The Knights Templar connection to Oak Island Challenge

[lokiblossom]

I never tried to find the name of the "Last Cathar", due to his having nothing to do with proving that Templars were connected to Oak Island.
Just another example of random unrelated facts that prove absolutely nothing concerning the topic.

You sure were after me to provide it, why would that be if you considered it so unimportant? How about the list of Cathar families related to the Templars that you requested, is that also unimportant to you?

Cheers, Loki

 

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[ECS]

You sure were after me to provide it, why would that be if you considered it so unimportant?

Because, you thought it was important, and by providing the name, proving the point that it was irrelevant and not germane to the topic of Templars in Nova Scotia.
Just additional unimportant information that adds absolutely nothing in the way of actual proof to the subject being discussed.

 

[lokiblossom]

Because, you thought it was important, and by providing the name, proving the point that it was irrelevant and not germane to the topic of Templars in Nova Scotia.
Just additional unimportant information that adds absolutely nothing in the way of actual proof to the subject being discussed.

So my providing the name, that you could not find, proves that it was irrelevant? I have to admit I am learning a lot in deductive reasoning.

Cheers, Loki

 

[ECS]

So my providing the name, that you could not find...

As stated in POST# 880, "I never tried to find the name".
Why?
Because it was irrelevant to proving a Templar connection to Oak Island.
Now, if you can present his relevance to an Oak Island Templar connection, bring it forth.

 

[lokiblossom]

Who was this last Cathar burned at the stake in 1321 and where?

But, yet you wanted me to post the name.

There was no relevance to Oak Island, it was part of an answer to your erroneous statement that the Albigensian crusade began at Montsegur, which had a lot to do with Nova Scotia and Oak Island!

Cheers, Loki

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

You know by now how the game here is played . . . Start with a fact or true statement and then spin it all out of sensibility.

The closest Mars gets to Earth is about 33.9 million miles.

Mars is the Roman god of war.

So there were Romans on Mars.

And they buried the Arc of the Covenant there.

Now just make up something about Oak Island using the same logic and you're all set.

 

[franklin]

You know by now how the game here is played . . . Start with a fact or true statement and then spin it all out of sensibility.

The closest Mars gets to Earth is about 33.9 million miles.

Mars is the Roman god of war.

So there were Romans on Mars.

And they buried the Arc of the Covenant there.

Now just make up something about Oak Island using the same logic and you're all set.

Here is something to think about your last post. Mars has a connection with Oak Island and everybody that now lives on the Earth. Our ancestors stayed on Mars for years before moving to the Earth. Heaven only knows what is under Oak Island. It could be an old portal through Time back to our origin.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Beyond Baigent, Leigh, and Lincoln, but real documented lists by real historians and NOT by the Three Stooges of pop pulp pseudo history who are not considered credible by any legitimate historian or lettered academic.

Name-calling again, eh...?

 

[ECS]

Name-calling again, eh...?

Sitting in judgement again, eh...?

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Here is something to think about your last post. Mars has a connection with Oak Island and everybody that now lives on the Earth. Our ancestors stayed on Mars for years before moving to the Earth. Heaven only knows what is under Oak Island. It could be an old portal through Time back to our origin.

Now you're getting it. Wilder the better. But since Earth us up-solar-wind of Mars then it is just as likely that life evolved on Earth first and then went to Mars before some might have came back via meteor "spash" off the Martian surface. Perhaps Tardigrades could have survived the exchange - but not Templars. ;-)

And that's why our evolutionary progress doesn't really show gaps from Tiktaalik 375 million years ago through to modern mammals (which all have about the same number of bones in the forearms). You don't see any four eyed vertical jawed six-legged vertebrates with unknown proteins in their system; because that is the pattern that worked on Earth.

 

[ECS]

But, yet you wanted me to post the name.

There was no relevance to Oak Island, it was part of an answer to your erroneous statement that the Albigensian crusade began at Montsegur, which had a lot to do with Nova Scotia and Oak Island!

