The Peralta Stones

[Oroblanco]

Don Jose', Dueno y Real de Tayopa wrote

Ladies and gentlemen: when the stones were 'made' determines just how sophisticated an audience they would be protecting their secret form. 1800's or prior, would be mostly an uneducated or severely limited ability of solving it..

Maybe we are being too clever in our attempts to solve them ??

Sometimes things can be too simple, and we over-think the solutions. This could be true with the stone maps.

Cactusjumper wrote

The trail maps are as simple as it comes. Those who are trying see the correlation with the Horse/Priest are unable to see the trail maps for what they are, a simple map of the western portion of the Superstition Mountains.

There are times when looking to the stars for answers, only obscures the obvious picture that is in front of you.

You might ask where the Horse/Priests Stones were when it came time to take those early pictures. My guess is that they were nowhere.

On the other hand, maybe the answer really is in some distant constellation.

First, LOVE your photos; won't be hunting again this year but I still love seeing them and the Colorado rockies are some of the most beautiful country there is.

Next - how can we be sure the stone maps apply to the Superstitions as you propose? Where is anything marked on the map, that is un-mistakably a landmark in the Superstitions (like Four Peaks, Weavers Needle etc)? For that matter, where in the Superstitions is the Valley of the Hearts? According to that legend, which superficially seems to be what the stone maps could be tied to, there should be three hearts (so we are missing one) and a Valley of the Hearts as well, where the gift of the three deer hearts was presented. As far as I know, no one has yet identified any valley or canyon in the Superstitions as the Valley of the Hearts.
Oroblanco

 

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[somehiker]

Joe:
The other stones offer more answers than questions,to me at least.The trail maps are indeed simple,since they give only what guidance is necessary to locate the final destinations.Some may find their final destination in the western superstitions and will be satisfied with the result.I have chosen to look elsewhere,using neither stars nor topo maps to find my own trail and my own solution.I chose instead,to make use of all of the stones in my efforts to find my own solution.I am satisfied with that decision and will continue to share my opinions.

Don Jose:
Most of the landmarks that you mention do appear on the maps,IMO,as well as some that you have not.
I'm not familiar with the Valley of Hearts story,but the valley that shelters the heart shaped mound also features the large hillside heart as well.That valley does become a deep canyon just below the hearts.There is a third heart as well,my ace in the hole.

Regards:SH.

 

[SANTA FE NEW MEXICAN]

Real WROTE: """"((((As it is, how would you send instructions on solving it to a third party?))))""""
Answer: "The way to solve the mystery of the Peralta Stone Maps is to follow the directions engraved right on them, “BUSCA EL MAPA,” Study the Maps, and then follow them to where you think they lead. When you have arrive at what you believe to be the end of the trail, you remove the original Heart insert from the cavity in the top Trail Map and """"((((insert the Latin Heart into the cavity))))"""" (This explains why the Heart Cavity was cut out in the upper Trail Map and the original Heart is removable. “BUSCA EL COAZON,” """"((((Study the “Latin Heart))))""""”. If you find the landmarks specified on the Latin Heart in the vicinity around you, """"YOU"""" ARE AT THE END OF THE TRAIL!"

Quoted By: Mr. Jim Hatt

 

[Oroblanco]

Santa Fe NM wrote

BUSCA EL COAZON,” """"((((Study the “Latin Heart))))""""”.

I respectfully disagree on your translation of the word "BUSCA" - it means "hunt" not "study". Hence, "hunt the heart" not "study the latin heart". Also, the stone map inscription doesn't include that word "Latin", just "busca el coazon".
Oroblanco

 

[SANTA FE NEW MEXICAN]

HOLA ORO: I respectfully Agree - it means "hunt" not "study". Hence, "hunt the heart" not "study the latin heart - I always said - If you want to kill my Horse """"((((You must shoot him in the heart.))))"""" Also ORO WROTE:, the stone map inscription doesn't include that word "Latin", just "busca el coazon".
My Response: The origins of Pig Latin are unknown. One early mention of the name was in Putnam's Magazine in May 1869 as Mike McChesney say's HA HA HA Just Kidding ORO.

 

[Oroblanco]

HAHAHA Santa Fe NM; now I have a riddle for you - what do Cabeza de Vaca and Francisco Coronado have in common, that may relate to the Peralta stones?
Oroblanco

 

[SANTA FE NEW MEXICAN]

1519 Hernan Cortes invades Mexico, completing his conquest of the Aztec empire in 1521 and establishing the colony of New Spain.
THE JOURNEY OF CABEZA DE VACA (1528-1536)

1528 Alvar Nuñez Cabeza de Vaca, survivor of an ill-fated attempt to conquer Florida and the southeast, is shipwrecked on Galveston Island off the Texas coast and begins his eight year odyssey as one of the first Europeans to set foot in the West.

