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I wonder what a handwriting expert would make of a comparison? 
tayopa, legend or reality ...?
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you want to know what makes the case stronger ,if you realize they are not taklking about santa fe NM ...on the stone tablets or the stone cross ....!
"Columbia Encyclopedia: Santa Fe,
city (1991 pop. 341,000), capital of Santa Fe prov., NE Argentina, a river port near the Paraná, with which it is connected by canal. On the eastern margin of the Pampa (see under pampas), it is an important shipping point for the agricultural products of much of NW Argentina. The city also has some industry. Founded by the Spanish conquistador Juan de Garay (1573), Santa Fe was the site of the promulgation of the 1853 Argentine constitution. There are several notable churches and a national university.
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"Columbia Encyclopedia: pampas
(păm'pəz, Span. päm'päs) , wide, flat, grassy plains of temperate S South America, c.300,000 sq mi (777,000 sq km), particularly in Argentina and extending into Uruguay. Although the region gradually rises to the west, it appears mostly level. Precipitation decreases from east to west. Trees are found only along watercourses. Covered by grasses whose height varies with the amount of rainfall received, the soil of the pampas is very fertile and supports a thriving pastoral and farming economy. The Pampa, c.250,000 sq mi (647,500 sq km), of central and N Argentina embraces parts of the provinces of Buenos Aires, Santa Fe, Córdoba, and La Pampa. Cattle was first introduced to the region by the Portuguese in the 1550s. Throughout the colonial period under Spain, only a small part of the Pampa was used; economic activity was practically restricted to primitive stock raising for the exportation of hides, tallow, and jerked beef. Herds of cattle roamed freely over the Pampa, and the gaucho, the Argentine cowboy, was the region's dominant figure in the 18th and early 19th cent. A new economic era was initiated in the second half of the 19th cent., when a growing European market for agricultural products (along with new technology for the shipment of food products) brought immigrant farmers (mostly Italian, Spanish, French and German) to the Pampa. They spread westward with the expansion of the railroad that was built to link the increasing number of ranches with the coast. Settlement spread into the interior, and land was brought under the plow as unfriendly Native Americans were driven out of the region and the gaucho yielded to the farmer. In the 20th cent. agriculture remains the chief economic activity of the Pampa; livestock grazing and wheat growing are found in the drier W Pampa while corn and other grains along with dairying and truck crops are found in the more humid E Pampa. In the seaboard cities of Buenos Aires, La Plata, and Bahía Blanca and in the river ports of Rosarío and Santa Fe are the only considerable industries; meatpacking and food processing are important. The region has a dense transportation network focused on Buenos Aires. The Pampa contains most of Argentina's population.
"Columbia Encyclopedia: Santa Fe,
city (1991 pop. 341,000), capital of Santa Fe prov., NE Argentina, a river port near the Paraná, with which it is connected by canal. On the eastern margin of the Pampa (see under pampas), it is an important shipping point for the agricultural products of much of NW Argentina. The city also has some industry. Founded by the Spanish conquistador Juan de Garay (1573), Santa Fe was the site of the promulgation of the 1853 Argentine constitution. There are several notable churches and a national university.
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"Columbia Encyclopedia: pampas
(păm'pəz, Span. päm'päs) , wide, flat, grassy plains of temperate S South America, c.300,000 sq mi (777,000 sq km), particularly in Argentina and extending into Uruguay. Although the region gradually rises to the west, it appears mostly level. Precipitation decreases from east to west. Trees are found only along watercourses. Covered by grasses whose height varies with the amount of rainfall received, the soil of the pampas is very fertile and supports a thriving pastoral and farming economy. The Pampa, c.250,000 sq mi (647,500 sq km), of central and N Argentina embraces parts of the provinces of Buenos Aires, Santa Fe, Córdoba, and La Pampa. Cattle was first introduced to the region by the Portuguese in the 1550s. Throughout the colonial period under Spain, only a small part of the Pampa was used; economic activity was practically restricted to primitive stock raising for the exportation of hides, tallow, and jerked beef. Herds of cattle roamed freely over the Pampa, and the gaucho, the Argentine cowboy, was the region's dominant figure in the 18th and early 19th cent. A new economic era was initiated in the second half of the 19th cent., when a growing European market for agricultural products (along with new technology for the shipment of food products) brought immigrant farmers (mostly Italian, Spanish, French and German) to the Pampa. They spread westward with the expansion of the railroad that was built to link the increasing number of ranches with the coast. Settlement spread into the interior, and land was brought under the plow as unfriendly Native Americans were driven out of the region and the gaucho yielded to the farmer. In the 20th cent. agriculture remains the chief economic activity of the Pampa; livestock grazing and wheat growing are found in the drier W Pampa while corn and other grains along with dairying and truck crops are found in the more humid E Pampa. In the seaboard cities of Buenos Aires, La Plata, and Bahía Blanca and in the river ports of Rosarío and Santa Fe are the only considerable industries; meatpacking and food processing are important. The region has a dense transportation network focused on Buenos Aires. The Pampa contains most of Argentina's population.
