the everything site ...?

Well Blindbowman had posted a message here saying "Gone hunting" so I presume he is busy trying to get food for the winter. Unfortunately he apparently deleted the message soon after. I think everyone else is still here and around, just been quiet lately. You could sure open things up, should you like?
Oroblanco
 

Oro... I shall work on that tomorrow, been so busy of late.
What did you think of the Gutenberg book?
I may have asked before but are you coming for the LDM get together?
Hope so.
Janiece
 

Oro:
BB could have gone "hunting",although his use of monikers such as "blindbowman" and "losarrows",just to name two, lead me to believe that his intended prey has little to fear.Read the linked story and especially the comments for a better idea of BB's literary talent.He has much more out there worth the read,much of it quite creative but I will leave it up to you to form your own opinions.

http://www.desertusa.com/mag02/jul/ld2.html

Regards:SH.
 

Ah yes SH... may I call you Hiker instead.

Before I engaged (and after) in this forum I did some research on BB... most interesting. I recently came to the conclusion that some here also go in under other names, ah but the turn of a phrase can reveal... LOL

This something someone sent to me... its relevant because I've been battling with a cat that comes into my yard and beats the heck out of my 20yr old Baby cat. If anyone ever had the impression that I can be fierce... well don't mess with anything I love.
I thought you guys would enjoy the OT but funny doings.
And NO I would not tase the cat, I just want him to hear that sound and associate it with me.

Remember... this is from another forum:
Subject: demon cat update
OK ... tonight the cat and I were almost in a death match ...
unfortunately, I tased myself. So much for that, damn that hurts.

I do not recommend that anyone try this, leave it to the pro's, of course if you have half a mind don't grab the damn thing from the wrong end, especially with a mean cat advancing on you. I'm going to have to rethink my strategy. Any suggestions?
War is on.
Janiece
 

shoot... sent to soon.. you will excuse my 'electrical' problems

this is what came next
Someone sent this to me, and I thought you might enjoy the read......
Jim

Last weekend I saw something at Larry's Pistol & Pawn Shop that sparked my interest. The occasion was our 22nd anniversary and I was looking for a little something extra for my wife Toni. What I came across was a
100,000-volt, pocket/purse-sized taser. The effects of the taser were suppose to be short lived, with no long-term adverse affect on your assailant, allowing her adequate time to retreat to safety.... WAY TOO COOL!

Long story short, I bought the device and brought it home. I loaded two triple-a batteries in the darn thing and pushed the button. Nothing! I was disappointed. I learned, however, that if I pushed the button AND pressed it against a metal surface at the same time; I'd get the blue arch of electricity darting back and forth between the prongs. Awesome!!! Unfortunately, I have yet to explain to Toni what that burn spot is on the face of her microwave.

Okay, so I was home alone with this new toy, thinking to myself that it couldn't be all that bad with only two triple-a batteries,. right?!!!

There I sat in my recliner, my cat Gracie looking on intently
(trusting little soul) while I was reading the directions and thinking that I really needed to try this thing out on a flesh & blood moving target. I must admit I thought about zapping Gracie (for a fraction of a second) and thought better of it. She is such a sweet cat. But, if I was going to give this thing to my wife to protect herself against a mugger, I did want some assurance that it would work as advertised. Am I wrong?

So, there I sat in a pair of shorts and a tank top with my reading glasses perched delicately on the bridge of my nose, directions in one hand, taser in another. The directions said that a one-second burst would shock and disorient your assailant; a two-second burst was supposed to cause muscle spasms and a major loss of bodily control; a three-second burst would purportedly make your assailant flop on the ground like a fish out of water. Any burst longer than three seconds would be wasting the batteries.

All the while I'm looking at this little device measuring about
5" long, less than 3/4 inch in circumference; pretty cute really and loaded with two itsy, bitsy triple-a batteries) thinking to myself, "no possible way!"

What happened next is almost beyond description, but I'll do my best.....

I'm sitting there alone, Gracie looking on with her head cocked to one side as to say, "don't do it master," reasoning that a one-second burst from such a tiny little ole thing couldn't hurt all that bad.. I decided to give myself a one-second burst just for the heck of it. I touched the prongs to my naked thigh, pushed the button, and HOLY MOTHER, WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION@!@$$!%!@*!!!

