The Land of Ophir and the Ancients Ones....

[Oroblanco]

HOLA amigo Rangler (and everyone),
Without addressing every point here, as the case for Sinclair is not necessarily synonymous with Templar, let us examine one point – the timeline.

Henry Sinclair is believed to have made his voyage in 1393. (Of course the skeptics do not accept that Sinclair made the voyage at all, but that is not the point here – just the date.) Henry Sinclair was born in 1345 and died in 1400.

The Knights Templar were formed in about 1129; Pope Clement V disbanded the Order in 1312.

See the problem there amigo? The Templars were disbanded over 30 years before Sinclair was even born. How can this be reconciled with any Templar involvement in a Sinclair voyage? Thank you in advance,
Oroblanco

 

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[rangler]

Oro
with this statement...

The Knights Templar were formed in about 1129; Pope Clement V disbanded the Order in 1312.

I hope you do not think that this is the coup you needed to win this debate..

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consider...the fact just because the Pope disbanded or 'unsanctioned' them that they all just disappeared
off the face of the earth? That the lineage and history came to an abrupt halt - just because the guy
with the tall hat waved his hand while standing on the balcony?

The King of France was still making BBQ out of these guys, their assets stolen, their names besmirched
The Templar reconnoitered in Scotland, one generation later Sinclair was born. The fire of passion for
their lifes work and for 20 generations work was not simply laid down and abandoned with a piece of paper with a mans name scrawled on it! No No No - no no no NO!

With that kind of Logic we dont bust age old myths and find the truth, that just keeps the truth from being revealed! The fact that Sinclair's son and even Sinclair's grandson went on to build towers and castles - shows the momentum and the faith of the Templars beyond the Pope and death itself..their bloodline carries on and answer to no one except God himself.


They were merging with the Mason and the Scottish Rite Temples , insuring that the legacy of the Knights Templars would never die.They wanted a new start and a New Land, a New Scotland ( Nova Scotia) that name alone should be enough to tip the scales for most rational persons. Add that to the body of evidence that I have posted above and a Logical conclusion is fairly easy for all but the most stubborn of men.


I see your running out of ammo Roy, if you look in your debating kit, you'll find a white cloth..if you take it out and wave it - we all will understand and the pressure will be off. Then we will welcome you back in to the fold.. and go have a beer or two....hehehe
I gently rest my case and thank you in advance for your polite concession of this point!
rangler

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[Old Dog]

Personally ...
I prefer to stay with the idea of a conquered pagan people,
who having sworn fealty to the conquering king... (I suspect King Soloman)
proved loyalty by bringing him riches as instructed.

This group of MANY, had a place (here) where out of the king's sight could practice the religion refused them in sight of the king.
It had to have been a pagan type religion as the sculptures are animistic.
They have nothing in common with anything we know as our God.

Here is another rat man,
this has a frontal view.
One that the Spanish took contention with.
The Spanish altered part of this one, carving a turtle head on the offending part.

 

[rangler]

King Solomon had a suitor of sorts in the Queen of Sheba, she traveled north and westward from the land of Sheba with a caravan of goods to pay homage to the the King..

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(c)copyright 2005-all rights reserved-rangler
wiki says...

According to the Hebrew Bible, the unnamed queen of the land of Sheba heard of the great wisdom of King Solomon of Israel and journeyed there with gifts of spices, gold, precious stones, and beautiful wood and to test him with questions, as recorded in First Kings 10:1-13 (largely copied in 2 Chronicles 9:1–12).
It is related further that the queen was awed by Solomon's great wisdom and wealth, and pronounced a blessing on Solomon's deity. Solomon reciprocated with gifts and "everything she desired," whereupon the queen returned to her country. The queen apparently was quite rich, however, as she brought 4.5 tons of gold with her to give to Solomon (1 Kings 10:10).



