Roy Oro
No need for the whoa.....I
am taking it easy! I am just passionate about treasure hunting
....... amigo, not trying to "poke holes" in your theory, and if you knew what my past posts here on T-net have been, you might be surprised. .
First for any Templars to sail to America, they would have to have knowledge of it - yet the only people with any (proven) knowledge of America at the time were the **Norse, they called it Vinland and may have had quite limited knowledge of the true extent of the continent. However the Norse did ask for and get a bishop assigned by the Pope to Vinland, and the Templars in theory served the Pope, so it is POSSIBLE they learned of America that way.
** Guess what Roy..Sinclair was married to a lustly Norse woman....see C&P (copy and paste below)
Sinclair was married into a Norse family, and the Norse (Vikings) had visited Canada long before Columbus and John Cabot and other explorers founded the new land. His family connections may have given Sinclair the information he needed to sail to Nova Scotia and hide the treasure. We also know that along the mouth of the Lahave River not far from Oak Island are what seem to be the ruins of an old castle like building...how did that get there? and why don't more people know about it? It's not something you read about in the history we are taught in school, even in Nova Scotia.
www.mysterioussocieties.com/2008/06/oak-island-knights-templar-theory.html
Below is an artist rendition of the Newport Tower, on the East Coast of the USA, very likey built by the Templars in America.
Seems EVERYONE knew about the Americas in the Old World, each group thought they knew a secret, The Phoenicians
came to exploit the Gold of Ophir, the Carthaginians and possibly the Egyptians,and the Chinese, the Norse obviously and I think because the Rune Stones were Proclaiming the Land, they had nothing to hide, so we find their artifacts, on the other hand the Templars wanted to hide everything. So we don't up to now have anything concrete that can be tied to them beyond 'possible'. Except that is for hundreds of thousands of Monuments and gold and silver mines all over North America and beyond.
......."the Templars enjoyed a monopoly on the best and most advanced technology of their age, stonemasonry, surveying, road building, map making and navigation.
In Portugal the order was cleared by inquiry and modified its name to become the Knights of Christ, devoting themselves to maritime activities. Vasco de Gama was a Knight of Christ.
Prince Henry the Navigator who founded the Navigational school at Sagre was a Grand Master. Christopher Columbus was a member of the Order of the Crescent and sailed on Templar ships under the red cross patee and was married to the daughter of a Knight of Christ."
This puts a direct link to the New World for the Templars, Ole Chris may have beseached Queen Izzy for the funds to undertake his Voyage of Discovery, but it was the Templars who supplied the funds and the ships themselves!
consider this..abstract
Remember after Philip de Bel disbanded the Templars that some of the Templars fled to Scotland and some of the Templars became Navigators.
In 1392, a Templar Navigator named Prince Henry Saint Clair (Sinclair), reportedly sailed west from Scotland, headed for the New World or the New Jerusalem. He took with him two Italian mapmakers, the Zeno brothers who charted his trip. Evidence shows that the voyage took Saint Clair to Nova Scotia.
Did Sinclair take the Templar Treasure to the New World? Was it the Holy Grail? Did Saint Claire go to the New World to try to establish a new Templar stronghold? Incidentally, the Sinclair’s also claim lineage to the Holy Bloodline of the House of David.
Micmac legends tell of a great warrior-king, Kluscap who came from a distant land. Could Saint Clair have been their Kluscap?
Next problem is whether Henry Sinclair was involved with the Templars - it is POSSIBLE but not proven.
I dont think that is possible that he was NOT involved with the Templars.
Did Sinclair sail to America? Again this is POSSIBLE but not proven.
I think it was his dream of Nova Scotia,his Arcadia, his Camelot as it were, and that he sailed with Zeno and returned to Scotland but died before he could realize his dream and his body was carried back to the New World by the Templars as a fulfillment of the commitment on both of their parts. That's not proof , that's just plain detective thinking based on what we do know. Sure it is conjecture, but until proof surfaces it is all we have. I am willing to go out on that limb, as I am not so uptight in that I need to have all the ducks lined up before I shoot a duck. The idea is , without proof, the best theory is the best we can do and we must do out best!
To me this theory fits. As I stated at the onset, I am not here to PROVE the Templars were the Ancients ones,,just to OPEN the discussion, and
for that I thank you , Roy for engaging in that discussion, and yes I am impressed with what your wrote in your posts on this very subject, which I was unaware until you posted here on this thread! I thank you in advance for your continued support of this thread and your posts to come.
Did Sinclair bury some kind of treasure at Oak Island? POSSIBLE -not proven.
(I will post some of the typical Templar/Jesuit codes markings found on Oak lsland later.)
however......
NOTHING can be proven beyond absolute, if you are cynical or skeptical - and debates if this nature are soon denigrated as to what can be 'proven' - some want a nice clean 'white paper' with peer review accolades, footnotes, annotations, to make it real, to me that is just fluff from academia, perfect for those who don't live in the real world. For me that same white paper would be more beneficial as a kindling to start a fire, when I am out pounding the ground in some outback spot looking for chisel marks on stone. Perspective is perception.