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Blindbowman, please don't be offended by this question as it is not intended to be some kind of smart-aleck remark, - I really want to know which is why I ask; but how can we be sure the reference to Santa Fe is NOT the Santa Fe New Mexico? Or failing a "certainty" can you explain why it is more likely?
Dang my poor memory but you had raised another point a while ago and I wanted to ask you something about it but now I can't recall what it was. Early onset of Alzheimer's I imagine.
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Dang my poor memory but you had raised another point a while ago and I wanted to ask you something about it but now I can't recall what it was. Early onset of Alzheimer's I imagine.
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did i say it was santa fe Nm . or is it De Santa fe, spain ....?
"You could easily drive through the little town of Santa Fe without realising its historical significance.
- This small town of about 13 thousand (located about 11 km from Granada city) was built in 1490 by Isabel and Fernando as the base camp for their assault on Granada, the last Moorish outpost on the Iberian Peninsula. It was strategically built blocking the Río Genil and hence communication between Granada and North Africa.
- It was here that the monarchs signed “Acuerdos de Capitulación de Santa Fe” (25th April, 1491). This was the truce wherein Boabdil (last Nazarí king of Granada) agreed the handover of his palace and city. Later, whilst leaving the city, Boabdil looked upon Granada for what would be the last time; he began to cry. In what is one of Spain’s most poignant quotes, his mother said llora como una mujer lo que no has sabido defender como un hombre (to cry as a woman for that which he could not defend as a man).
- In what was a busy year, the Monarchs also signed the other “Las Capitulaciones” on 17th April, 1492. These named Christopher Columbus the “Major Admiral of the Ocean Sea, Viceroy and Governor General of the Discovered Lands” and finaly approved the financing of his trip to discover an alternate route to the Indies.
Besides visiting the town for its historical significance, you can enjoy its culinary achievement; Piononos. This pastry is named in honour of Pope Pio IX (1792-1878); pope for a record 31 years and often lampooned by his Italian name Pio No No (wikipedia explains that he was considered quite conservative).
I had eaten Piononos loads before and never been wowed (upon reading this, local outrage may cutoff my future blog contributions). Their home rightly changed this opinion, but probably means that I’ll only ever eat them in Santa Fe. They are truly delicious; a custard filled pastry topped by burnt sugar.
Double risk on my point… we haven’t yet tried the recipe and it is translated… Blanca explains that this is basically a double recipe; one for pastry cream (creme patissiere) and the other for genoise.
For the pastry cream:
¼ l milk
200 g sugar
2 eggs
40 g soft flour
½ tsp lemon grated
For the biscuit:
3 yolks egg
5 whites egg
60 g sugar
80 g cornstarch
2 sp cold milk
1 cup rum
25 g cinnamon in dust
Pastry cream is a very versatile cream used in many cake and pastries. It is a thick custard cooked on the stove from milk, eggs, sugar, flour and cornstarch (as thickener). For the cream – boil the milk, sugar, cinnamon and lemon. Remove upon boiling. Beat the eggs and flour. Add the boiling milk. Return to a medium-high heat and whisk until it comes to the boil. Cool with a plastic wrap to prevent a skin from forming.
For the biscuit – beat the yolks with the sugar and milk. Heat and add the cornstarch. Beat the eggwhites until they peak. Add the eggwhites to the mixture. Pour onto baking paper in a linear fashion (approx 2 inches). Place in the oven for 10 minutes. Make a syrup with water, sugar and soak the genoise. Spread the pastry cream and roll. Sprinkle sugar on top and toast in the oven. Serve cold.