Once again, Loki, you're misquoting statements and adapting them to support your point of view.
The Church sanctioned two Crusades, one against the Saracens in the Holy Land, the other against "heretics" in Europe.
If the Albigensian Crusades and the later siege and fall "had a lot to do with Nova Scotia and Oak Island", please bring forth the documented proof, unless it is quoting Otto Rahn's conclusion which have been discarded by the professional historian community.
PS: You have stated that the Grail is the one described by Dan Brown in his DA VINCI CODE novel, which is NOT the same as Rahn's "Cathar Knight" Parzival sacred stone Grail that he believed was hidden at Montsegur.
You do realize the dichotomy of these versions, and of others that you have randomly cherry picked in support of your ever expanding Templar /Oak Island/Nova Scotia/Grail/Treasure theories?
...and that many of these versions actually conflict with other.

 

[lokiblossom]

Once again, Loki, you're misquoting statements and adapting them to support your point of view.
The Church sanctioned two Crusades, one against the Saracens in the Holy Land, the other against "heretics" in Europe.
If the Albigensian Crusades and the later siege and fall "had a lot to do with Nova Scotia and Oak Island", please bring forth the documented proof, unless it is quoting Otto Rahn's conclusion which have been discarded by the professional historian community.
PS: You have stated that the Grail is the one described by Dan Brown in his DA VINCI CODE novel, which is NOT the same as Rahn's "Cathar Knight" Parzival sacred stone Grail that he believed was hidden at Montsegur.
You do realize the dichotomy of these versions, and of others that you have randomly cherry picked in support of your ever expanding Templar /Oak Island/Nova Scotia/Grail/Treasure theories?
...and that many of these versions actually conflict with other.

We are not discussing two crusades, what I am referencing is your statement that the Albigensian began at Montsegur which would be 35 years after it did start.
The statement was erroneous which you admitted and then edited, no problem there except that I am not misquoting anything.

You ask the question about Grail identity on the other thread which I also answered over an hour ago which you don't seem to want to acknowledge. But, one more time, Rahn's view of the Grail is indeed different than Browns, and how is my saying that considered 'cherry picking?

Cheers, Loki

 

[ECS]

Have you actually read any of Rahn's beliefs concerning the Cathars and the Church?
Have read his "LUCIFER'S COURT" report to Himmler?
In essence, Rahn attempted to legitimize the Nazi rejection of orthodox Christianity by claiming that the early Church demonized the true god, Lucifer, who was not the devil or Satan, and Satan was Jehovah, the false God of the Jews.
Rahn stated that the Cathars were followers of Lucifer, as expounded in a January 1938 lecture at Dietrich Eckharts house:
" 205 followers of Lucifer were burnt on a huge pyre by Dominicans in the South of France after a large-scale priestly Crusade on the name of Christian clemency. With fire and sword the Lucifer doctrine of the Light-Bearers was persecuted with its followers.
The Cathars are dead, but their spirit lives on".

Rahn's view of the Cathars is indeed different that what you have presented.

 

[ECS]

Discarding Rahn and HBHG concerning the Cathars possessing the Grail due to the unreliable research, does any credible documents or source exist that clearly states that the Cathars possessed the Grail?

"HOLY BLOOD,HOLY GRAIL, is a classic example of the conspiracy theory of history. It is essentially a text which proceeds by innuendo, not refutable scholarly debate...essentially, the whole argument is an ingenuous constructed series of suppositions"
- Richard Barber, Esteemed British Historian

 

[Clad2Silver]

I wonder if Jimmy Hoffa is buried somewhere on Oak Island.....

 

[49er12]

You no what folks, the fact if the matter is absolutely no living persons no what was created or inhabitants where, give some rediculous figure thousands of years come on Christ sakes. Fact is local history isn’t even taught in schools and that’s only 200 or 300 years old, please experts, scholars, nobody knows, where are the facts, so nobody can prove dam thing, we are all never going no what was, opinions r a dime a dozen. I find this funny because I’m 50 and I’ve researched my own area, maps, and footwork in woods, and most have no clue what was in there dam backyard, you no why education system is predetermined, but I will ruffle there feathers because the truth is what matters, at least what I can prove, sad research folks, prove then teach no guess or fabrication, haveenough garbage reality tv shows

 

[ECS]

You wrote that the Templars being on Oak Island was speculation right?
Speculation means devoid of any evidence, so I wrote that the dating of the coconut fibre to the 13th or 14th century is evidence, do you get it now?
I should add that 18 vessels disappearing never to be seen again along with Grand Master Gerard de Villers also contributes a little evidence to the fray.