I'm pretty sure Jessie Ventura ran in through the side door, picked me up in the recliner, then body slammed us both on the carpet, over and over and over again. I vaguely recall waking up on my side in the fetal position, with tears in my eyes, body soaking wet, both nipples on fire, testicles nowhere to be found, with my left arm tucked under my body in the oddest position, and tingling in my legs. The cat was standing over me making meowing sounds I had never heard before, licking my face, undoubtedly thinking to herself, "do it again, do it again!"

Note: If you ever feel compelled to "mug" yourself with a taser, one note of caution: there is no such thing as a one-second burst when you zap yourself. You will not let go of that thing until it is dislodged from your hand by a violent thrashing about on the floor. A three second burst would be considered conservative.

SON-OF-A-.. that hurt like heck!!! A minute or so later (I can't be sure, as time was a relative thing at that point), collected my wits
(what little I had left), sat up and surveyed the landscape. My bent reading glasses were on the mantel of the fireplace. How did they up! get

there??? My triceps, right thigh and both nipples were still twitching. My face felt like it had been shot up with Novocain, and my bottom lip weighed 88 lbs. I'm still looking for my testicles? I'm offering a significant reward for their safe return

This is my response.
OMG... that is the funniest story.

I think something is wrong with my taser (of course taking into account that I had it in one hand and was attempting to grab it with the other, while still on),

I just dropped to my knees and scared demon cat enough to drop the "ima gonna kill yous bitch' attitude to 'lookie at that stupid bitch, don' need ta kill er'.. she crazy'' while delicately licking his paw.

Oh and I'm hoping the sttttuuutttterrr I've had since the incident subsides.
Janiece
 

Oroblanco said:
Well Blindbowman had posted a message here saying "Gone hunting" so I presume he is busy trying to get food for the winter. Unfortunately he apparently deleted the message soon after. I think everyone else is still here and around, just been quiet lately. You could sure open things up, should you like?
Oroblanco
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yes, i am bow hunting , shot a nice spike this morning , but it started raining hard and i track the blood trail for a few hunderd yards and lost it in a havey rain in a swamp . it sucks ,, one of the only two deer i have shot and not recoverd ..out of 71 deer i have shot so far .. i can hit from 125 yards ,, i am shotting the bowtech BK2 at 350 Fps with under weighted arrows takeing me to 372fps ..fastest bow for miles around here ... i spend hours out in the rain searching for this spike ..i hate it .. .. its the only time i hate hunting ,it just feeds the coyotes ..lol whats worstis both deer i have lost were in this same area , i lost a nice big 6 piont about 3 years ago in this same place ..real rough area ..

...good hit on him just didnt stop him from running ,we tryed dogs and still could not find him .. hard rain, bad timeing ...

this is the frist time i have come to check out the site .. .. i am up by 4 and gone by 5 and i hunt morning & evenning hunts in early bow ,so i dont have the time to get here for a few more days ...

stay safe stay free
 

Losing a deer that you've shot is always a very solemn and depressing thing. I quit hunting years ago - I just decided I didn't have it in me to kill an animal anymore - I'd rather sit in a blind all day just to get that perfect camera shot.

...i can hit from 125 yards...
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It seems as though most of your posts have some kind of "controversial aspect" to them - I'm beginning to think you enjoy getting into arguments :) While a truly exceptional hunter could hit a deer at 125-150 yards with a bow, anyone I've ever spoken to considers that to be a "hail mary" shot that has less than a 10% chance of killing the deer and a much higher risk of just wounding it and causing it to die later without a chance of being found. With your poor eyesight, how are you able to consistently hit a deer from that range?
 

HOLA amigos,

Janeice - thanks for the kind words, we are going to try to make it but I dare not make any (new) promises until I get a few (old) promises taken care of. Sorry to hear of the feral attack cat problem, would suggest a box trap and just catch the nasty bugger so as to remove it to new "home" - the Humane Society. :thumbsup: Funny about how some folks will use more than one persona/character to engage in forum banter. I have had several folks send me PM's asking if I were really Real de Tayopa using another name, which I took as a compliment but did think it strange.

