The Knights Templar connection to Oak Island Challenge

[ECS]

All circumstantial that does not prove the Templars ever sailed to Nova Scotia, or that a conspiracy existed over centuries with people totally unrelated to each other, separated by time and location and without any known contact, hide the Grail in "the New World" and have coded clues placed in paintings, parchments, and monuments that only the "enlighten" can discover and understand.

True research would present a "chain of evidence" that would document how all these random people and events are connected to the Grail story beyond the maybe, could be speculation that has been presented in place of fact.
If these connections can not be established, all of this are only random coincidences force fitted to create a fabricated pseudo timeline to support a pet theory.

You didn't comment on the lack of a connected chain of evidence addressed in this post.

 

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[lokiblossom]

Do you consider anyone who presents facts that question tour speculation a "debunker" ?
PS: Yes, I can translate Latin.

No, not at all. I don't even consider you a debunker, meaning I actually misspoke in my last post, sorry!

Cheers, Loki

 

[ECS]

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True that Perceval of Chretien de Troyes is the oldest Grail romance still existing, but there are many theories concerning the origin of Grail stories as well as Grails.
Academics as well as other researchers have identified Celtic and European pre-Christian myths, as well as Byzantine myths married to Eastern Orthodox traditions, as well as ancient Persian cult practices, pre-Christian nature worship in the Middle East and alchemical symbology.
During the 12th and 13th centuries due to tales brought back from the Crusades, Grail stories appeared in a variety of languages including French, German, Spanish, Welsh, and English, with as many variations, such as the Guardian Fisher Kings.

You also did not comment on these other "GRAIL origin" stories that do not involve Templars, that contain variations of the legend.

 

[sasquash]

I'm sure that if you understand Latin you can see some of the obvious errors, such as the 0 in the date and the date itself along with several other errors. Proof the tombstone was created sometime before 1905 to make the anagram work.

That is from Paul Smith a known Rennes le Chateau debunker,(in other words, your own kind) but he has never satisfactorily answered the same question I just asked!

Cheers, Loki

Is this the original one ?

http://www.renneslechateau.info/wp-content/uploads/pdf/Bulletin_de_la_Societe_etudes_scientifiques_de_Aude_1906.pdf

 

[lokiblossom]

Is this the original one ?

http://www.renneslechateau.info/wp-content/uploads/pdf/Bulletin_de_la_Societe_etudes_scientifiques_de_Aude_1906.pdf

Yes it is a copy of the original!

Cheers, Loki

 

[lokiblossom]

If you really got into this you would find that the so-called confessions themselves are forgeries created by a couple that hated de Cherisey. In the first place there were three parchments, one of which had a coded message on each side. The other two contained very important genealogies, because of which they drew the attention of British agents. If you read some of de Cherisey's earlier letters you would see his intentions were indeed honorable.

One important evidence for the authenticity of the Shepherdess Parchment (created before 1905) is the fact that the tombstone the 128 letter anagram came from had errors created on purpose to make the anagram work. In other words the tombstone was created for the purpose of the anagram! Although the tombstone has since disappeared a copy was made in 1905 with all the errors by an accredited historical source, SESA, of which I have a copy sent by them, in good faith, to me which also includes the whole excursion. My copy is in French and has been translated to English. The tombstone was for a Marie de Blanchefort who died in 1781. Explain to me how or why, SESA in 1905 could have been privy to a hoax in the 1950's, 60's. Although I have seen attempts at this, in the end they do not work.

Another equally important point is the Poussin work itself. Created in the 1630's with, lets call it an alleged code, in the 1750's a copy, the Shugborough(albeit with a few changes), was created with an obvious code. Evidently the creator (designer) of the Shugborough had some knowledge of the earlier Poussin Code. It is a fact that Poussin was known as the keeper of secrets.

Something else that should be mentioned is the Tenniers which seems to get little attention. As I mentioned earlier the "no-temptation" is meant for the Poussin not the Tenniers, but the Tenniers is referenced by the "cross" and the letters "PAX". In the Tenniers is a map and the obvious "Horse of God" that indicates the correct version.


Cheers, Loki

And you didn't comment on any of this!