There is NO actual evidence connection of the coconut coir found at Oak Island to the Templars- just pure speculation.
As for Gerard de Villers and the 18 flat bottom galleys:
"The leaders of the Order fled, and he himself met Brother de Villers leading fifty horses, and heard it said that he set out to sea with eighteen galleys and that Brother Hugues de Chalons fled with the whole treasure of Brother Hugues de Pairaud"
REGISTRA AVENIONENSIA 48 f450l June 1308 Vatican Archive of Jean de Chalons testimony given under torture

Is there any other documents or contemporary accounts that collaborate Jean de Chalons tortured and forced testimony that can prove that de Villers actually "set out to sea with eighteen galleys"?
Is there also a listing of what consisted of "the whole treasure of Brother de Pairaud"?
Could this testimony be the ravings of a tortured man in pain who would tell his Church interrogators whatever they wanted to hear to end his suffering?

 

[lokiblossom]

Have you actually read any of Rahn's beliefs concerning the Cathars and the Church?
Have read his "LUCIFER'S COURT" report to Himmler?
In essence, Rahn attempted to legitimize the Nazi rejection of orthodox Christianity by claiming that the early Church demonized the true god, Lucifer, who was not the devil or Satan, and Satan was Jehovah, the false God of the Jews.
Rahn stated that the Cathars were followers of Lucifer, as expounded in a January 1938 lecture at Dietrich Eckharts house:
" 205 followers of Lucifer were burnt on a huge pyre by Dominicans in the South of France after a large-scale priestly Crusade on the name of Christian clemency. With fire and sword the Lucifer doctrine of the Light-Bearers was persecuted with its followers.
The Cathars are dead, but their spirit lives on".

Rahn's view of the Cathars is indeed different that what you have presented.

You clearly do not understand the religion of the Cathars, which I will not discuss in this format as it really doesn't matter what they believed. Suffice it to say that many Christians don't accept organized religion.

Cheers, Loki

 

[lokiblossom]

"HOLY BLOOD,HOLY GRAIL, It is essentially a text which proceeds by innuendo, not refutable scholarly debate...essentially, the whole argument is an ingenuous constructed series of suppositions"
- Richard Barber, Esteemed British Historian

Which is exactly what they claim, while the amount of research is undeniable!

Cheers, Loki

 

[lokiblossom]

There is NO actual evidence connection of the coconut coir found at Oak Island to the Templars- just pure speculation.
As for Gerard de Villers and the 18 flat bottom galleys:
"The leaders of the Order fled, and he himself met Brother de Villers leading fifty horses, and heard it said that he set out to sea with eighteen galleys and that Brother Hugues de Chalons fled with the whole treasure of Brother Hugues de Pairaud"
REGISTRA AVENIONENSIA 48 f450l June 1308 Vatican Archine of Jean de Chalons testimony given under torture

Is there any other documents or contemporary accounts that collaborate Jean de Chalons tortured and forced testimony that can prove that de Villers actually "set out to sea with eighteen galleys"?
Is there also a listing of what consisted of "the whole treasure of Brother de Pairaud"?
Could this testimony be the ravings of a tortured man in pain who would tell his Church interrogators whatever they wanted to hear to end his suffering?

Much more than speculation. The term "Galley" was generic, it would be doubtful if de Chalons even knew what the definition of a galley was , there can be no doubt that the Templars also possessed typical sailing vessels, which were at the time becoming more popular, for their Atlantic shipping concerns out of a port they basically owned, La Rochelle.

So you know for sure de Chalons would have lied, you build your case on the possibility a man lied under oath and yet call other evidence unreliable, isn't that a clear case of "cherry picking? This is a built up story designed to refute his testimony, the fact is that there would have been no reason to lie. That he mentioned the leader of this group as Gerard de Villers gives it even more credence, and there is also the fact that the vessels did disappear with no record of where they went. Were they there? of course they were, the Grand Master had just arrived from Cyprus with a large contingent of his forces and a large amount of treasure, and also in La Rochelle were all of the Orders trading ships'

Cheers, Loki