Blindbowman sorry to hear that you lost your buck. I have to ask this but did you find any large skid marks, patches of blood, wads of deer hair that looked strange? (Like someone dragged out a deer.) I have had a deer stolen by someone finding it before I did, and know of two other instances of such "un-sportsmanship" - by game thieves. I can't imagine why someone would do such a thing but it happens, I can only hope that it was a case of them being desperate for meat to have reached that point. However it sure does not make your hunt any better to have done it all "right" only to have someone take it without so much as a "thanks". Heck if they had asked, I would likely have given them the deer but some folks would rather steal. :o :'( You mentioned that you had lots of rains, which might have erased any trace of the game thief by now.

As for taking shots at a deer with a bow at 125 yards, I would sure never try that. I did get into long range archery with a buddy of mine and actually got able to hit a three inch bull at 100 yards with every shot, even doing the "Robin Hood" thing cutting an arrow in two with a follow-on shot, but it was pure luck and really the amount of energy (foot-pounds) in even a heavy arrow at 100 yards is not enough to guarantee a mortal wound on an animal the size of a deer. Just my opinion of course, but I would never take such a shot - too much chance of wounding without killing. Now if you were using a crossbow, even 125 yards would not be too far in my opinion.

Good luck and good hunting to you all, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
Oroblanco
 

Any competent bowhunter will tell you that shots taken beyond 50-60 yards are a crapshoot.....at best. Most shots are 40 yards, or less. I spent many years as a bowhunter, and started shooting competitively in my teens.
Anyone who stands a football field, or more, away from a deer, or any other animal and takes a shot at it, IMHO, is a Gorgon.......or Howard Hill. Not everyone will know who Howard Hill was, except for a few of our older bowhunters.

Anyone who claims to be "legally blind", should find another hobby, and that's a FACT!

At this point, I am ready to get back to a conversation that has some (very little) basis in truth. That would be the existence of Atlantis. :D Those of you in that conversation may catch the connection to Gorgon's. :icon_study:

Something tells me I have a word in this post that will get.....massaged. :tard:

Joe Ribaudo
 

Cactusjumper wrote:
Anyone who claims to be "legally blind", should find another hobby, and that's a FACT!
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Hi Joe - I kind of had a reaction when I saw it too, picturing a blind man shooting arrows at "sound shots" in the woods, but PERHAPS when he said he was "legally blind" he meant as "uncorrected vision"? Blindbowman do you care to set the record straight on this point? Thank you in advance,
Oroblanco
 

the blindbowman said:
yes, i am bow hunting , shot a nice spike this morning , but it started raining hard and i track the blood trail for a few hunderd yards and lost it in a havey rain in a swamp . it sucks ,, one of the only two deer i have shot and not recoverd ..out of 71 deer i have shot so far .. i can hit from 125 yards ,, i am shotting the bowtech BK2 at 350 Fps with under weighted arrows takeing me to 372fps ..fastest bow for miles around here ... i spend hours out in the rain searching for this spike ..i hate it .. .. its the only time i hate hunting ,it just feeds the coyotes ..lol whats worstis both deer i have lost were in this same area , i lost a nice big 6 piont about 3 years ago in this same place ..real rough area ..

...good hit on him just didnt stop him from running ,we tryed dogs and still could not find him .. hard rain, bad timeing ...

this is the frist time i have come to check out the site .. .. i am up by 4 and gone by 5 and i hunt morning & evenning hunts in early bow ,so i dont have the time to get here for a few more days ...

stay safe stay free
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I too have considerable hunting experience and as Joe said, ethical competent archers
will not shoot at anything close to 125 yards away, except maybe a charging griz on
to you and you have no firearm for backup. It is fun to lob shots at stationary practice
targets that distant but there are just too many varibles, dozens of things that can
affect the flight of even the most precise arrow shot from the best bow made. I know
in my state you can get a crossbow permit for archery tags if you have been declared
legally blind by a doctor. It seems irresponsible to me to even attempt a shot that
far even with a crossbow, visually impaired or not. but my crossbow experience is very limited.

As far as the deer getting away, my guess, just a guess is that you revealed yourself
to it not long after you shot it, causing it to run further, but this is just a guess, and I
don't mean to be insulting. Deer are amazing as to what they can sense, especially
after something tried to kill them. I wouldn't worry too much if you put forth the
extended extra effort to find it, you did your best. I learn new things every time I
hunt and you will probably do just fine next time. And coyotes have to eat, same as
buzzards and worms. Deer around here are way overpopulated and thousands of
tags go unsold.