In the biblical passages which refer explicitly to the Queen of Sheba there is no hint of love or sexual attraction between Solomon and the Queen of Sheba. The two are depicted merely as fellow monarchs engaged in the affairs of state.
The biblical text, Song of Solomon (Song of Songs), contains some references, which at various times, have been interpreted as referring to love between Solomon and the Queen of Sheba. The young woman of the Song of Songs, however, continues to deny the romantic advances of her suitor, whom many commentators identify as King Solomon. In any case, there is little to identify this speaker in the text with the rich and powerful foreign queen depicted in the Book of Kings. The woman of the text of the song clearly does regard "The Daughters of Jerusalem" as her peer group.
Later Ethiopian tradition firmly asserts that King Solomon did seduce and impregnate his guest, and it provides a detailed story of how he went about it (see later section) - a matter of considerable importance to Ethiopians - as their emperors traced their lineage to that union in a line, which but for one break of ca. 133 years eventually spanned circa 2900 years, through the kings of Kingdom of Axum, its Roman era (3rd century) name change to Ethiopia (documented in early Christian records, the 'Ethiopia' name showing up in the historical record from ca. AD 300 when Axum conquered the ancient kingdom of Kush, known through both Egyptian and Roman documents), and the eventual demise of Emperor Haile Selassie (deposed 1974) whose dynasty still survives, albeit out of power. Even the usurping dynasty was related, as the first jog through the distaff line (later there were others,[3] presumably after the inheritance laws were updated) as the founding king of the [nation name or some other noun is missing here] was son-in-law of the last Axumite king,[4] and the crown was returned to a "rightful" male line, called the Solomonic dynasty in ca. 1270 CE.)

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if you look at the two pic of the representation of the Queen of Sheba you will notice that her crown is depicted
a small attachment to the top of the crown is distinctive in the face of the raises portion at the top, showing a square or round shape that is placed at the very top of the crown..in the first pic you will notice that the Queen is depicted as being a black beauty, here in this pic , that I took a few years ago, the rock of black volcanic rock, the fact that the
top part of the crown is the same as what is shown in the pics...AND obvious female image, shows the beauty even in rough volcanic rocks, displays the mastery over the rock..and show the Queen of Sheba overlooking her new domain.
food for thought
rangler

 

[Shortstack]

rangler, that regal profile is amazing. While not probing for the specific location, I would like to know what country this carving is located. Are there more signs in the area to support "her"?

 

[rangler]

Bill,
This face is in Western USA! and not far from this face is a Janus Monument marking the beginning of a Treasure trail .. that leads to a mountain with a gold bearing stream and a large Alpha Monument!

It makes me think more than ever the the Knights Templar made this monument, knowing that the Queen of Sheba was long passed on, when they built this , but they had the same pics that i just posted to look at..the very distinctive part of here crown is the tell tale part, I believe the fact that their ability to 'capture' her grace and beauty in rough black volcanic stone , is an amazing thing..true masters of the masonic stonecutting arts.

Oh and just so you know, I captured her by accident, I was photographing the far hillside..and when I download the pic wham! - there she was, lesson there to all, take lots of pics of your site!
rangler

 

[Kentucky Kache]

Looks like her headband too.

 

[tesoro dog]

Shortstack!!

I'd like to Thank You for your post that mentions the book by Michael Talbot,, The Holographic Universe,, I understand very little of what I have read of it online,, But it shines some light on what I call,, The Fabric of God. Thanks again!! TD

 

[Shortstack]

Bill,
This face is in Western USA! and not far from this face is a Janus Monument marking the beginning of a Treasure trail .. that leads to a mountain with a gold bearing stream and a large Alpha Monument!

It makes me think more than ever the the Knights Templar made this monument, knowing that the Queen of Sheba was long passed on, when they built this , but they had the same pics that i just posted to look at..the very distinctive part of here crown is the tell tale part, I believe the fact that their ability to 'capture' her grace and beauty in rough black volcanic stone , is an amazing thing..true masters of the masonic stonecutting arts.

Oh and just so you know, I captured her by accident, I was photographing the far hillside..and when I download the pic wham! - there she was, lesson there to all, take lots of pics of your site!
rangler

Oh, man. That profile is of a beautiful woman, that's for sure. And, your experience with the "accidental" photo is exactly what Karl Von Mueller used to talk about. He advised in his books, THer #6 and #7 to photograph every area you were researching because the camera ALWAYS sees a lot more that your "neckid" eyes. Sort of the old "Purloined Letter" idea. I'll bet your eyes budged out about a foot when you reviewed THAT snapshot.
Would that be a case of Serendipity?

 

[Shortstack]

Shortstack!!

I'd like to Thank You for your post that mentions the book by Michael Talbot,, The Holographic Universe,, I understand very little of what I have read of it online,, But it shines some light on what I call,, The Fabric of God. Thanks again!! TD

You are welcomed, TD. I learned of this book while reading other materials concerning theories of parallel universes and interdimentional travel.
I agree with rangler, that one should be open to expanding all areas of thought and possibilities. We are a long way from knowing everything about our past and, as such, there just may be volumes of "forgotten" science information and abilities. Our ancestors were not ignor-ant people. WE just might be the ignor-ant ones.