Vocab builder:
Empapar – to soak
Almibar – syrup
Almidón – cornstarch
Canela – cinnamon
Rallar – to grate
Regar – to irrigate
Placa - numberplate (you may well wonder how this made it into the vocab)
Harina pastelera – soft flour
Capitulación – capitulation
Rendición – surrender
Virrey – viceroy
Broadband connectivity in the South of Spain obviously felt that I was a little bit ahead of myself by blogging early last October. This is the reason for my one month absence. Hopefully this blog signifies service recommencing as normal.
------------ STOP PRESS "CASA YSLA Y LOS PINONOS" ------------
I have just been on the web to see if I could find a picture of the pastry shop where we had the famous Pionono. Not only did I find a picture, but a lot more about the Pionono. The pastelería is called "Casa Ysla" and is none other than the originator of the Pionono.
The history is amazing... in 1897 Ceferino Isla González (intern to Manuel “el Gallego”) opened his own store on Calle Real, Santa Fe. He was very devoted to the Virgin and wanted to pay homage to Pope Pius who, in 1854 had issued the infallibly defined the "dogma of the immaculate conception" (essentially that Mary was free from original sin). In this way, he decided to create a new pastry. The aim was to not only carry the name of the pope, but also his likeness; cylindrical and somewhat chubby.
In 1916, the King (Rey D. Alfonso XIII), whilst visiting a friend on a nearby farm, ate some Piononos for his afternoon snack. He was so taken by the delicious flavour that gave the title of official providers to the Royal House to Casa Ysla.
"You could easily drive through the little town of Santa Fe without realising its historical significance.
- This small town of about 13 thousand (located about 11 km from Granada city) was built in 1490 by Isabel and Fernando as the base camp for their assault on Granada, the last Moorish outpost on the Iberian Peninsula. It was strategically built blocking the Río Genil and hence communication between Granada and North Africa.
- It was here that the monarchs signed “Acuerdos de Capitulación de Santa Fe” (25th April, 1491). This was the truce wherein Boabdil (last Nazarí king of Granada) agreed the handover of his palace and city. Later, whilst leaving the city, Boabdil looked upon Granada for what would be the last time; he began to cry. In what is one of Spain’s most poignant quotes, his mother said llora como una mujer lo que no has sabido defender como un hombre (to cry as a woman for that which he could not defend as a man).
- In what was a busy year, the Monarchs also signed the other “Las Capitulaciones” on 17th April, 1492. These named Christopher Columbus the “Major Admiral of the Ocean Sea, Viceroy and Governor General of the Discovered Lands” and finaly approved the financing of his trip to discover an alternate route to the Indies.
Besides visiting the town for its historical significance, you can enjoy its culinary achievement; Piononos. This pastry is named in honour of Pope Pio IX (1792-1878); pope for a record 31 years and often lampooned by his Italian name Pio No No (wikipedia explains that he was considered quite conservative).
I had eaten Piononos loads before and never been wowed (upon reading this, local outrage may cutoff my future blog contributions). Their home rightly changed this opinion, but probably means that I’ll only ever eat them in Santa Fe. They are truly delicious; a custard filled pastry topped by burnt sugar.
Double risk on my point… we haven’t yet tried the recipe and it is translated… Blanca explains that this is basically a double recipe; one for pastry cream (creme patissiere) and the other for genoise.
For the pastry cream:
¼ l milk
200 g sugar
2 eggs
40 g soft flour
½ tsp lemon grated
For the biscuit:
3 yolks egg
5 whites egg
60 g sugar
80 g cornstarch
2 sp cold milk
1 cup rum
25 g cinnamon in dust
Pastry cream is a very versatile cream used in many cake and pastries. It is a thick custard cooked on the stove from milk, eggs, sugar, flour and cornstarch (as thickener). For the cream – boil the milk, sugar, cinnamon and lemon. Remove upon boiling. Beat the eggs and flour. Add the boiling milk. Return to a medium-high heat and whisk until it comes to the boil. Cool with a plastic wrap to prevent a skin from forming.
For the biscuit – beat the yolks with the sugar and milk. Heat and add the cornstarch. Beat the eggwhites until they peak. Add the eggwhites to the mixture. Pour onto baking paper in a linear fashion (approx 2 inches). Place in the oven for 10 minutes. Make a syrup with water, sugar and soak the genoise. Spread the pastry cream and roll. Sprinkle sugar on top and toast in the oven. Serve cold.
