The Knights Templar connection to Oak Island Challenge

[ECS]

... That is what historians poke out there as that is what they believe instead of what they know for fact.

It appears that you also "poke out there" what you believe instead of fact.
Was does a Spanish bull "de Toro" have to do with Oak Island anyway?
Did he leave a sign for the location of the treasure?

 

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[tinpan]

Hi Expert of Medieval History R.I Moore The War of Heresy . He clearly forgets that he was from Northern Ireland The very heart of the Protestant Ulster Establishment Unjustified persecution by the Catholic Church in medieval times . Might want wipe the Irish Catholic blood off his own shoes . Like Scottish poet Robert Burns hiding behind a curtain with agenda of Anti Catholic propaganda .In my opinion much of which is written in thread is one eyed witch hunt . May be a few in thread should have a look at religious persecution in their own area .Clearly the concept of religious tolerance is just shallow words . I do not deny the terrible events done by the Catholic Church . Never mentioned the sword swinging by other religious institutions . Discontented believers can start as many type of church they like but justifying their existence by digging up dirt on others and try to change history to suit their own beliefs is sad . Clearly if you care put up original documents Registry of birth ,marriages deaths and Ship journals .Wreck locations Relics Treasure and any certified scientific and historical evidence from time of the events claimed I may consider changing my opinion . Hear say , creative fiction and carbon dating which is flooded by the presences of sea water carbon . There has to be some boundry of reasonable TP

 

[lokiblossom]

'After the fall of Montsegur, the Languedoc was annexed as part of France, gaining additional tax revenues to fill the King's coffers.
...Now with all this random information about Cathars, Templars, Huges de Payens, Henry Sinclair, and such, none of which proves any connection to Oak Island, the alleged treasure, or alleged visits made whomever.
Its all a continuation of adding more items into an already overfull caldron of salmagundi to change the flavor and aroma, but in the end, its still salmagundi.

Nice backout! But remember the thread is about a Knights Templar connection to Oak Island.

Cheers, Loki

 

[ECS]

So far, no one has presented hard evidence that the Templars were in Oak Island, just a hodgepodge of unrelated facts that have nothing whatsoever to do with a Templar connection to Oak Island.

 

[lokiblossom]

So far, no one has presented hard evidence that the Templars were in Oak Island, just a hodgepodge of unrelated facts that have nothing whatsoever to do with a Templar connection to Oak Island.

All the clues I have presented and still not convinced, tsk, tsk. Oh well, at least I am. The clues, including the coordinates from the Shugborough inscription, and the fact that I believe I stood on the site near Annapolis Basin tells "me" the Templar's were there and the "dating of the coconut fibre" that could only have come from the Middle East, tells me they visited Oak Island enroute!

Cheers, Loki

 

[ECS]

Clues?
Just recycled information from several pulp quasi historian books of speculation and random unrelated events and facts pieced together creating a pseudo make believe history that never occurred beyond imagination, none of which is accepted by real academics as solid documented proof.

 

[franklin]

You have it down pat don't you. Practice after 10,000 post it seems you have added enough words to finally get it the way you want it. You are still wrong.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Caca de Toro

 

[ECS]

You have it down pat don't you. Practice after 10,000 post it seems you have added enough words to finally get it the way you want it. You are still wrong.

Of what am I wrong?
You have stated that many times over to me and others without providing evidence as to the WHY.
That Diana Jean Muir is the source of the list of Templar names that voyaged to Nova Scotia you claim to possess?
OR
That no real proof exists that the Templars set foot on Oak Island, Nova Scotia, only speculation.
If you state that someone is wrong as you have done often, you should be able to present factual evidence explaining why.
It is, after all quite possible, that you are the one that is wrong.

 

[lokiblossom]

That no real proof exists that the Templars set foot on Oak Island, Nova Scotia, only speculation.

Sorry, but the coconut fibre dated to the 13th or 14th century is much more than speculation, imho! Nope, a few Templar's led by Gerard de Villers crossed the big pond in 1308, stopped for awhile on Oak Island then sailed from there around to Annapolis Basin.

Now here's speculation. In 1604 Vincent de Paul found where they had deposited the Holy Grail and returned to France with the exact location. "What strange mystery is concealed within the new temple of Solomon, edified by the Children of Saint Vincent?" from 'le Serpent Rouge', Jean Cocteau


Cheers, Loki

 

[ECS]

Sorry, but the coconut fibre dated to the 13th or 14th century is much more than speculation, imho! Nope, a few Templar's led by Gerard de Villers crossed the big pond in 1308, stopped for awhile on Oak Island then sailed from there around to Annapolis Basin.