 

[VICTORIO]

Rangler Wrote " Oh and just so you know, I captured her by accident, I was photographing the far hillside..and when I download the pic wham! - there she was, lesson there to all, take lots of pics of your site!
rangler "

Yes Rangler, We also as Humans need to learn to listen to our 6 th sense . it is there. I am learning to apply it to the Field. Some time I will get the feeling to look at some rocks or look or go in a certain direction even though I don't see anything. I take pictures and when I get home to study them.....Like you say Wham there it is. Experienced Cops that Have worked the streets will tell you never to ignore your 6 since. Thanks for the Pics.

 

[Shortstack]

Rangler Wrote " Oh and just so you know, I captured her by accident, I was photographing the far hillside..and when I download the pic wham! - there she was, lesson there to all, take lots of pics of your site!
rangler "

Yes Rangler, We also as Humans need to learn to listen to our 6 th sense . it is there. I am learning to apply it to the Field. Some time I will get the feeling to look at some rocks or look or go in a certain direction even though I don't see anything. I take pictures and when I get home to study them.....Like you say Wham there it is. Experienced Cops that Have worked the streets will tell you never to ignore your 6 since. Thanks for the Pics.

I couldn't agree with you more, VICTORIO. In the last 40 years or so, I've learned the hard way to never ignore that little voice. The times that I chose to go against "it" were times I made mistakes.
That "voice" has been tagged with various names down through the centuries---intuition, guardian angel, universal conscience, etc. By whatever name one chooses to use; it exists and should not be put off.
Something akin to this happened to me last night and I'm thinking of posting about it on the Paranormal Thread.

 

[VICTORIO]

Shortstack Wrote " The times that I chose to go against "it" were times I made mistakes. "

I won't say Much But let this be a Lesson to all that read this. I know it was a costly one for me. About five years ago I purchased a small peace of land in Mexico in a small Town I T- Hunt. This small property had a very old broken down adobe House on it. Very old. About 5 months ago I was approached by a man asking If I would please sell it to him cause he wanted to build his wife a small house. I always told myself I need to check out this property with my TM808. But never got around to it. Always something came up. Everytime I would drive by my property I would say I need to Metal detect those ruins. Something always told me Put the Detector to it. Always had that Feeling. But always went off looking somewhere else. Detecting somewhere else. I sold the man the property about 4 months ago. Two months ago he and three other men started tearing down the ruins. 2 hours after they started working one of them hits an old wooden box that was hidden along the floor in one of the corners of the old House. It was a medium seize wood box with Gold centenarios and Two 30 pound Gold Bars. " True Story " AS True as they get ..... Already Confirmed By myself. I wish it wasn't true but it is. I have trouble Talking about it Cause I should know better. Don't ignore that 6th sence. It's there !!!

 

[rangler]

Yea Vic
I understand how painful that is..My partner and I were in North Eastern Mexico in '96
we were following a lead, came to the conclusion that the spot was just off the main square
in this little village. We hired a backhoe and operator, these two brothers had some old beat
up pick up trucks but a nice backhoe, so we had them dig..and soon the whole village turned
out to see what the Nortes were digging up..we got down to 6 feet or so and nothing. It was
hot as hades, July in Mexico says it all..we stopped digging and were going to continue later
but we felt pretty discouraged.
Later we go off on another trail and we felt like we should go back but it was 4 hours one way
to the village from where we were. We got busy, our time soon was up, we left, the next year
we came back , and nosed around, the two brothers were driving two BRAND new pick up trucks
and were off somewhere on vacation..they had kept digging without telling us..and the hit the
big one and never looked back. Well my partner and I wrote it off to stu-pid tax.,..and now we
dont ignore that inner voice.
WE also learned later that the 6' dept (just over the height of the King (5'9") but in cases of large
treasures the rule was TWICE the height of the King..so we got two lessons for the price of one!!
onward and upward..
rangler

"we like to learn, but some things must be taught!"

 

[VICTORIO]

" so we got two lessons for the price of one!!
onward and upward.."

Thank You Rangler... IT won't happen to me again. As you say Onward and Upward !!!

 

[rangler]

Now that the idea of Ophir being in America,had been examined and debated
we now look elsewhere and this following story makes a lot of sense...

this little bit of the title page from a Wikipedia search result
Bo-ol (Bohol) was a Land of Ophir

Having treasure hunted in the Philippines, I recognized the word Bohol
one of the Seas surrounding the RP is named the Bohol Sea...
I did a quick google and turned up this article...

http://www.boholchronicle.com/2008/dec/21/opinion2.htm

I will dig deeper into this theory in the near future
rangler

"Quinquireme of Nineveh from distant Ophir,
Rowing home to haven in sunny Palestine,
With a cargo of ivory,
And apes and peacocks,
Sandalwood, cedarwood, and sweet white wine.".....John Masefield, "Cargoes"

 

[Old Dog]

Awesome read Buddy,
Thanks for posting.

