The Peralta Stones

[Blindbowman]

i guess the computer did not like the cpu the memory and the graphic cards overclocked that much ...lol so i am putting in the new Q9650 tomorrow ,, slow down the cpu speed and go to a full quad and see if that helps ...

treasure hunting takes a lot of testing and smileing and beer in my case 151 ... and coffie

i guess i cant treasure hunt for a while . i am on the sh** list with my girlfriend .. when she saw the price of the new chrome on the front of my bike this week .. i told her the only thing that was not chrome was the front tire and brake lines ,, if they made them in chrome i would get them too and she gave me a look worse then and serial killer could .. lol

i will eat my computer repair cost and say very little and hope the xmas spirit and a trip to the sallon helps .. so hows your dagger pointing joe .. you do know that when i can get the chance i will stop all the fun and show you how to use that map .. sh88 joe i can even show you how to read someone else map with a telescope ...lol




PS.. remember if its really hot and sunny out there in the desert and you stop to look at your map and a passing cloud cast a shadow on your map, you better look up fast there is most likely 3 or 4 other treasure hunters looking over your shoulder ...lol

ya got love the supers ,the only place in the west where the bushwackers have toget a number and stand in line ...

 

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[Ellie Baba]

Blindbowman,

A question concerning latitude and longitude. Correct me if I am wrong. When one prepares a map at sea is it true that the term phi is used to identify a position of latitude? Why? What about using phi to identify a latitude on land? And how would one use a phi latitude as a primary location to apply PHI; the Golden Mean? I understand the use of the radius to determine a location based on a clear sphere and I am assuming this excercise should produce a longitude? See attached reference to the golden mean below.

Please explain in an easy to understand manner if you will. This question is open to anyone who would be interested in presenting an explanation of this navagational/land mapping process.

Ellie Baba

 

[Blindbowman]

Blindbowman,

A question concerning latitude and longitude. Correct me if I am wrong. When one prepares a map at sea is it true that the term phi is used to identify a position of latitude? Why? What about using phi to identify a latitude on land? And how would one use a phi latitude as a primary location to apply PHI; the Golden Mean? I understand the use of the radius to determine a location based on a clear sphere and I am assuming this excercise should produce a longitude? See attached reference to the golden mean below.

Please explain in an easy to understand manner if you will. This question is open to anyone who would be interested in presenting an explanation of this navagational/land mapping process.

Ellie Baba

OK . did you ever wonder why they dont use lat & lon on land ?? there is your answer ..

they are not messureing the phi .. the Phi is only a given scale of a circles arc .... in navigation your your messureing from a given point along a arc of the earths surface . the line of arc has a azimeth in respec t to your point of location, much the same way as your drawing used in construction . with one differnce in geo mathimatics we have a level plain to judge our equation on .. that dose apply in navigation in the messurement of the arc vs the azimeth of a given point we can collate the distence from that point and apply it to a given standard in most cases a nav chart .... on land we dont have that true horizon beyond 22 miles ..are based in degrees and change with the degrees of the earths lat and lon ..

thats where your construction equation works as a mathimatical equation but not as a navigational reference point ...

the azimeth is a messurement of arc from a given point to the horizon .. these mesurements changes with the elevation of the given point in relationship to the the earth surface .. so where & how are you going to create a artifcial horizin...?and if you could how are you going to relate that artifical horizon to a given point on land ..

the azimeth is not based on a given point on land for a good reason . its messures a given line of messurement in degrees to the point .. this is why when shoting sunlines the sexton is used as if it were a pendulum the swinging of the arc of its pendulum vs the arc of the earths surface counter and off set the balance between the readings ,, this is why when shoting star lines , they are taken in sets of 3 .. the theory is simple in nature .. if all three are never 100 % when are they the closest ... the azimeth gives us 3 lines in relateionship to each other .. we can take the first line and correct the timeing of the 2 and 3 lines and by collulating the time diffrence we can see how close they are to each other at a given point in time at a given degree those degrees are layed out as lat & lon .. in this way we can judge the diffrence in placement of the 3 lines .. the azimeth is only a messurement from a given point to a fixed line of degree.. in this case the line of degree is the horizon , how good the fix is , is based on the skill of the navigator to balance the sexton and get clear readings . that are then compaired and ploted .. on land if you did created a fixed artifical horizon .. it would not change with the surface of the earth and how could you change your artifical horizon in relationship to your movements .. ...?


would it be posable to create a lat and lon for land .. good question many have tryed .. . me included was i able to create a azimeth reading on land yes .. but it took about a 15 min to get one line of a fix . and as the time passes between each line recorded the variation changes between them ...

your going to say how is that posable .. say your at a given lat . 33. 20 10.1 OK now pick a location at that same lat over water now do you see how it would be posable ...? i can not judge where the horizon is if i can not see it but i can judge where it would be at a given point over water and by knowing the distence from that point over water to where i am . then i can judge and create a artifical horizon and i can uses the correction for that given point over land see where it hits on land and then messure the diffrence between the given point and my own location .. thus i two compairable scale of messure that i can relate to each other ..

