Season 4

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So why aren't they digging in the money pit? Isn't this just some sort of secondary location? Did I miss something? I skipped seasons 2 and 3 and only started watching again because I saw they're actually digging now.

 

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[Charlie P. (NY)]

No one knows where it was. If it was.

 

[Robot]

Not Necessarily "No One"

No one knows where it was. If it was.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Oh, yeah, that helps.

It's somewhere between 228 light years away and Canada.

 

[gemee]

Just thought I would add for people who want to see the cross

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To see the interview with the descendants

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x...eason-3-episode-13-secrets-and-revelations_tv

Scroll through until 26 mins

Not old. The bale on it says 20th century.

 

[rabidus]

Not old. The bale on it says 20th century.

Can you elaborate? Would really like to learn more about what you're seeing.

 

[Real of Tayopa]

not really needed, just don't open unwanted posters.HNC

 

[Roadhse2]

Can you elaborate? Would really like to learn more about what you're seeing.

The loop at the top for a chain, leather strip, etc. to hang the cross is not how they were done. This one is soldered/brazed on...

It could have been added later I suppose...but if a true artifact passed down through family, not likely anyone would modify it...and essentially ruin it.

JMO

 

[Robot]

Oh I Think I Can Get A Little Closer Than That!..."Pin Pointing" Oak Island Markers!

Oh, yeah, that helps.

It's somewhere between 228 light years away and Canada.

For Even on a Night Like This...Many Years Ago...It Was Said!

That Wise Men from the East, with the help of a Celestial Star..."Pin Pointed" in the Middle East, in a Small Town called Bethlehem, in a Manger with the location of a Small Child!

Merry Christmas to All and to All a Good Night!

 

[logical-X]

I just joined this PM, so go easy. I am just interested in the logic of the searchers actions. I have read this thread, waiting for a comment about the core at the vault. The concrete seems to me to be an obvious (what!). How did they possibly conclude, from the wood, that they were wrong about the vault? It looks like the hole is their drill hole but it is too big to be the core hole. If they are possibly wrong about their depth calculations (going from the well drill to the oscillator), they may have stopped short of the vault. What say you?

 

[swiftfan]

Yeah the cross looks more modern to me. But I'm not an expert.

 

[gazzahk]

Yeah the cross looks more modern to me. But I'm not an expert.

Merry Christmas to all.. Hope everyone has a great day

Yep so some others have speculated... Personally I have very strong doubts about people aging jewelry from a low quality image.. Still everyone is entitled to their opinion. From all my looking I cannot find anything similar on the net either old or modern.

Once again I would point to this article The Blockhouse Blog - The Oak Island Compendium that offers supporting evidence to the sisters story.

I would again say that it seems very difficult to dismiss what the descendants have said as a lie (which it would have to be for the cross to be 20th Century given their story of how they received it and their claim to have had the age assessed by more then 1 jeweler)

There is certainly sufficient evidence to support further investigation by the Laginas. They seemed to simply have ignored it. For example the claim that gold coins exist. These would be easy to date.

Everyone is entitled to their view of this story. Mine is the claim seems to have enough supporting evidence and the women seem to have sufficient credibility to justify further investigation before dismissing this as without merit.

I also wonder why the brothers have never mentioned any of the other evidence raised. ie the three old chests found in the swamp...

 

[gazzahk]

I just joined this PM, so go easy. I am just interested in the logic of the searchers actions. I have read this thread, waiting for a comment about the core at the vault. The concrete seems to me to be an obvious (what!). How did they possibly conclude, from the wood, that they were wrong about the vault? It looks like the hole is their drill hole but it is too big to be the core hole. If they are possibly wrong about their depth calculations (going from the well drill to the oscillator), they may have stopped short of the vault. What say you?

Hi Logical.. Merry Christmas and welcome to the forum and the discussion.

I am not sure at how a core sample is gained. The drill I would imagine drills the outside and the core is the middle (inside the drill) so it would be much smaller then the drill hole (juts guessing here).