Now here's speculation. In 1604 Vincent de Paul found where they had deposited the Holy Grail and returned to France with the exact location. "What strange mystery is concealed within the new temple of Solomon, edified by the Children of Saint Vincent?" from 'le Serpent Rouge', Jean Cocteau

Where is the documentation of de Villers 1308 Templar visit?
Hopefully not in a poem by an alleged Grandmaster of a fictional Priory of Sion, or a chapter from Lynn Picknett and Clive Price or fantasy from Baigent, Leigh, and Lincoln, but an actual solid documented history verified by real academics of history.

 

[lokiblossom]

Where is the documentation of de Villers 1308 Templar visit?
Hopefully not in a poem by an alleged Grandmaster of a fictional Priory of Sion, or a chapter from Lynn Picknett and Clive Price or fantasy from Baigent, Leigh, and Lincoln, but an actual solid documented history verified by real academics of history.

You wrote that the Templars being on Oak Island was speculation right? Speculation means devoid of any evidence, so I wrote that the dating of the coconut fibre to the 13th or 14th century is evidence, do you get it now? I should add that 18 vessels disappearing never to be seen again along with Grand Master Gerard de Villers also contributes a little evidence to the fray.


Cheers, Loki

 

[ECS]

That is NOT considered as evidence, just as Muir's Sinclair Journals and the previous listed authors books are NOT considered as evidence, just speculation based on a documented event that is then combined with unrelated events, people, locations, and objects (coconut coir) to create a "new" history to support one's pet theory.

 

[ECS]

...
Cathar sympathy is also common knowledge as is the "fact" that many Templar's came from Cathar Families in the Languedoc which, in case you don't know was the center of the Cathar heresy.

Another poster claims to have a list of names of the Templars who voyaged to Nova Scotia, so, do you have a list of these Templars from Cathar families in the Languedoc?
Open statements like this provided without proof, usually are just statements without proof.

 

[lokiblossom]

Another poster claims to have a list of names of the Templars who voyaged to Nova Scotia, so, do you have a list of these Templars from Cathar families in the Languedoc?
Open statements like this provided without proof, usually are just statements without proof.

Yeah, there's a list of them in several publications such as Holy Blood Holy Grail.

Cheers, Loki

 

[ECS]

Yeah, there's a list of them in several publications such as Holy Blood Holy Grail.

Beyond Baigent, Leigh, and Lincoln, but real documented lists by real historians and NOT by the Three Stooges of pop pulp pseudo history who are not considered credible by any legitimate historian or lettered academic.

 

[tinpan]

Hi The DNA report on the origin of the coconut . Is which Pacific or Indian ocean ? The shelf life of a coconut is what ? How far did the Templars have to sail to get a coconut and sail back to Oak Island . How many months ? If the inaccurate carbon dating on anything exposed to marine carbon was not solved until September last year how is you claim to the Oak Island Coconut scientifically correct ? Please explain the questions above TP

 

[lokiblossom]

Beyond Baigent, Leigh, and Lincoln, but real documented lists by real historians and NOT by the Three Stooges of pop pulp pseudo history who are not considered credible by any legitimate historian or lettered academic.

You continue to berate Holy Blood Holy Grail and its three authors. True they were caught up in part of a hoax, which they were not party to, but they also brought up many interesting facts.

You couldn't find the name of the Last Cathar which is plastered all over the internet so why don't you see if you can answer your own question which is also easily googled. Surely you are much smarter than Baigent, Leigh or Lincoln and you might even find more contradicting information to use. You do realize that the many of the Catholics and Cathars in the Languedoc area were connected as friends and families. Read the story of the massacre at Beziers if you don't believe me.

Cheers, Loki

 

[tinpan]

You wrote that the Templars being on Oak Island was speculation right? Speculation means devoid of any evidence, so I wrote that the dating of the coconut fibre to the 13th or 14th century is evidence, do you get it now? I should add that 18 vessels disappearing never to be seen again along with Grand Master Gerard de Villers also contributes a little evidence to the fray.


Cheers, Loki

Hi Written in Hebrew , Latin , Greek Arabic and later Medieval languages is Judean Date Palm and Dates .Crusades are clearly recorded eating them . Nothing in Medieval Europe History or The Crusades about coconuts .So Palm Sunday religiously wrong or should be Called Coconut Sunday ? TP

 

[ECS]

...
You couldn't find the name of the Last Cathar which is plastered all over the internet so why don't you see if you can answer your own question which is also easily googled...

I never tried to find the name of the "Last Cathar", due to his having nothing to do with proving that Templars were connected to Oak Island.
Just another example of random unrelated facts that prove absolutely nothing concerning the topic.