Vocab builder:
Empapar – to soak
Almibar – syrup
Almidón – cornstarch
Canela – cinnamon
Rallar – to grate
Regar – to irrigate
Placa - numberplate (you may well wonder how this made it into the vocab)
Harina pastelera – soft flour
Capitulación – capitulation
Rendición – surrender
Virrey – viceroy
Broadband connectivity in the South of Spain obviously felt that I was a little bit ahead of myself by blogging early last October. This is the reason for my one month absence. Hopefully this blog signifies service recommencing as normal.
------------ STOP PRESS "CASA YSLA Y LOS PINONOS" ------------
I have just been on the web to see if I could find a picture of the pastry shop where we had the famous Pionono. Not only did I find a picture, but a lot more about the Pionono. The pastelería is called "Casa Ysla" and is none other than the originator of the Pionono.
The history is amazing... in 1897 Ceferino Isla González (intern to Manuel “el Gallego”) opened his own store on Calle Real, Santa Fe. He was very devoted to the Virgin and wanted to pay homage to Pope Pius who, in 1854 had issued the infallibly defined the "dogma of the immaculate conception" (essentially that Mary was free from original sin). In this way, he decided to create a new pastry. The aim was to not only carry the name of the pope, but also his likeness; cylindrical and somewhat chubby.
In 1916, the King (Rey D. Alfonso XIII), whilst visiting a friend on a nearby farm, ate some Piononos for his afternoon snack. He was so taken by the delicious flavour that gave the title of official providers to the Royal House to Casa Ysla.
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Well amigo just a post or so back you wrote:
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Well I guess the Santa Fe matter is as explained as I am going to get. But I did remember what the other question was.
Blindbowman wrote:
Mrs Oro and I have only been prospecting in Utah on two occasions, a grand total of less than two weeks (combined) and had little luck there, but what pretty country that state is! I am convinced that a good part of the history of Utah is not recorded in our history books. If I had a good lead on that "Lost Potholes" gold mine, I would not hesitate to make another trip there - though that state does have a few rather 'hostile' laws. Anyway sorry for going off on a tangent, my question is were you in Utah before Dillman? What do you think about the Utah connection? Thank you in advance,
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Blindbowman wrote:
Mrs Oro and I have only been prospecting in Utah on two occasions, a grand total of less than two weeks (combined) and had little luck there, but what pretty country that state is! I am convinced that a good part of the history of Utah is not recorded in our history books. If I had a good lead on that "Lost Potholes" gold mine, I would not hesitate to make another trip there - though that state does have a few rather 'hostile' laws. Anyway sorry for going off on a tangent, my question is were you in Utah before Dillman? What do you think about the Utah connection? Thank you in advance,
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......if you realize ... the topic IMHO is wich santa fe are we talking about , there are 3 . the fact we can no longer take as fact that we talking about santa fe NM , we asumed to much ... now say the 1490 date is what the preson was talking about ... the point is we dont know how old the stones are , yet i keep find evidence that says they could be far older then we think they were ...Oroblanco said:
here is the over all question , is there anything on the stones that says they are not as old as 1307 ,,....i didnt find anything so far that says they are not that old . and i did find evidence that dose suport the thoery they could be that old , not saying they are , i just can not prove they are not ...
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no i have not gone to Utah , i located the site useing the stone tablets , before i knew ray dillman had a dvd ...lol ... i posted the luner scale that showed location north and south of the supers , i beleive he would have run across one of the site if he went north , yet if i am he past by a unknown site ...i think ray dillman was a very gifted translator but lack true navigational skills . he got by alright most of the time but this was a little over his head ...IMHO he was a smart man IMHO never less ..
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So are you saying that the Utah connection is a false lead? Or are you saying that it MIGHT be a false lead? Or is it an important connection? Just asking for your OPINION on this, just to clear up your own view on this. Thank you in advance.
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i beleive it is a good site yet there are 7 cibola sites . his appears to be one IMHO . we have only found 2 out of the 7 so far ...we should asume it is a important connection even if it is not untill we under stand the full meaning of his site ....no i would not say that is a faults lead .. because it dose have a histroy .. and we just dont know as much about that histroy as we need tpo to under stand what its value really is ... i would much rather make a good discovery then walk past one .... lol ...IMHO it takes longer to prove a site then it dose to dig it ...
comein up on 4:00 ,,, bed time
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That is MUCH better Joe, thank you! I can see that clearly even without mi glasses! (heh heh 
) Geez I didn't realize it was getting this late, got to hit the hay (work, the bane of the treasure hunter) will be back tomorrow - God willin' and the crick don't rise! 