A young friend of mine who hunts filmed hunts for team PSE and is on TV quite often,
shot a pronghorn in Oro's South Dakota three weeks ago that was just a inch and
half off of the state archery record. The next week he arrowed a 4X4 whitetail in the badlands of North Dakota still in velvet with an inside spread of over 24 inches!
Wish I was young again.
 

NICE BUCK amigo, my congrats to your brother! (They do grow 'em BIG in ND don't they?) ;D I must agree with you Pronghorn completely - in nature, nothing is wasted.

Blindbowman are you just yanking our collective chain here? I am getting that impression....
Oroblanco
 

Hey Oro
Thanks my friend, I have taken many nice bucks also but I never put any on the wall
like my brothers do, I have a great pile of racks in the yard though.
I have a question, would a true remote veiwing shape shifting shaman ever fail to find a wounded/presumed dead deer? I am not familiar with shamistic abilities/
 

Roy,

"I did get into long range archery with a buddy of mine and actually got able to hit a three inch bull at 100 yards with every shot, even doing the "Robin Hood" thing cutting an arrow in two with a follow-on shot, but it was pure luck and really the amount of energy (foot-pounds) in even a heavy arrow at 100 yards is not enough to guarantee a mortal wound on an animal the size of a deer."

I will assume you have not done much bowhunting. Foot-pounds of energy is not what kills an animal in bowhunting. If you are lucky enough to hit your target at 100 yards, most any modern day broadhead will do enough damage/penetration to cause the animal to bleed to death.

At 100 yards, your 3" bullseye will look like a pinhead. At that distance, your point of aim is nowhere near the target. To hit that target "every shot", each arrow must be precisely identical; The release must be precisely identical; The point of aim must be precisely identical, and that point of aim will be a high distance above the target. The wind must not change.......at all. In the end, if you come close to the target, it will require massive amounts of luck.

Bowman is not using a crossbow.

Take care,

Joe
 

Joe you are assuming incorrectly, and the foot-pounds of energy are what is required to drive the arrow deep enough to cause a fatal wound by severing arteries. I started bowhunting at the age of twelve, and am not making it up about the long range shooting. We used standard target arrows (field points) and only on calm days. I could find a witness to prove it if need be (you can pay for the phone call), though the arrow that got split did get destroyed in a fire. I never claimed to have hit the arrow deliberately, it was pure luck. At that range, using 55 pound recurve bows, (though my buddy switched to a slightly heavier pull later) the field points would only penetrate a hay bale a few inches. Even with the sharpest broadheads, hitting a deer at that range would NOT penetrate deep enough to cause a mortal wound in my opinion; it simply does not have enough remaining energy (foot pounds) to drive it through tough hide, muscle and bone. If you can prove that a sharp broadhead can penetrate deep enough to kill at that range, I will be glad to eat my words.

I will point out to you that Mongol archers of 800 years ago habitually fired volleys at their enemies at ranges of 100 yards and more, though with limited effect until the range was lessened. If you are as experienced an archer as you claim, you would know that - not to mention the extreme long range archery contests of years back using foot-bows. With practice anyone can hit a pie plate with a good bow and arrows at 100 yards, or better. (Also this was in my youth, and I had slightly better than 20-20 vision, though unfortunately that has gone.) I remember when the first compound bows came out and how I wanted one, until I shot one and heard the amount of noise it made. Of late I have been thinking of getting a longbow, just for fun.

Good luck and good hunting, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
Oroblanco
 

Well, I haven't posted much around here, but, I have to intervene in this one.

Not only has Roy done LOTS of bowhunting, but he is exceptionally good at it - I'll have to find a picture I took of one of his whitetails that he shot.

He is also an EXCEPTIONAL shot with a rifle - and I don't say this because he is my hubby, I say this only because its true. He has never gone to a tournament where he hasn't come home with a prize - or two or three.

Footpounds of energy is ALWAYS the mark of whether you have a good kill - whether it is a rifle or a bow. If you don't have the energy to penetrate - it doesn't do enough damage.

And, with hunting tips, like serpentines, foot-pounds of energy is crucial you making the arrow do its "drilling" job. If foot-pounds of energy didn't matter, you wouldn't need the bow, you could throw it at the game.


B
 

Roy,

You are correct. It does take foot-pounds on energy to penatrate the animal. Some animals take more, some less. What kills the animal, if it is large, is the broadhead. That, along with the weight of the arrow, and the speed are also important factors. Arrow placement, like bullet placement, is important.

