tayopa, legend or reality ...?

HI Peerless:There are a no. of cliff dwellings here, some north east of Alamos in the western drainage of the Rio Chinapas, still untouched as far as I know. Plus the giant's burial caves and the remains of the wee ones living centers near Babayahui on top of the almost inaccessible mesas.

Incidentally, the Yaqui made their storage bins in the form of giant ollas (clay jugs, jars, etc.) underground. One can easily stand inside of them. Hmm on second thought, of course they would have to be, how else to get that last bit of grain?

Don Jose de la Mancha

p.s. As for those church records, I frankly have no idea since I have never seen them, but certainly would love to examine them...
 

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HOLA amigos,

I ran across a brief bit on Tayopa, spelled as "Tiopa" written by Frederick Remington and published in Harper's new monthly magazine Feb 1, 1894, here is the extract
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Here is his sketch of a view of some cliff dwellings there:
Cliff-dwellings-near-Tayopa.JPG
(from "In the Sierra Madre with the Punchers", F. Remington)

Oroblanco
 

HOLA amigo - save your shekels for re-opening Tayopa amigo it is online free, quite a read IMHO even though they were only after deer and had little interest in the famous lost mines. What caught my eye about it was the spelling, you recall our discussion with our mutual amigo Capt Bill about "correct" spelling of Tayopa? I wonder what he would think of this version of spelling it - TIOPA. Capt Bill if you are reading this I would appreciate your views on this? <thanks in advance>

Here is the linkee to the article, "In the Sierras with the Punchers" by Remington <EDITED-CORRECTION>
http://www.harpers.org/archive/1894/02/0048616
WHOOPS wrong site, that is a PAY site, try this one instead

http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/cgi-...u/cgi-bin/moa/moa-cgi?notisid=ABK4014-0088-44

<The article starts about halfway down the page image, to continue reading it just click on the "hand" in the upper right corner of the screen. My apologies amigos, made a little mistake there. :-[>

I especially got a chuckle out of his description of the cook's hands being "rusty"! :o ;D :D :thumbsup:
Oroblanco
 

Dang I didn't realize that was a "pay" site - my apologies amigos, but don't get too perturbed with me just yet - here is another site and I guarantee it is FREE (long URL)

http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/cgi-...u/cgi-bin/moa/moa-cgi?notisid=ABK4014-0088-44

The article starts about half-way down the page-image, and to continue reading just click on the 'hand' found in the upper right of the screen page. Sorry about the mixup, and I hope you won't mention to Harpers about someone ACCIDENTLY accessing their files without paying? I must have done that quite by accident..... :-\ :dontknow: :sign12:
Oroblanco
 

oro you really should go back and do the right thing by harpers, like PAY them for using their website
 

Whit?? Actually Harper should pay Oro , the---err cowboy, a promotional fee for his professional services, since he has started people checking in on Harper's site. After all, top personnel like this do not come cheap.


Don Jose de La Mancha
 

Whitt wrote:
oro you really should go back and do the right thing by harpers, like PAY them for using their website
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I honestly didn't realize it was a pay site, apparently some of their files are not "firewalled" if you access them via the 'wrong' search engine. However the article is online elsewhere free, so it sure looks like the copyright has expired. I am thinking of paying the fee in order to access their whole archive though, might be more of the type of info I hunt for. I won't poke through anything else of theirs until I have paid for the access.

Real de Tayopa, gambusino explorador extraordinaire wrote:
Actually Harper should pay Oro , the---err cowboy, a promotional fee for his professional services, since he has started people checking in on Harper's site. After all, top personnel like this do not come cheap.
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Sheesh amigo my danged hat will be way too tight now! :o ::) ;D :D "Professional"? "Cowboy"? Oh well perhaps some day I can earn the title of 'prospector' in your eyes, I sure do not qualify for either of these titles mentioned. A real professional would not make such a silly mistake as not noticing a pay site IS a pay site, and a real cowboy would make me look like a total greenhorn. :binkybaby: Apparently real cowboys are somewhat scarce nowadays.

It strikes me how there were people like Remington and countless treasure hunters combing the barranca country hunting either game or the lost mines, yet none happened upon it. Don Jose', what do you think about the "scalp hunters" (mentioned by Dobie)? Do you think they were near Tayopa, or was that "Scalphunter's Ledge" a different ore outcropping entirely? Thank you in advance,
Oroblanco
 

Roy,

"What caught my eye about it was the spelling, you recall our discussion with our mutual amigo Capt Bill about "correct" spelling of Tayopa? I wonder what he would think of this version of spelling it - TIOPA."

I have often wondered if some of these popular treasure place-names aren't simple Anglo distortions of real locations in Mexico.......like Topia. At times, it seems a sure bet.

Take care,

Joe
 

HOLA Joe! I agree this spelling -TIOPA - is much more close to TOPIA than some of the other versions. In some cases it could be an Anglicized mangling or Espanolized mangling of Amerindian names, trying to spell out the way it "sounds" to the listener. With Topia however there are a few "devilish details" that I have trouble in fitting to Tayopa, like the gems. (NOT referring to the Topia silver-lead-zinc mine in Durango owned by Great Panther, as they simply named it that.)
Roy ~ Oroblanco
 

HOLA mi amigo Ed (about time you posted - seems you have been way too quiet lately! ;D) that is quite an interesting article! Thanks for posting it!