Oroblanco
) Geez I didn't realize it was getting this late, got to hit the hay (work, the bane of the treasure hunter) will be back tomorrow - God willin' and the crick don't rise! Oroblanco
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what happend to the rest of the horse stone writeing joe ...? are these copys ...?
Hello all... morning here in AZ 
I have tried for an hour to get satelitte pics of Superstition... why isn't there any it goes all blurry, in Apache Junc... I can see into someone's pool.. then ya' scan over to the Sup's and blurrrrr...
Any help, comments...
I'm trying to plan a outing to the Apache Junc. Library, is there anything I can look into for someone or take a pic of?
Thank you,
Janiece
I have tried for an hour to get satelitte pics of Superstition... why isn't there any it goes all blurry, in Apache Junc... I can see into someone's pool.. then ya' scan over to the Sup's and blurrrrr...
Any help, comments...
I'm trying to plan a outing to the Apache Junc. Library, is there anything I can look into for someone or take a pic of?
Thank you,
Janiece
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are you looking for naked people in the pool or or a clear picture of the mts ...lol sats are like cameras they use a infrered beam to focus and in rough elevations it dosent always work as well as we hope ...
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ya i want a close up picture of a mt lion in the wild ....LOL just jokeing ... whats up ?
HaHaHa... don't really care about naked people unless their in my pool.
(now realizing how much I just stepped into)
I'm going to do my best to avoid the mtn. lions, (snakes etc.) thank you very much!
Yes, I do want pics of the Sups and then of Bloody Gulch.
Help?
Janiece
(now realizing how much I just stepped into)
I'm going to do my best to avoid the mtn. lions, (snakes etc.) thank you very much!
Yes, I do want pics of the Sups and then of Bloody Gulch.
Help?
Janiece
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Gossamer said:HaHaHa... don't really care about naked people unless their in my pool.
(now realizing how much I just stepped into)
I'm going to do my best to avoid the mtn. lions, (snakes etc.) thank you very much!
Yes, I do want pics of the Sups and then of Bloody Gulch.
Help?
Janiece
i have been at this for a few years done take this the wrong way but what you hope to find may not be what you find after all the hard work is done . how far did you plan on hikeing into the supers and how long do have to hike ...?
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bb,
Those are the real deal. We were left alone with the Stones to photograph them. When the guy came back in and saw we were handeling them........
I believe I have posted some of those pictures before, and I have many others. In this case, I was only giving Roy something to compare. The cropped picture seemed like the best way to go.
Anyone who want's the 25 pictures we took that day is more than welcome to them. Send me your email addresss and I will get them to you.
Joe Ribaudo
Those are the real deal. We were left alone with the Stones to photograph them. When the guy came back in and saw we were handeling them........
I believe I have posted some of those pictures before, and I have many others. In this case, I was only giving Roy something to compare. The cropped picture seemed like the best way to go.
Anyone who want's the 25 pictures we took that day is more than welcome to them. Send me your email addresss and I will get them to you.
Joe Ribaudo
i have been at this for a few years done take this the wrong way but what you hope to find may not be what you find after all the hard work is done
I have plenty of time, I'm not really looking 'for' anything. Just background on the docu I'm submitting next year. Which way to go... I love the treasure hunters, but just want to look at the damn Mtn. LOL No worries, I took it how you meant it.
BB... love you, but no one thinks like you... I get a headache reading your beautiful/terrible thinking. You have me hooked on the story, but I just want to look around.
Can you help? Can anyone? (Sat pics of Sups and the rest of AZ)
Janiece
I have plenty of time, I'm not really looking 'for' anything. Just background on the docu I'm submitting next year. Which way to go... I love the treasure hunters, but just want to look at the damn Mtn. LOL No worries, I took it how you meant it.
BB... love you, but no one thinks like you... I get a headache reading your beautiful/terrible thinking. You have me hooked on the story, but I just want to look around.
Can you help? Can anyone? (Sat pics of Sups and the rest of AZ)
Janiece
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