Ship Bell Found

[ARC]

Was it not Father Kino who had bells made for his missions, he even Cast some because the orders were lost at sea? Still the Bell could be of the ship that almost captured Drake.

I think anything is possible.

Anyway... now that break for a bit... bbl.

Keep hunting peeps.

 

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[BillA]

relax, it will come, sometimes I use context to ease out a memory

Bill

 

[sailaway]

This may give a heading to bells origin. One of the bells from the Cathedral in Seville Spain.


one company that may identify and restore the bell is:
http://www.campanasermec.org/campanas-de-bronce/

 

[BillA]

great link sail
so we are investigating 'cenefas' (borders in spanish), unfortunately my searching ability in spanish is terrible (limited vocabulary)

Bill

edit: the co seem to be involved with church bells, different adornment? (most shown are 'modern')
look at Restauración de Campanas de Bronce for some borders

edit 2: more here than desired https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmette
probably need to pick a time period and geographic area for the bell foundry
(a BIG spittoon, inverted ?)

 

[BillA]

ARC, this your target?
Blagovest Bells– 'Santa Maria bell' auction and seizure
looking for something on this bell

Bill

edit: so which one? -> now the recovery location is of prime importance, and the missing pieces diligently searched for

edit 2: other old bell https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smar...ipwreck-from-famed-explorers-fleet-180958425/ from 1498

and https://www.tampabayhistorycenter.org/treasure-seekers/ 17th century

and https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/last-days-blackbeard-180949440/ stamped 1705

and https://www.mysticseaport.org/news/...set-for-death-in-the-ice-exhibition-saturday/ from 1845

discussion of scanning a bell for the date https://warwick.ac.uk/newsandevents...chaeologists_identify_rare_145ghost_coin1461/

will stop now, the Santa Maria bell needs investigation

 

[xaos]

Bart, that does look close.

Another 2 hours of research down. heh

This thing is pissing me off now.

I blame the OP! wont remove crust....humpph!

keel haul in order.

 

[BillA]

palmettos anyone ?



my impression is a pretty typical border decoration
on another tack, none of Columbus' ships had a bell at all

Bill

 

[sailaway]

For those who would like to see the Inventory of Bells by maker in Spain here you go:
Inventari de fonedors de campanes

This makes it hard to uncover the maker of this bell without an Expert
However some where on the bell should be the name or mark of the founder, if it is on the part recovered it will prove the date the bell was commissioned.

 

[ARC]

Sheesh where is the OP ?

I forgot to ask the size last time he was on.

 

[BillA]

a pool?
I want 12" high x 10" dia

Bill

 

[sailaway]

In the inventories of bells are the references of a series of founders and installers of bells that have worked in the last centuries in the Valencian Community and other territories of Spain. The inventory is in process of realization: consequently the lack of data on a specific name does not mean the current absence of bells produced or installed by him. It is therefore an open inventory, in which only the bells signed or easy to attribute are listed.

What we have here is not a common bell, but highly decorated.
Here are the possible makers:
ROCA II, PERE (ROCAFORT DE QUERALT) (1586) existing bells 0 - lost bells 3
GONZÁLEZ RUBALCABA, FRANCISCO (1587) existing bells 0 - lost bells 2
GERARDO, JUAN (SEVILLA) (1663) existing bells 0 - lost bells 1
JANUARY, RAFEL (1641 -1642) existing bells 2 - lost bells 1
FENODI, ANTONI (1509 -1539) existing bells 3 - lost bells 1
DE SAUTO, BALTASAR (1572 -1587) existing bells 2 - lost bells 1
BRACON, JUAN DE (1585 -1588) existing bells 1 - lost bells 1
BARBERÍ, H. DE E. (OLOT) ( 1647 -1954) existing bells 25 - lost bells 2
BALLE, MIQUEL HIERONI(1596) existing bells 0 - lost bells 1
ARMANYA, ARNAU AND JOSEP (1647) existing bells 0 - lost bells 1
VIELSA, MIQUEL DE (1620ca -1631) existing bells 4 - lost bells 1

 

[ARC]

 

[BillA]

ok, try the A
when was the letter made that way?

Bill

edit: 14" high seems better

 

[ARC]

That is a Latin A... it has been that way for centuries.

 

[ARC]

Ddi you not see the picture I posted earlier ?

 

[BillA]

the pic shows no broken edge, we do need more to work with
initially paid little import to the pic as I don't comment on things I know nothing about

Bill

 

[ivan salis]

FARAFAN ...could be? I seem to recall seeing that as a ships name somewhere...

 

[ivan salis]

on the back side the Ao symbol is a masonic one or church one -- in masonic its "ANNO ORDINIS" YEAR OF THE ORDER ..SUNTRACT 1118 FROM CURRENT YEAR ---IN CHURCH TERMS ITS "YEAR OF OUR LORD" USE CURRENT DATE --A YEAR WOULD TYPICALLY FOLLOW THE Ao mark if it was a JESUIT church bell it would have its name and date ..like so (St) …..AFAN..L ...Ao (1654)

 

[ARC]

Ivan !

Bout time you joined us... was wondering when you were gonna "pipe in".

Yes.. The Anno.

I researched that name... wrong area for that period.

Anyway,... was just booting up maps a bit ago and stopped... I realized that I am doing all this and the OP has not even bothered to check back in etc.

No further posts and just dropped off thread... been days... so.... UNTIL I see more... I am done.

 

[ARC]

Its a ships bell... not church BTW... IMO anyway.