I have to wonder about this Lluvia de Oro they are describing, since they say it is a "Carlin type deposit" - which would mean a microscopic-particle type of gold deposit, largely disseminated in host rock and not the type of ore we associate with the old "Shower of Gold" mine, the ore from it was supposed to be literally spotted with dots and blebs of native gold, hardly the microscopic, disseminated (and usually Carlin type deposits are also quite low grade) so is it a case that they simply named their mine "Lluvia de Oro" after the famous ancient one? Thank you in advance,
Oroblanco
 

HOLA mi amigo Ed T (and everyone),

Ed T wrote
I have not been posting much because I did not get to take my yearly vacation down south... I have a new Whites GMT and I wanted to give it a try on some highly mineralized red earth.
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Dang buddy - sorry to hear that, I know just how it is NOT to be able to get back 'out there' due to such unreasonable demands like work, home etc. However with your new equipment, I have a feeling you are going to dig up some of the GOOD STUFF! :thumbsup:

Ed T also wrote
Oh, and that is an old article from 2007, Oro.
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Sheesh - I have NOT been keeping up. I do have to wonder, even if they simply named their mine after the famous ancient one, why they chose to name it that? They must have had reason, right? What do you think Ed? Thank you in advance,
Oroblanco
 

HOLA Ed (& everyone) - I wonder too, and he has been strangely quiet here lately. You would not believe the odd little article I ran across concerning Tayopa the other night - it was something that perhaps our now-missing amigo Blindbowman would have found very useful. It was a short bit that said there was a long-lost Pima gold mine, named TAIOPA, that is (or was) within a one-day hike of the Pima villages on the Salt river. According to the article, only the Pimas know where it was, and would not lead anyone to it. It was said to have been worked "long ago" (this article dated 1890) during the Spaniards days. Being within a day's hike of those villages would place this "Taiopa" in Arizona, which is what Blindbowman was saying a while ago.... :icon_study:
Oroblanco
 

good morning, bk. this LLuvia is NOT the famous LLuvia which is in southern Chihuahua, next to Sinaloa . Just north of the rio Fuerte. I once owned 33 % of the orig LLuvia, sign snifff.

Incidntally, the famous LLuvia began it's life in the later 1800's and died about the end of the reveloution.

This is the famous Lluvia de Oro --->

http://www.westtimminsmining.com/userfiles/file/Lluvia.pdf

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/20080501/timmins-039-rain-of-gold.htm

http://www.mexicohorse.com/Lluvia_de_oro_Photos.htm

I know quite a bit more than the present owners about this former operation and it's structure. snicker Maybe some day we can striks a deal. I also know where several bars are still hidden .

Don Jose de La Mancha

El still sniffing Saint , but also still contemplating justifiable homocide against his former partners that let it go for taxes ($200) "The Molino Brothers, that still live in Cuatemoc Chihuahua.
 

Thanks for the links amigo Don Jose', and since you have lost Lluvia once due to taxes, I would say keep one eye on those taxes. You never know, perhaps it can happen again? Do they publish a list of delinquent tax properties every year in a local newspaper? Just an idea... :icon_study:
Oroblanco
 

HOLA MI almost smooching buddy: Yes in the "Diario Offical" in Mexico city. Or simply

www.economia.gob.mx

Also, I might mention aprox. 50 tons of hidden high grade. The broken, "clean up" specimans actually were held together by wires of gold and silver.
Or a hidden room with several 45 kilo gold bars that hidden from the federals and rev boys. Later the gentleman in charge of them, decided that it couldn't be proven that they hadn't taken the bars along with any explosives, so he decided to just leave them covered up for the future. He is now dead.

Unfortunately I didn't learn of these, and others, until after I had lost the LLuvia. Interested mi amigo?

Don Jose de La Mancha
 

Wow muchas gracias mi amigo Don Jose', Dueno de Real y Minas de Tayopa! I had no idea that they publish tax lists on the internet, might make for some lively bidding? It might pay to keep an eye on it though, as you know what SPECIFIC property to watch for - you never know!

Don Jose' gambusino explorador extraordinaire wrote:
Also, I might mention aprox. 50 tons of hidden high grade. The broken, "clean up" specimans actually were held together by wires of gold and silver.
Or a hidden room with several 45 kilo gold bars that hidden from the federals and rev boys. Later the gentleman in charge of them, decided that it couldn't be proven that they hadn't taken the bars along with any explosives, so he decided to just leave them covered up for the future. He is now dead.

Unfortunately I didn't learn of these, and others, until after I had lost the LLuvia. Interested mi amigo?
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Interested? That would be putting it mildly! I presume the current or last known owners are not aware of these facts? If they are not aware, then it is very definitely worth keeping an eye on those tax lists amigo! Patience and perseverance can pay off.... :thumbsup:
Oroblanco
 

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