its very complex but it dose work to a given unrefind messurement sorce ..., maybe a 1/2 mile area on land .. vs 1/4 in real navigation at sea ..the avg preson may get with in 1 mile of his true ..location ..


if you think thats a worthy scale .. go out in the supers and have a friend walk 1 mile away by GPS and then see if you can still see him in a strainght line , the elevation of the land vs water would tell you why it dose not work ..

because even with the arc of the earth water is flat .at sea level ..

land is not and thats why it dosent work the same way ... lol

 

[Springfield]

Latitude is a 'fixed' value based on the observer's distance north or south of the equator, and can be accurately determined with simple tools nearly anywhere on earth.

Longitude is a 'relative' value based on the observer's east/west location based on an arbitrary baseline (currently Greenwich, England is the zero meridian). Longitude is directly linked to the 24-hour sun cycle and cannot be determined accurately elsewhere on earth without knowing the exact local time in Greenwich. Certain celestial observations theoretically can be used to estimate longitude, but as Columbus learned, they are terribly unreliable, being hundreds of miles innacurate.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Good morning my formerly missing friends:

A) Latitude and Long can easily be established anywhere on our planet.

B) A sextant uses the horizon for it's reference point, i.e. the base to establish elevation, in this case of a Celestial body.

C) Long is basically established by comparing the local sidereal Sun max elevation at noon, and comparing this with an accurate Chronometer adjusted to a fixed location on Earth. Most use Greenwich or the Washington national observatory.

D) On land a substitute horizon is used, such as a plumb line or simply a bubble level which is incorporated into the device used for establishing the elevation of the Celestial body in land surveying. In some cases, for extreme lab accuracy, they use an open pool of Mercury to establish the precise base level and elevation angle. It will always be perfectly level with the Earth's surface, given a few areas of a Geological anomaly.

E) An Azimuth is simply the angular difference between two different objects. No base reference is needed.

Geeze BB, you made me get a few rusted gears to working again, you owe me a handful of Aspirin.

Don Jose de La Mancha
"I exist to Live, not live to exist".

 

[Blindbowman]

you do not under stand who & what stands before you ..

 

[Javaone]

Interesting stuff guys… Soooo, as this is pertaining to the stone maps – Why do you ask? EB

Assuming they are real, a well educated person (even in the 1750s) could determine a lon and lat if he wanted to construct an accurate map for his colleagues to follow. The lat lon would need to be determined first in order to construct the rest accurately. The area selected to best determine the lon lat would be easiest if it were in an area that had a fairly clear line of sight from horizon to horizon – at least east-west.

Jerry

 

[Ellie Baba]

Thanks Guys,

The mapping discussion clears up my mind's eye. If someone were to hide a treasure by using Lat & Lon, but only provided me with one lspecific location identified by "phi" which of the terms would I use as a line? A line of latitude or a line of longitude; or would it even matter?

This information was provided as a result of using the Stone Maps (we are staying on subject).

We are located on land and we must use the "Golden Mean" or Phi rectangular tool on the map, laid out on the "phi" line. How would we set this up and put it in motion? Any ideas?

Ellie B

 

[Springfield]

Thanks Guys,

The mapping discussion clears up my mind's eye. If someone were to hide a treasure by using Lat & Lon, but only provided me with one lspecific location identified by "phi" which of the terms would I use as a line? A line of latitude or a line of longitude; or would it even matter?

This information was provided as a result of using the Stone Maps (we are staying on subject).

We are located on land and we must use the "Golden Mean" or Phi rectangular tool on the map, laid out on the "phi" line. How would we set this up and put it in motion? Any ideas?

Ellie B

φ can represent latitude, yes, but it can also represent an azimuth angle or a polar angle - all potential mapping tools. As you've noted, φ can also represent a geometric ratio, which can also be used in any number of mapping strategies, even fractals. Of course, φ can also represent an arbitrary concept known only to the mapper as a security measure. Lots of possibilities - a good CAD program makes it easier to evaluate the options. Good luck.

 

[Blindbowman]

Thanks Guys,

The mapping discussion clears up my mind's eye. If someone were to hide a treasure by using Lat & Lon, but only provided me with one lspecific location identified by "phi" which of the terms would I use as a line? A line of latitude or a line of longitude; or would it even matter?

This information was provided as a result of using the Stone Maps (we are staying on subject).

We are located on land and we must use the "Golden Mean" or Phi rectangular tool on the map, laid out on the "phi" line. How would we set this up and put it in motion? Any ideas?