1534 After living six years among the Indians of the Texas coast, Cabeza de Vaca and his three fellow survivors -- one an African slave named Esteban -- begin their travels across Texas and the Southwest into northern Mexico, protected by Cabeza's reputation as a healer and man of peace.

1536 Cabeza de Vaca and his companions meet a band of Spanish slave hunters near Culiacan on the Mexican west coast and make their way to Mexico City, where their adventure sparks interest in the mysterious lands to the north.

1538 Fray Marcos de Niza, a Franciscan friar, is sent to explore the lands to the north of Mexico, guided by Esteban, the African who had accompanied Cabeza de Vaca. Within a year, Marcos returns with news of a great city called Cibola, where Esteban was killed, which from a distance appeared to him "bigger than the city of Mexico."

1539 Hernando de Soto lands at Tampa Bay in Florida to begin his bloody expedition across the southeast.
THE CORONADO EXPEDITION (1540-1542)

1540 Francisco Vasquez de Coronado leads Mexico's invasion of the north with an expeditionary force of 300 conquistadors and more than one thousand Indian "allies." When they reach Cibola, they find not the promised metropolis but "a little, crowded village, looking as if it had been crumpled all up together." This is the Zuni Pueblo of Hawikuh, whose warriors answer with arrows when Coronado demands that they swear loyalty to his King. Within an hour, the Spaniards have overrun the pueblo, and over the next few weeks, they conquer the other Zunis in the region.

1540 Lopez de Cardenas, an officer in Coronado's army, sets off to investigate Hopi reports of a great river to the west of their lands. After a 20-day trek, Cardenas becomes the first white man to see the Colorado River from the rim of the Grand Canyon.

1540 Hernando de Alvarado, another Coronado officer, journies with a group of Cicuye Indians back to their homeland. Along the way Alvarado see the ancient mesa-top pueblo of the Acoma, and at Cicuye, on the Pecos River, he learns of wild "cattle" on a nearby plain, like those described by Cabeza de Vaca. Guided there by a Pawnee captive, whom he calls El Turco, Alvarado enters west Texas and sees a vast herd of buffalo. At the same time, he learns from El Turco of a place in the far north called Quivira, where there is an abundance of gold.

1540 Coronado moves his camp to the upper Rio Grande, where his soldiers confiscate one pueblo for winter quarters and loot the surrounding pueblos for supplies. During this operation, a Spaniard rapes an Indian woman, and when Coronado refuses to punish him, the Indians retaliate by stealing horses. Lopez de Cardenas attacks the thieves' pueblo, captures 200 men and methodically burns them all at the stake.

1541 Faced with an incipient uprising, Coronado orders an attack on Moho pueblo, a center of Indian resistance. His men are repulsed when they try to scale the walls, so they settle in for a seige that lasts from January through March. At last, when the Moho try to slip away, the Spaniards kill more than 200 men, women and children in a massacre that pacifies the region.

1541 Coronado sets out in April to investigate El Turco's tales of Quivira. Retracing Alvarado's path, he soon reaches the Texas plains, where there are "so many cattle that it would be impossible to estimate their number, since there was not a single day...that I lost sight of them." He continues for a month, unaware that El Turco is misleading him to the southeast in the hope that he can exhaust the Spaniards and escape. When Coronado discovers the deception, he turns north with 30 men, sending the rest back to their camp on the Rio Grande.

1541 De Soto's expedition crosses the Mississippi into Arkansas, where they are only 300 miles from Coronado as he advances through Kansas, though neither Spaniard is aware of the near-coincidence.

1541 Traveling by compass north across the Texas and Oklahoma panhandles, Coronado comes to the first Quivira settlement on the Arkansas River in early July, discovering a cluster of grass huts, not the opulent city El Turco had described. He continues to explore the region for a month, ranging as far north as the Smoky Hill River in central Kansas. Here torture forces El Turco to confess that he has been deceiving the Spaniards from the outset, and he is choked to death. In late August Coronado begins the long trek back to his camp on the upper Rio Grande, where he spends the winter.

1542 Coronado returns empty-handed to Mexico City in July, where he lives in the disgrace of failure until his death in 1544.

