South Carolina sheriff refuses to lower flag in honor of Nelson Mandela

[Red James Cash]

Many of us have moved beyond the "I know you are but what am I" stuff.

Now youre all stuck in "I CANT SEE I CANT SEE" mode,mostly by choice.Its easier that way isnt it?If you cant see it you dont have to think about it.

 

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[Old Bookaroo]

Chad:

Ivan salis brought no proof to his assertion Mr. Obama's action (and lack of action) was motivated by race and nothing else. Other than the obvious that Mrs. Thatcher was white and Mr. Mandela was Black.

He ignored the fact that many people don't see Mrs. Thatcher or President Reagan as heroes (put him on the dime to replace FDR; carve his face on Mt. Rushmore!).

To look at race and nothing else and then draw a conclusion - there's a name for that.

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

 

[TheRingFinder]

I would never lower my flag for a man who used terror as a means. He might have changed in later years , which I applaud. Though, he, nor Pope John or any other non-American deserve the respect that is given to our brave men and woman who have given their lives so posters like OB, UM, JB can write their false and mis-leading rants; and not have to worry about torture or execution.
BTW - You lib's also have the right to be racist - it's your own belief and your own call, but you have to live with it.

 

[olroy70]

Chad:

Ivan salis brought no proof to his assertion Mr. Obama's action (and lack of action) was motivated by race and nothing else. Other than the obvious that Mrs. Thatcher was white and Mr. Mandela was Black.

He ignored the fact that many people don't see Mrs. Thatcher or President Reagan as heroes (put him on the dime to replace FDR; carve his face on Mt. Rushmore!).

To look at race and nothing else and then draw a conclusion - there's a name for that.

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

Obvious that it wasnt race. since one is white, and the other is black

 

[Chadeaux]

Many of us have moved beyond the "I know you are but what am I" stuff.

Have a good day.

STILL TRYING TO AVOID THE TRUTH!

Awfully childish there "Bully Buster Ben".

 

[Chadeaux]

Chad:

Ivan salis brought no proof to his assertion Mr. Obama's action (and lack of action) was motivated by race and nothing else. Other than the obvious that Mrs. Thatcher was white and Mr. Mandela was Black.

He ignored the fact that many people don't see Mrs. Thatcher or President Reagan as heroes (put him on the dime to replace FDR; carve his face on Mt. Rushmore!).

To look at race and nothing else and then draw a conclusion - there's a name for that.

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

1. When was Ronald Reagan a terrorist killing innocent people?

2. When was Margaret Thatcher a terrorist killing innocent people?

Mandella went to prison, not because he was black but because he was a TERRORIST who murdered INNOCENTS (people who were not part of the government or part of the problem).

To look at race and nothing else would indeed be foolish.

It's all politics .... that, and Obama did get to speak at Mandella's funeral.

 

[ivan salis]

well maybe only Obama's 1/2 racist --since he is 1/;2 white ---it seems some folks think only whites can be racist , an ideal which in itself is racist .---racism* ( to think that only a white person can do anything or be anything that a black or Asian person can not do or be ) is a form of racism in itself --so if whites can be racist ,so can others.--everyone being equal --we can all be equally good or bad.

mandela --black /man --thatcher -white /woman --we hold these "facts" to be self evident *

so both racism and sexism could be called here --since both were foreign leaders of their counties --thatcher was a US ally - mandela at the time of his arrest did take part in setting up the ANC's armed wing which did bomb civilian targets as part of a terror campaign , he did hang out with known communist and get support from them -- castro's brother(the current ruler of cuba) is coming to the burial

the last time I looked --we the USA as general policy --do not praise and laud terroristic communist leaning leaders

 

[Chadeaux]

Mr Salis makes a good point, and I'll expound on it ... as I'm Native American.

I have brothers who are very very racist - some against white people, some blacks, some Asian ... hell, some of us don't like Indians (no, the other kind of Indians, from India) .

Some hate em all. We're a much smaller minority than the blacks in this country, but we're capable of racism. Blacks are as well.

I guarantee you that any white man who has married or even dated any woman of color (red, yellow, black, etc.) has seen that there is prejudice (racism) from those as well.

"You're fooling yourself if you don't believe it."

 

[Old Bookaroo]

This sounds familiar:

"Among Afrikaners, rumors have persisted that after Mandela dies there will be retaliation against the country’s 9 percent white minority, a 'night of the long knives.'

"A similar myth circulated ahead of the 1994 election that would make Mandela president, during which time some white South Africans stockpiled canned food, built bunkers and prepared for the worst — which never came.