I think Sinclair did not bury anything, I think the Tempars buried HIM with the treasures they laid down. Can I prove it, no , hello no, but that doesn't change the fact that, that is what I have surmised. I am not an all googly-eyed student , trying to impress some professor who lives in a cloistered ivory towers, nor am I applying for some grant, or composing some book on history,
this is a treasure hunting site, not a history hunting site. Therefore my provenance doesn't step form solid rock to solid stone, some leaps of faith are required in any treasure hunt.
I won't irritate you with more along this line, but as tantalizing as the Templar connection is, - so far, we simply can't prove it. That is why I asked if you knew of any un-deniable evidence of Templar visitors to America.
Not sure where you got that tenor or tone from my remarks, perhaps it is just past experience debating certain types
that you have to be defensive with or they over run your position. That is not the case with me - I am single minded only on the goal, tenacious on the cause - to seek what knowledge is out there, thankful for the facts that can be uncovered, but when that thin sting of facts runs out, that is not the end of the trail, I do not give up.
Leaps of faith are the rule not the exception when it comes to treasure hunting, in fact the Jesuits, who I believe decoded the Templars code,( who learned the code of Solomon - ala Solomons Seal) often inserted gaps in the treasure trail, that purposely made one take leap of faith
in order to find the trail again. Many were stopped at what was the apparent end of the trail- it protects the treasure.
Here the apparent end of the trail protects the history of the Templars. I see no need to stop there.
Lets consider the assertion that they didnt have the man power or skills. Its funny really, many don't realize who built the awesome Churches and Cathedrals of Europe!
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/kt1.htm
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Additionally, during this period, the Templars were active throughout Europe funding and managed the construction of cathedrals, abbeys and churches. The Templar engineers and architects were expert at construction of large stone edifices. They had designed and built castles and fortresses through the mid-east, combining European techniques with those learned from Byzantium and Egypt. With this knowledge they now returned to Europe and with their ability and massive amounts of their funds and began the construction over 300 large cathedrals and 2,000 abbeys and smaller churches. Examples of this are the Gothic cathedrals throughout Europe that were started in the mid 12th century -- examples would be the cathedrals of Notre Dame in Paris (1163), Chartres (1194), Reims (1211) and Amiens (1221) and the famous Temple Church in London."
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If they could accomplish these tasks,with the help of the Operative (Secular) Mason, then building massive monuments from raw stone, cutting and shaping them into shapes and symbols would be an easy fit for the Templar's and well within their job description. Beside they needed the massive amounts of Gold and Silver they mined in the New World to help finance these huge undertakings.
It also fits that the Jesuits, where the second wave, once the demise of the Templar's was evident, the Jesuits secret mission from the Pope, was to follow the trail of the Templars, find and decode their monuments, and do what was necessary to get the flow of Gold and Silver coming into the coffers of the Vatican and the King of Spain.
If the following abstract is correct the Templars were well acquainted with digging, tunneling and working underground.
"By either circumstance or design (this is hotly debated as you will see), the stables Hugues de Payne chose to live in were exactly adjoining the remains of the old Jewish Temple of Jerusalem, which had been destroyed by the Romans in about 300 AD. Because of their living quarters and their vow of poverty, these warrior monks became known as the "Poor Knights of Christ at the Temple of Jerusalem" and, more popularly, as the "The Knights Templar".
In addition to their announced tasks, under the direction of de Payens, the Knights Templar also spent much of their time and effort secretly excavating beneath the old walls to find the labyrinth of tunnels that were rumored to exist beneath the temple. I say secretly because only these nine Knights were allowed near these excavations. Here they labored for three years. In 1121, they sent their second-in-command, a Knight by the name of Geoffrey de St. Omer, back to France with the results of their excavations.
What were these results? No one really knows... and it is a subject that has many theories, each more bizarre than the other. Some believe they found great wealth -- to support this view, the recent discovery and translation of the "dead sea" scrolls does list 619 vessels of silver and gold that were buried in the tunnels beneath the Temple. Others say they found the "Holy Grail" -- the supposed cup Christ used in the last supper. Yet, still others say they found ancient scrolls giving them secrets of alchemy and architecture. Lastly, the most extravagant claim -- that they found religious writings telling an expanded or contradictory history of Christ and the crucifixion.
All we do know is that Geoffrey de St. Omer carried some metal artifacts back to France along with some Aramaic scrolls. One of the scrolls exists today in the library of Ghent University -- it describes the Heavenly Jerusalem referenced in much of the old testament and in St. John's revelations. These treasures that the Templars returned to France add fuel to the fire for the wild speculations and theories that have surrounded the Knights Templar since that time."
Let me add my own extravagant claim, to the list.....they found Maps, maps from King Solomons' day, maps of Ophir and the secret of Longitude, a waybill of all waybills...they found the What, the Where and the How to get There. You think these Noble Knights did not feel that is was not only their Right to fullfill this manifest destiny, but their Duty!?
If you are going to suppose what these Knights did, then your supposition must be as Bold as they were!
I do, footnote, or no footnote!
auriferiouly
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And, when that evil next appears, as when it did with the Templars of old, it will find a Knight Templar on guard at the gate"........ Templar saying
Makes the old corncobs look downright SOFT! 
I suppose that type would not leave any dingleberries though, so might be an advantage for some folks! 
than just riches.