Ellie B

φ can represent latitude, yes, but it can also represent an azimuth angle or a polar angle - all potential mapping tools. As you've noted, φ can also represent a geometric ratio, which can also be used in any number of mapping strategies, even fractals. Of course, φ can also represent an arbitrary concept known only to the mapper as a security measure. Lots of possibilities - a good CAD program makes it easier to evaluate the options. Good luck.

savant is faster ... lol

a azimuth angle is based on the binary as machine language the x ,y and z axis .. if you stand at point (Z)... (X)
and (Y) become the two other points of the triangle .. in machine language we know the ratio changes with the shape of the tri angle . but the total of all the angles must equal 360 degrees in this way if you know any two points we can locate the 3rd .. these are the same basics in trianglation navigation ..


the most common used is the 360 degree format .. both in geo and nav as well as machine language why .. the same reason they add 100 degrees to the scale when useing the equation .. if your answers have one scale vs two .. it makes it easyer and faster to handle multi number patterns or sequences ..


this was the problem with early navigation as well ..
when you take a sexton reading . you are messureing the azimuth from point x the sun to point y the horizon to locate your position at point Z ..see you may not know where you are but by knowing the azimuth you can messure the angle between you and the two other points .. reverse the direction out ward and there you are .. thats the basic under standing of how azimuth relates to the location on the surface of the earth and your unknown location ...

say the angle at x is 90 degrees . and the angle at y is 90 degrees . then we know the unknown angle at Z is 180 degrees... ..

i am sorry this will not help you with the stones ..

it is interesting never the less...


sorry its been hard week .. . sick twice and just killed a $50 bearing this after noon..

it took two weeks to get the bearing ,it took 5 mins to destore it .. i just will not leave anything in my bike that is not to factory speck,, prefection or its histroy ... am replaceing and updateing all bearings in the bike to speck ...mic everything ..lol

 

[Ellie Baba]

Thanking you all for the tips and enlightenment.

Ellie B

 

[Blindbowman]

RD you got to much junk mail in your mail box .. lol

 

[Loke]

...
but the total of all the angles must equal 360 degrees
...

*chuckles* and here was me thinking that the sum of the angles in a triangle was always 180 degrees ... obviously depending whether or not you are in an Euclidean space or not ... but then, even if you are not, we are talking about _small_ differences from 180.

Ahhh - just realized this my 100th post - now a full member ... yeehaw!!!

 

[Blindbowman]

...
but the total of all the angles must equal 360 degrees
...

*chuckles* and here was me thinking that the sum of the angles in a triangle was always 180 degrees ... obviously depending whether or not you are in an Euclidean space or not ... but then, even if you are not, we are talking about _small_ differences from 180.

Ahhh - just realized this my 100th post - now a full member ... yeehaw!!!

i am sorry i forgot i dont use the same type of mathimatic .. you guys do math diffrently then us .. maybe some day i will be able to explain how the 360 vs 180 degree vector system works .. it gives you a postive and negitive at the same time .. sorry in your world you are correct .. but you also have two and one digit answers .. i dont .

i rise the scale to thousand and trianglate in 3 digits and no longer worry about digit placement ..

 

[Twisted Fork]

Each place out of a half dozen or so that I have researched, all lead in from the North West; whether there is a trail or not. Mapped Similar to a taro card table setting of the old world card placement at the beginning position and such as such in sequence.

 

[Blindbowman]

TF i thaught of that it did not work . because the sorce of the leeds came from diffrent sroces . thus you can not compair them as if they came from the same sorce .. good try . shows your useing your head ...now if you compair the sorces and where they got there bearings from .. then you may have something .. you may not ...lol

 

[freddy williams]

Okey everyone look at the map with the knife on it . What if the knife was stabbed in the ground and the arrows now point up an to the west. Then the rest of tthe map is with the knife upside down. I have been researching these caches of gold and this info is the best I have found yet. HH to everyone

 

[Blindbowman]

Okey everyone look at the map with the knife on it . What if the knife was stabbed in the ground and the arrows now point up an to the west. Then the rest of tthe map is with the knife upside down. I have been researching these caches of gold and this info is the best I have found yet. HH to everyone

welcome freddy ... there are so many opioions out there one more will not hert .. i translated the stone a few years ago and it took another two years or so to finish the tralsation . 9 years to start with .. so if you think you have something at this point your welcome to test your thoeries .. or keep them in your pocket and wait for the evidence to catch up with your theories ..


who knows .. you could enjoy your self at the lest right ?

 

[EE THr]

a azimuth angle is based on the binary as machine language

At first glance, that statement makes no sense whatsoever.

Can you expand on that to a point where it makes sense? Or explain what you mean by it in relation to what you are saying?

 

[Loke]

a azimuth angle is based on the binary as machine language

At first glance, that statement makes no sense whatsoever.

Can you expand on that to a point where it makes sense? Or explain what you mean by it in relation to what you are saying?

he he he - it doesn't make any sense if you read it more than once either ...
What is he going on about 'machine language'
I do believe it is a (rather) futile attempt at sounding more important than what you are ...

Now - as for 'machine language' - there is no such thing when it comes to data - other than big/little endian and possibly no. of bits.
data is data in any language *lol*