My first bow was also a recurve. I was an instinctive shooter, and never used any of the various sights that were later developed. I did graduate to a nice Martin laminated compound bow, which I had until a few years ago. I had not shot it in years. Bad shoulders.

If you say you could hit a target every time at 100 yards, I believe it. Many people have split an arrow in competition, you shoot enough arrows and the odds of it happening get pretty good. Sounds like you were one hell of a shot.

Take care,

Joe
 

Mrs. Oroblanco.... very cool! Very nice to hear from you! I'm Janiece resident pain in the you know where. I admire that you spoke up. Very loving. it is very nice talking with your husband and he is a fount of knowledge.

OK, so I'm going to go fishing this week with a stick, bobber and a paper clip... details later. Mainly because I've never shot a crossbow. Although I am OK with hand guns.

I'm sorry that Mr. and Mrs. Oro will not be at the LDM gathering in October, I had hoped to get your stories and experiences. Yeeeessssh Don Jose isn't even coming.
Blindbowman, you are coming aren't you !?

I found some very intersting books on ancient mariners, will let you know what I find. I watched the Bob Ballard docu this afternoon about his explorations, darn I love him. LOL

I am curious, years ago a stone/rock.. whatever called cats eye was found here in AZ, does anyone know what and where to find them?
Janiece :bunny:
 

LOL, where do you guys get this stuff ,, i said i can hit from a 125 yards out , thats target shotting and the most i have ever shot a deer from is 75 yards ,and i shot well over 500 times every year before the seasons starts ..

and no i take bowhunting very much to a prefection .... i am legally blind without my glasses ..i can just about read a stop sign from about 8ft away without my glasses on .. so yes i am legally blind without them ..but under stand there is nothing wrong with my eyes . it is damage to the front templar cortex of the brain .

nerve damage to the brain ..my eyes are fine , but what i see is blury they correct this with glasses because their is nothing they could do for the neuron nerve damage in the brain ..brain swelling for 3 days was not very fun at all . and the bleeding into my eye sockes was not fun ether ..., i have had about 412 eye apiontments & doctor tests and check ups ..in the frist 5 years ..now its slowing down i hope but maybe to late . i dont know how long i can save what sight i have now .. i need new glasses again and there are only one or two more sizes left for my left eye ., i try not to think about it .. it is stll better then being blind ...

i dont think i would shot a deer beyond 50 yards at this piont...

i was shotting targets at 75 yards last week ...

i just got this bow last week and i like to set them up and shot a new bow each year if i can ...this is a older bow but well takeing care of ..i hate the set up on this bow and i could get it to hit themuch faster if i had my set up .but the bow took longer to get here so i didnt have the time to set it up to my standards yet .. ,the wisker bisket sucks ...

i hate them .. they slow the arrow down so much i can hear the diffrence in the bow ...right now i am shotting a beman MFX for hunting . but you know target shoting is a totally diffrent set up for shotting ...i can set up with a 28 inch arrow and speed for hunting and target shot with a 31 1/2 inch arrow and over size the arrow for better long distence shoting for target . they are two very diffrent types of set ups ..

most target bows are longer axis to axis then hunting bows

i have had 3 diffrent bowtech ,threw the years ,a tribute,a mighty mite ,and this BK2 . dont bye into the sales talk . a fast bow is only as good as the setup ,

i shot a 70 lb bow but some people dont use it for hunting .. i have shot a 80 lbs..before

most modern hunting bows are very close in set ups .. untill you prefect the setup for each presons ..you can have the best bow out there but without a good setup and tuneing your wasteing your money ...

i have lost two deer in my life and both have been after my recovery from being blind .. i know its a matter of time ..

killing for sport has no value to me ...

i eat what i shot and i only shot what i eat ...and i am sure of the shot or i dont let it fly...i can let them walk past all day long if thats what t takes to make a clean hit ...


i look back at the year of the hunt after each year , if i feel i can not hunt safely and effectly .. i will hang the bow up for the last time ...or give it to a young begainer ...i do hunt posted land and i am the only hunter on this land ..

i have enjoyed bow hunting to its fullist and i have some great memmories ..you would never beleive in a thousand years ..lol

but it was real and a lot of fun threw the years ..


take care ...
 

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