1542 De Soto's expedition circles back to the Mississippi, where De Soto himself dies. His troops then head west again into east Texas, but after months of wandering they return to the Mississippi and construct boats that carry them downriver into the Gulf and, they hope, eventually to Mexico.

1542 Juan Rodriguez Cabrillo is sent on a naval expedition up the California coastline. He sails into San Diego harbor, becoming the first European to enter California, though he finds that the Indians there have already heard that "men like us...bearded, clothed and armed...[are] killing many native Indians." Cabrillo goes on to chart the harbors at San Pedro and Santa Barbara. His expedition spends the winter on Santa Catalina Island, where Cabrillo dies.

1542 Under pressure from religious leaders, especially the Dominican friar Bartolome de Las Casas, Emperor Carlos V attempts to impose "New Laws" on the Spanish colonies, ending the encomienda system that gives settlers the right to Indian slave labor. In Mexico, the New Laws are denounced.

1543 The Cabrillo expedition continues under the command of chief pilot Bartoleme Ferrer, who discovers San Francisco Bay and pushes on to the Rogue River, north of the present border between California and Oregon, before turning back.

1543 The survivors of the De Soto expedition arrive in Mexico, confirming Coronado's report that there is no gold nor wealth among the people to the north.

1546 Spain's "New Laws" barring Indian enslavement are repealed at the insistence of New World colonists, who have developed a society and economy dependent on slave labor.

1552 Bartolome de Las Casa, the first priest ordained in the Western hemisphere and chief architect of the now-defunct "New Laws" against Indian enslavement, publishes Brief Relations of the Destruction of the Indies, which provides many gruesome examples of the colonists' treatment of Indians.

1579 Sir Francis Drake sails into a small harbor north of San Francisco Bay to repair his ship, The Golden Hind, after a year of marauding along the Mexican coast; he claims the surrounding territory for Queen Elizabeth I and England.
THE CREATION OF NEW MEXICO (1598-1607)

1598 Don Juan Oñate leaves Chihuahua to establish the colony of New Mexico, leading a multicultural band of 500 settlers. Advancing up the Rio Grande, he establishes his headquarters at a confiscated pueblo north of present-day Santa Fe, which he names San Juan, creating the first permanent European settlement in the American West.

1599 Oñate retaliates for an Acoma attack on his colony by sending a small force against their nearly-impregnable mesa-top pueblo. Despite the tactical and numerical odds, the Spaniards destroy Acoma, killing 800 men, women and children, and taking more than 500 captive. To make the Acoma living reminders of the need for obedience, Oñate condemns all the male captives older than twenty-five to have one foot cut off.

1599 On Christmas Eve, Oñate declares the conquest of New Mexico complete and establishes his territorial capital near the San Juan pueblo at a settlement he names San Gabriel.

1601 Oñate returns to New Mexico after a six-month search for the fabled city of Quivira in Kansas; on his return he finds the San Gabriel colony nearly deserted.

1602 Sebastian Vizcaino sails along the California coastline in search of a sea-lane to Oñate's colony; he discovers Monterey Bay but no link to the interior.

1603 Oñate explores westward through Arizona to the Gulf of California, searching for gold or silver to capitalize his colony; he returns empty-handed, but stops at El Morro, a massive rock formation near the Hawikuh Zuni pueblo, to add his name to the hundreds of Indian writings already scrached into the stone: "There passed by here the Adelantado Don Juan de Oñate, from the discovery of the Sea of the South, the 16th of April of 1605."

1605 By this time, diseases brought to North America by Europeans have devastated tribes across the continent, with losses in New Spain estimated as high as 90 percent.

1607 Oñate resigns as governor of New Mexico, warning officials in Mexico that the colony will be abandoned if reinforcements do not arrive within the year.

1607 Jamestown founded in Virginia, first permanent English colony on the continent.

1608 Quebec founded in Canada, first permanent French colony on the continent.

1610 Franciscan claims of success in converting the Indians of New Mexico persuade Mexican officials to maintain their colony there rather than abandon Christian souls to damnation. Pedro de Peralta is named governor of the colony and establishes Santa Fe as its new capital. For his Governor's Palace on the new town plaza, he does not recreate the architecture of Spain but instead adopts the style and materials of the pueblos.

1620 English Pilgrims land at Plymouth, Massachusetts.

1650 Horses stolen from the ranches of New Mexico begin to transform the culture of the Plains, enabling Native Americans to hunt buffalo more efficiently and to range farther in battle with their enemies. Within another generation the horse will spread from New Mexico through the region west of the Rocky Mountains to the tribes of the Northwest.