Thom

 

[rangler]

Agreed, Ditto Old Dog


rangler

 

[desertmoons]

Welli am glad this thread is open for discussion.

The fact that they found the copper ore deposits in Michigan, shows the level of penetration that they were able to achieve, this supposes that other expeditions in to the interior

This is not a fact. No evidence has been found that any roman or phoenician or old word artifact that old contains michigan copper in it.

Spectral, and other sorts of analyseses are more and more common and being used. I've never found one to support the allegation above. And i have been keeping my eye out for such proof for quite a few years now. News like that would be big..

I'd also point out peacocks are not native to the americas.

Finally..i wish i could find the article i read long ago about Fells ogham conclusions. It was a scholarly comparision of Fells ogham from his determined time period with similar time period ogham in the british isles It was by a Scottish world renknowned expert i think.

The results were..Fell may have had many talents...but dating and interpreting ogham was not his strength. I seem to recall a rather detail and long list of where he got it wrong.

So.....yes i think there are some ancients things around. Dates keep being pushed back. Out of place artifacts in south america (especially roman). But..... diligent research is necessary to winnow the wheat from the chaff.

 

[rangler]

Okey,
You bring up a good point! I think to see it in terms of discovery, one
has to separate out the marks of ownership, (the kensington rune stone
the Sir Gunn Knights Templar at the Sinclair Tower). and the monuments
to hide mines and caches.

I believe that these are the marks made on the first entry into the North
American continent, and by their nature, they seem to state names, proof
of passage and rights of discovery or Claiming of Territory.

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from Barry Storms book, The Thunder Gods Gold*..1945

This shows Jesuits/Spanish era Treasure signs incorporated
into earlier Petroglyphs of the local Amerindians. In a few cases
the Jesuits USED the pertroglyphs AS treasure signs incorporating
them in the the general Code..as well as Aztec symbols too!

The subsequent voyages, when they prospected and mined certain areas
then , the need for more detailed and coded references was apparent.
If for no reason other than to make trail markers to find the deposits
and the outward bound trails back to the sea.

Remember there are a lot more trail markers than treasure signs, but again
let no one tell you - the silly notion - that you will NEVER find a treasure sign
or monument. An absurdity beyond credibility postulated by a refined
agendized critic with greed as the motivator. Let that be your spring board
to understanding the true reality of the situation.

The other deeper point you make is that their must have been some Phoenician code
that preceded the Templar Code..That has not even been thought about
let alone worked on by ANYONE that I know of..good thinking!

I know that part of the Jesuit Code has elements of Archaic Languages
Phoenician and Hebrew being just two of them.

Back in the day of the highly educated Jesuits, knowledge of various
languages acted as a block or security feature to the
common person trying to cracking this code, as hardly NO ONE could afford an
higher education, so the very fact that they picked the English language
to based most of their codes on - is IN FACT an ultimate security feature.

Moreover, they frequently used Logic to fool people, knowing that most would
think - hey the Jesuits were from various European Countries, they were
sanctioned by an Italian Pope and Contracted by a Spanish King
and the most of known world then spoke Spanish..but don't let Logic fool you as
it has some.... They had no idea that that same language would sweep
the world and be as common as it is today! Let no one convince you otherwise,
least their agenda be showing.

linquist are sometimes speculative in their interpretations but lack little or no knowlege of s/s

Correct again. Linguist, Archeologist,Anthropologist, History buffs, and Critics all have NO knowledge of Treasure Signs asthey cannot be seen by the average person, you have to be trained to see them.
Case inpoint...
is the pic I posted with the Owl and the Rabbit. So far one one has seen them. Yet they are only
hidden in plain site, and I cropped that pic down about 500% of what would have hidden them for
300 years, ...oops haha they WERE hidden for 300 years!!

Of course we all know by now that the Owl means a Cache or as Dign referred to them " a treasure
collection room" i.e. Vault! The Rabbit I will discuss on back channels, so if you want to know..then
pm me and I will give you the solution, hint no saysayers or critics need respond.

I think that in the interest of keeping this thread from being constantly hijacked and ridiculed, I will post
only the common solutions to signs and symbols - the real key stuff will not be revealed to the general
critics, after all why should I educate the unworthy? Only the Ken-worthly will be entertained! lol

Auriferiously
rangler
http://www.superstitionmountainmuseum.org/LostDutchmanExhibit.htm

" pessimism is its own - self fulfilling - prophesy "