating method, instead of 360 degree. Then he goofed that up when he said no, it's 90 degrees. But then changed back to 180 degrees.

Then, when he saw he was in trouble there, he drifted it off into radio navigation systems, which he doesn't understand. For example, there is no such thing as a Loran repeater. A repeater would defeat the entire purpose of Loran, because it is based on precision timing down to one millionth of a second, and a repeater would throw that all off.

Then he mentioned using radar equipment with Loran and Omega. Radar operates operates at the higher ends of the frequency spectrum, but Loran and Omega are in the lower.

That's just some of the nonsensical fluff he put out, on the question I asked.

So, judging from his seemingly uncontrollable propensity to pad his posts with imaginary data, I don't thing BB can school anyone in anything, whether it's obsolete or not. And that's the gist of my post, not anything particular about a past technology.



P.S. I almost forgot---he says that all numerical systems are based on binary. That's just plain silly. Numerical systems are merely symbolic representations of the quantity of something. If you have a dozen rocks, no matter what language or counting system you use to represent that amount, you still end up with a dozen rocks. Binary is used in computers because it can represent the on-off state of a relay, vacuum tube, or semiconductor device, or, to count higher than just zero and one, several such devices in parallel.

 

[cactusjumper]

EE,

I don't disagree with anything you have written.......except this:

"For example, there is no such thing as a Loran repeater."

Want to rephrase that?

Take care,

Joe

 

[EE THr]

Joe---

Um...no...why?

 

[cactusjumper]

EE,

While there may be no such thing as a "Loran repeater"...... Per se, both Loran and Omega systems, as I understand them, are commonly used with repeaters. I know next to nothing about the technology, but believe I have seen them used on small boats I have chartered. It's been quite a few years, so am I mistaken?

Since a Loran system uses pulse's, is it ever used with a pulse repeater (transponder)? Isn't the slave station in a Loran system, essentially a "repeater" or relay station?

Thanks,

Joe

 

[EE THr]

Joe---

What you saw on the boats were Loran receivers.

Loran-A stations generate one pulse per timing cycle, and Loran-C stations generate eight pulses per cycle, except the Master has a ninth pulse, a little further apart from the first eight, to identify it as the Master.

Loran-A receivers sample the pulse modulaton waveform, or envelope, while Loran-C samples both the carrier frequency and the modulated envelopes which form the pulse shapes.

Each Loran station, the Master and the Slaves, generate their own, clean, transmission signals. They all have receivers, and so each monitors all the stations in the chain (on the U.S. East Coast chain, there was also a monitor-only station on Bermuda). The Slaves synchronize their transmissions to the Master station, plus a different assigned fixed delay for each Slave. All the Slaves complete their timing cycle transmission in turn, before the Master transmitts again.

A repeater would really mess up the timing in that system. Besides, since it is based on the speed of radio waves arriving at different times due to different distances, any difference in transmitter location would defeat the whole purpose.

The Slave stations wouldn't just repeat their received signal anyway, because there would be too much noise, and that would reduce the range because the sampling in the receivers would be adversely affected by all the noise.

The way you get a reading is when the receiver's sampling gate(s) are at the correct position on the pulse(s), you read how much time delay was added to get it there. Then look on the Loran chart for two lines with numbers closest to your reading, and interpolate in between. Then get another reading to a different slave. A third reading makes it even better.

Also, a repeaters re-transmitted signal is on a slightly different frequency.

So there are four reasons why repeaters don't work with Loran.

 

[Blindbowman]

BB---

I do understand the binary numeral system, and computer programming, so I am familiar with machine language.

I have worked at a Loran-C transmitting station, and I have worked on Loran-A and Loran-C receivers.

I have stood helm watch at sea.

Your attempt to explain away your mistake in saying that the angles in a triangle add up to 360 degrees, by bringing in binary numbers, is total drivel.

And from your statements, I can tell that you have no clue as to how Loran works.

P.S. The Omega system went obsolete in 1997. So if you could tell us, you wouldn't have to kill us.

lol very true i was a QM in 1978-1981...
and yes i know how loran works and just because you were a boesin dose not mean you know jack about true navigation .. lol

deck hands are deck hands ...lol