 

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The theories of Raymond Dillman, declaring that the Peralta Stone Tablets were created by Cabeza de Vaca and Estevenico. Covering several archaeological digs in the American Southwest (including the Dillman family’s 1982 dig in Utah that uncovered a fifth stone tablet, three skeletons, and numerous artifacts),

 

[SANTA FE NEW MEXICAN]

Ok Oro Heres one for you - How long did Cain hate his brother?

 

[SANTA FE NEW MEXICAN]

"It cannot be, therefore it is not."
"It could be, therefore it is." "What people think," said Abraham Lincoln, "is more important than what actually is so." Very true.

 

[SANTA FE NEW MEXICAN]

"It cannot be, therefore it is not."
"It could be, therefore it is."

Consider each of these statements as if it stood alone. Both reflect certitude, but not truth; neither allows for any nuance or subtlety. Ironically, life—past, present and future—as it plays out in our culture is not quite so black and white. Any study of the past indicates that great scientific discoveries and artistic creations were the result of work outside the rigid form of personal beliefs. Great advances in civilization, it seems, have come from those people who worked outside the "box" of certitude.

 

[SANTA FE NEW MEXICAN]

Historians and other investigators of historic mysteries tend to align themselves with one of two schools—"believers" or "skeptics." Conclusions tend to follow the framework of belief on any respective issue, no matter how intense the determination to remain neutral.

For example, believers who know that there was a second shooter at the Kennedy assassination will point to their evidence to "prove" their beliefs. Skeptics will counter by positing that the believers' evidence is fraudulent and that their own evidence points in a different direction. It is something of a maxim to say that both believers and skeptics often find the evidence they need to prove their prior beliefs. One side cannot convince the other, and for that reason, many historical questions remain controversial.

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

You are right. It is why many murderers go free.

An investigator "decides" who is guilty, and looks at only the evidence that supports it. The case of Jon Benet Ramsey is a good example.

Like one historian/scientist pointed out a while back on a tv program I was watching: "The only good evidence is the evidence you can hold in your hand" . That says a lot.

Beth

 

[Springfield]

"It cannot be, therefore it is not."
"It could be, therefore it is." "What people think," said Abraham Lincoln, "is more important than what actually is so." Very true.

The first arguement is the most dangerous. The second is the hallmark of 'TH-er's'. The Lincoln quote represents the tragedy of mind control.

 

[gollum]

Ladies and gentlemen: when the stones were 'made' determines just how sophisticated an audience they would be protecting their secret form. 1800's or prior, would be mostly an uneducated or severely limited ability of solving it..

Maybe we are being too clever in our attempts to solve them ?? Are we reaching the cloud interpretation status in looking for a complex answer, instead of a more simpler one.

As it is, how would you send instructions on solving it to a third party?

Don Jose de La Mancha el *Tropical Tramp*

p.s. after studying the "8 / B" I am convinced that the "8 came first, then the B was cut after."

Hey Jose,

Here is your "B" "8" under low power magnification. This was the lowest magnification available with the digital microscope I had.

Best-Mike

 

[Oroblanco]

Santa Fe NM wrote

Ok Oro Heres one for you - How long did Cain hate his brother?

I would think that only Cain and the good lord would know the answer to that one.

You didn't catch that one thing that could tie de Vaca, Coronado, and the Peralta Stones together. "Busca el coazon"
Oroblanco

 

[SANTA FE NEW MEXICAN]

In 1538, barely 20 years after the conquest of the Aztec, Cabeza de Vaca heard the story of the Seven Cities of Cibola (= The Land of Buffalo) from some native people along the way. The cities - rich in gold, silver and precious stones - had to be found somewhere in the north. But the ("cities" could also be "caves".)

 

[SANTA FE NEW MEXICAN]

HERES ONE THING. Seven Caves of Cibola....... The desert region of southwestern United States known as the Four Corners has remarkable rock dwellings. People lived in open, natural caves that were artificial and were carved into the cliffs. Mesa Verde in Colorado is known for its terraced structures built into the cave. Canyon de Chelly, in Arizona, has artificial caves built into natural caves.

 

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[Oroblanco]

Santa Fe NM wrote

HERES ONE THING. Seven Caves of Cibola

Have you identified ruins of Cibola in the Superstitions? I am no expert in Google earth, but I just can't see either the cities or the mine in the photo.

Busca el coazon, "search for the heart"; valley of hearts - have you identified a valley or canyon in the Superstitions as the Valle de los Corazones? Thank you in advance;
Oroblanco