South Carolina sheriff refuses to lower flag in honor of Nelson Mandela

[Native Floridian]

Mandela's side won. In fact, the ANC is South Africa's ruling party. During his presidency he fought for racial equality, fought to de-institutionalize apartheid, and fed the needy. He won the Nobel Peace Prize. Yet he is categorized by critics as a terrorist? As well as a socialist or communist?

 

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[olroy70]

Treasure Hunter:

Why was he a terrorist and not a revolutionary? There are countless Threads here about resisting an oppressive government by any means necessary. Is that not what he did?

Seems to me our own founding Fathers would have been rebels - if they'd lost the war.

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

they didnt.................what didja do in canada while I was in nam?

 

[olroy70]

Mandela's side won. In fact, the ANC is South Africa's ruling party. During his presidency he fought for racial equality, fought to de-institutionalize apartheid, and fed the needy. He won the Nobel Peace Prize. Yet he is categorized by critics as a terrorist? As well as a socialist or communist?

Only because he was.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Mandela's side won. In fact, the ANC is South Africa's ruling party. During his presidency he fought for racial equality, fought to de-institutionalize apartheid, and fed the needy. He won the Nobel Peace Prize. Yet he is categorized by critics as a terrorist? As well as a socialist or communist?

Nobel peace prize means nothing; they give it to anyone. Remember Hitler was nominated and they actually gave it to bo.

What do you call people who place bombs in public stores, buses and street cornors? We call them terrorists.

African National Congress has been closely aligned for decades with the South African Communist Party. Members of both organizations studied and received military training in the Soviet Union.*

For years, the U.S. labeled the ANC a terrorist group because it carried out attacks against civilian targets in South Africa. And it was Mandela himself who established the ANC's armed wing in the early 1960s before he was imprisoned.


http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/...dents-mandela-wasnt-always-admired-in-the-u-s

We will NOT go quietly into the night!

 

[Dave44]

I see alot of lefty sites, some condemn him for not being Communist enough, some just say he was a brilliant Socialist.. What do you do?


Mandela?s Economic Legacy Threatened by S. Africa Inequality - Bloomberg
“Only a Mandela could have realigned the ANC’s economic policy from the mindset of the 1950s, with the development state, with socialism, with nationalization, to the world of the 1990s and beyond,” Robert Schrire, a politics professor at the University of Cape Town, said in an interview. “He recognized that for the poor to prosper, the rich had to feel they had a future in the country.”
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Yet Mandela’s legacy of economic stability is beginning to come under attack as the country fails to slash unemployment and reduce inequality. The jobless rate remains 24.7 percent, while average earnings for black households are a sixth of their white counterparts. The ANC’s youth wing last year waged a campaign for the nationalization of banks and mines, the very policies ditched by Mandela in 1994, and poor communities have staged a series of protests against a lack of housing and basic services.
Photographer: Dean Hutton/Bloomberg Mourners gather outside the home of former South African President Nelson Mandela in... Read More

The rand has plunged 19 percent against the dollar this year, the worst performer of 16 major currencies tracked by Bloomberg, and was trading at 10.4751 as of 1:32 p.m. in Johannesburg today."

I have said before, Why trade liberty for definite misery? The French had a revolution too, The pretense was freedom and liberty, the result was blood and terror. There was no liberty and freedom except for the leaders.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

OB, I guess revolutionary is determined by POV. To the English our forefathers defeated they were most certainly rebels. Today they would be branded terrorists.

NF, list the times revolutionary troops bombed innocent civilians during the Rev War..

There is a big difference between rebels and terrorists.

We will NOT go quietly into the night!

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I see, terrorists bombing and killing of civilians is okay as long as they eventually win....

We will NOT go quietly into the night!

 

[Dave44]

I see, terrorists bombing and killing of civilians is okay as long as they eventually win....

We will NOT go quietly into the night!

History has shown, that if you are on the left, the ends justify the means. How many countries, and how many millions, had to give their lives for the glory of the all powerful state. 150 Million this century?

 

[Red James Cash]

What do you call people who place bombs in public stores, buses and street cornors? We call them terrorists

You could call them FBI patsies toosad but true.

 

[TheRingFinder]

Article states flag was lowered by GWB for Pope John Paul.

I looked it up and JB, you are correct - Bush lowered the flag, I stand corrected on my statement, though i still do not agree with what Bush did either.

 

[Chadeaux]

Treasure Hunter:

Why was he a terrorist and not a revolutionary? There are countless Threads here about resisting an oppressive government by any means necessary. Is that not what he did?

Seems to me our own founding Fathers would have been rebels - if they'd lost the war.

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

In Mandella's case, it wasn't resistance that made him a terrorist --- nope, the killing of civilians though that is a very different matter than peaceful resistance.

 

[Chadeaux]

Interesting read ... skip down to "What about half staff to honor other citizens?"

When to fly the flag at half staff (mast)

 

[ivan salis]

its the presidents call when to honor foreign folks by calling for the lowering of the flag at half mast --that said THACHER the leader of Britain was an ally with the USA ,and should have been honored , by not honoring her and honoring MANDELA -- Obama dis's a white woman and honors a black man --classic racist type behavior , and with MANDELA being supported in the past by commies , Obama honoring him shows a strong commie left leaning support , that a American president shouldn't support in most Americans point of view.

 

[jerseyben]

classic racist type behavior

Wow...

 

[Fletch88]

Wow...

Double wow! Unbelievable what I've read in thread not just the one quoted JB.

 

[ivan salis]

what black folks can't be racist and sexist too? -- IF A "ALL" WHITE PRESIDENT HAD HONORED THATCHER YET NOT HONORED MANDELA -- LOTS OF FOLKS WOULD YELL "RACIST"-- IF THE SHOE FITS ONE FOOT , IT FITS THE OTHER JUST AS WELL.

CLASSICAL RACIST/ SEXIST BEHAVIOR IS TO HONOR ONE RACE/SEX OVER OTHERS

SADLY all races can be "racist" and all men and women can be "sexist" as well --its not limited to white males only as many seem to think it is.

 

[Chadeaux]

Wow...

wow wow wow!!! Ben, you really don't see that as racist? What if Bush had snubbed Mandella's funeral, after he went to Margaret Thatcher's? You guys would be all over that ...

 

[jerseyben]

wow wow wow!!! Ben, you really don't see that as racist? What if Bush had snubbed Mandella's funeral, after he went to Margaret Thatcher's? You guys would be all over that ...

I see many things as racist... That is not one of them.

YOU GUYS brought the racist stuff into the discussion. See post #7.

 

[Chadeaux]

I see many things as racist... That is not one of them.

YOU GUYS brought the racist stuff into the discussion. See post #7.

No, OBAMA brought racism into the discussion by his actions.

You and your buds are just trying to avoid the truth ... AGAIN.

 

[jerseyben]

No, OBAMA brought racism into the discussion by his actions.

You and your buds are just trying to avoid the truth ... AGAIN.

Many of us have moved beyond the "I know you are but what am I" stuff.

Have a good day.