Cheers, Loki

 

[lokiblossom]

You also did not comment on these other "GRAIL origin" stories that do not involve Templars, that contain variations of the legend.

There were many Grail stories up to and including the Authurian Romances (a good thing becomes popular). But the early ones were more to the point such as that by Chretien de Troyes who was also from Troyes and commissioned by the Countess of Champagne to write the story about the same year as the fall of Jerusalem, although his was never finished. The most telling was the one by Wolfram von Eschenbach composed sometime between 1195 and 1216. He describes the Knights Templar (Knights with red crosses emblazoned on their chests) and the Cathars as the keepers of the Grail along with their sacred mountain "Montsegur", in Wolframs tale 'Montsalvat', both words meaning the same thing, safe mountain. Wolfram asserts there is much more to the Grail story than an object of considerable wealth but also a means of concealing something of immense consequence.

There was indeed a connection, or common thread, from one era to the next along the underground stream, seen underneath the Poussin and in Rene de Anjou's work, just ask Jean Cocteau about it. And it doesn't take an enlightened one to find, only curious.

Cheers, Loki

 

[ECS]

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There was indeed a connection, or common thread, from one era to the next along the underground stream, seen underneath the Poussin and in Rene de Anjou's work, just ask Jean Cocteau about it. And it doesn't take an enlightened one to find, only curious.

Are you of the belief that this "thread" through the centuries is the PRIORY OF SION with French artist, writer , filmmaker Jean Cocteau as its GRAND MASTER?

 

[lokiblossom]

Are you of the belief that this "thread" through the centuries is the PRIORY OF SION with French artist, writer , filmmaker Jean Cocteau as its GRAND MASTER?

No its not, but some of the names are the same, one of those is Mr. Cocteau!

Cheers, Loki

 

[ECS]

...or a neo-TEMPLAR or "biros gamos"?

 

[lokiblossom]

...or a neo-TEMPLAR or "biros gamos"?

That doesn't deserve a response!!!

 

[ECS]

www.prioryofsion.co.uk/html/priory_of_sion_grandmasters.html
Rene de Anjou and Jean Cocteau as well as others are on this list of Grandmasters of the Priory of Sion/Templars beginning in the 13th century.
This list does deserve a response.

 

[lokiblossom]

No its not, but some of the names are the same, one of those is Mr. Cocteau!

The word "Grandmaster" is a misnomer!

Cheers, Loki

 

[ECS]

Misnomer or not, is the Priory of Sion/ Templars the basis of your Grail in Oak Island theory?

 

[lokiblossom]

No its not, but some of the names are the same, one of those is Mr. Cocteau!

Cheers, Loki

Cheers, Loki

 

[ECS]

... I state that there is logical evidence for a Knights Templar presence on the Island.

Please produce your "logical evidence" for a Knights Templar presence on the island, if indeed you actually have real evidence that can support of you statement.

 

[lokiblossom]

Please produce your "logical evidence" for a Knights Templar presence on the island, if indeed you actually have real evidence that can support of you statement.

"Coconut Fibre"

Cheers, Loki

 

[sasquash]

Priory of Sion Grandmasters
Rene de Anjou and Jean Cocteau as well as others are on this list of Grandmasters of the Priory of Sion/Templars beginning in the 13th century.
This list does deserve a response.

From the same web site :

The Prieur de Sion, usually rendered in English translation as Priory of Sion or Priory of Zion, has, since the 1970s, been an elusive protagonist in many works of pseudohistory. It has been characterized as anything from the most influential secret society in Western history to a modern Rosicrucian-esque ludibrium, but, ultimately, has been proven to be a hoax created by Pierre Plantard. Most of the evidence presented in support of claims pertaining to its historical existence, let alone significance, has not been considered authentic or persuasive by established historians, academics, and universities.

Humm ....

 

[Raparee]

"Coconut Fibre"

Cheers, Loki

... is that it? Because if it is, I'm underwhelmed.

 

[lokiblossom]

... is that it? Because if it is, I'm underwhelmed.

"Logical circumstantial evidence" That's what I called it and that's what it is!

Cheers, Loki