Belinda Van Rhyn, 45, an office worker at a home security firm, said she has heard the rumors that whites will be targeted, and noticed a fresh round of fearmongering on Facebook in the days since Mandela died.

"'You know, I don’t believe that,' she said. 'I think that’s nonsense.'"

Leader, savior, terrorist: How white South Africans remember Nelson Mandela - World News

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

 

[Native Floridian]

NF, list the times revolutionary troops bombed innocent civilians during the Rev War..

There is a big difference between rebels and terrorists.

We will NOT go quietly into the night!

Revolutionary war? Why would we burn our own people out of house and home?

Now if you want to talk about the Civil War - there we could get a list from both sides.

 

[Native Floridian]

I see, terrorists bombing and killing of civilians is okay as long as they eventually win....

We will NOT go quietly into the night!

If a government is murdering people those who stand idle and let it happen are not innocents.


Mandela started with words. A campaign of words. When words didn't work he turned to violence. he is a controversial figure, that's for sure. of course the oppression he faced was real. His government was murdering people based on the color of their skin.


One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

 

[Native Floridian]

I looked it up and JB, you are correct - Bush lowered the flag, I stand corrected on my statement, though i still do not agree with what Bush did either.

THX for being a stand up guy!

 

[Fletch88]

This sounds familiar: "Among Afrikaners, rumors have persisted that after Mandela dies there will be retaliation against the country’s 9 percent white minority, a 'night of the long knives.' "A similar myth circulated ahead of the 1994 election that would make Mandela president, during which time some white South Africans stockpiled canned food, built bunkers and prepared for the worst — which never came. Belinda Van Rhyn, 45, an office worker at a home security firm, said she has heard the rumors that whites will be targeted, and noticed a fresh round of fearmongering on Facebook in the days since Mandela died. "'You know, I don’t believe that,' she said. 'I think that’s nonsense.'" Leader, savior, terrorist: How white South Africans remember Nelson Mandela - World News Good luck to all, ~ The Old Bookaroo

Sounds kind of familiar to our situation here eh Buckaroo?

 

[WilliamBoyd]

Margaret Thatcher was offered a choice.

She could get a flag lowered or be played by Meryl Streep in a movie.

 

[Old Bookaroo]

Fletch88:

Ya think?

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

 

[Native Floridian]

well maybe only Obama's 1/2 racist --since he is 1/;2 white ---it seems some folks think only whites can be racist , an ideal which in itself is racist .---racism* ( to think that only a white person can do anything or be anything that a black or Asian person can not do or be ) is a form of racism in itself --so if whites can be racist ,so can others.--everyone being equal --we can all be equally good or bad.

mandela --black /man --thatcher -white /woman --we hold these "facts" to be self evident *

so both racism and sexism could be called here --since both were foreign leaders of their counties --thatcher was a US ally - mandela at the time of his arrest did take part in setting up the ANC's armed wing which did bomb civilian targets as part of a terror campaign , he did hang out with known communist and get support from them -- castro's brother(the current ruler of cuba) is coming to the burial

the last time I looked --we the USA as general policy --do not praise and laud terroristic communist leaning leaders

Racism is universal. That wasn't being debated here. of all the reasons that Obama could have had for not lowering the flag for Thatcher that race is picked as THE reason is of concern.

Lowering our flag to half mast for foreign dignitaries is a rare occurrence. The last time it happened in our country was in 2005 for Pope John Paul ll. Dozens of world leaders, many of them allies, have died since.

Other non African nations lowering their flags in honor of Mandela include Canada, New Zealand, France, and Norway. None of whom have a black leader. If race plays no role in them honoring Mandela, why is it different for the United States?

Obama paid tribute to Thatcher. He did not attend her funeral. Neither did any of our Ex presidents. 3 ex U.S. Presidents are in South Africa honoring Mandela. Only one of them is black. Why is the black man picked out among them as a racist? Here is why -There are haters ( not you) ironically trying to make this into a race issue when clearly it is not a race issue. Best not to listen to them.

As for racism being universal - maybe start a thread.

 

[thrillathahunt]

One would think that according to the left, Communism is the ONLY cure for racism. This is not surprising considering their relentless eschewing of traditional American values over the last 50 years.

 

[jerseyben]

Communism is the ONLY cure for racism.

WOW!

 

[UncleMatt]

Fox News is reporting the evil commies were defeated by Ronald Reagan in the 1980's.

 

[njal]

barry orders flag's to be lowerd to half staff for Navy Seal

opps look like I got it wrong