 

[logical-X]

Hi gazzahk and Merry Christmas to you,
As I saw it two years ago (and reviewed recently), the coring bit is about 4" in diameter and the core looked about 3" in diameter. The coring bit is intended to make as small a hole as is practical.
The hole in the wood brought up at Valley 3 looked like 6" in diameter or larger. I see that as the drill size they used to get down to about 140' before they added the coring bit.
I can only come up with two possibilities for what I have seen relating to the vault. If the wood that we recently saw come out of the valley 3 dig is part of the vault, where is the CONCRETE? I did not see any and did not hear anything about concrete. I see no reason why any searcher/caver would put a slab of concrete 7" or 8" thick on top of his horizontal tunnel, or how even. I have not heard or seen any reference to concrete on Oak Island, relative to tunnels, in the four seasons it has been on except for the vault. So, I don't believe any slab of concrete, found at about 140', can be searcher material.
My two possibilities are 1) the vault is still down in valley 3 or 2) the core from two years ago was a hoax. I wonder if they are so dense as to not think about the fact that the most important part of the core was the CONCRETE and say so immediately after seeing the circular saw marks on wood. I did not hear any comment about concrete. They seemed to be very quick to accept that there was no vault. My first thought as I watched was, where is the concrete? I would like to find some reasonable explanation, if I'm wrong.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

For Even on a Night Like This...Many Years Ago...It Was Said!

That Wise Men from the East, with the help of a Celestial Star..."Pin Pointed" in the Middle East, in a Small Town called Bethlehem, in a Manger with the location of a Small Child!

Merry Christmas to All and to All a Good Night!

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Merry Christmas to you as well.


But I'll still bite. The magi are only mentioned in Matthew. Luke and Mark don't mention them. And they STILL had to stop and ask Herod for directions.

My wife says this is the last reported time a man asked directions.

And they missed the whole manger scene, which would have only lasted a few days. They eventually visited Jesus in His house.

 

[gazzahk]

The loop at the top for a chain... It could have been added later I suppose...

I tend to agree. It looks different from the rest of the cross. They claim the cross was beaten not pressed or molded. The ring does not look beaten. It does look a different color (hard to tell with low resolution). It easily could have been added by someone the cross had been passed to over the last 300 years. Maybe one of the people whos hands the cross was passed through decided they wanted to wear it.

 

[Singlestack Wonder]

Hi gazzahk and Merry Christmas to you,
As I saw it two years ago (and reviewed recently), the coring bit is about 4" in diameter and the core looked about 3" in diameter. The coring bit is intended to make as small a hole as is practical.
The hole in the wood brought up at Valley 3 looked like 6" in diameter or larger. I see that as the drill size they used to get down to about 140' before they added the coring bit.
I can only come up with two possibilities for what I have seen relating to the vault. If the wood that we recently saw come out of the valley 3 dig is part of the vault, where is the CONCRETE? I did not see any and did not hear anything about concrete. I see no reason why any searcher/caver would put a slab of concrete 7" or 8" thick on top of his horizontal tunnel, or how even. I have not heard or seen any reference to concrete on Oak Island, relative to tunnels, in the four seasons it has been on except for the vault. So, I don't believe any slab of concrete, found at about 140', can be searcher material.
My two possibilities are 1) the vault is still down in valley 3 or 2) the core from two years ago was a hoax. I wonder if they are so dense as to not think about the fact that the most important part of the core was the CONCRETE and say so immediately after seeing the circular saw marks on wood. I did not hear any comment about concrete. They seemed to be very quick to accept that there was no vault. My first thought as I watched was, where is the concrete? I would like to find some reasonable explanation, if I'm wrong.

With the so called money pit having been dug as deep as 235 feet thru the years, all that is being found is debris from previous digs. No vault has ever existed there...only stories of one in attempts to lure investors...

 

[Raparee]

Once again I would point to this article The Blockhouse Blog - The Oak Island Compendium that offers supporting evidence to the sisters story.

I'd like to reiterate that the blog you link to offers absolutely no evidence of any kind.

 

[captjackny]

For everyone complaining about the show, I think it's important to understand what they're doing.

The Lagina's put some of their money up front to partner with Blankenship etc. sure. But they never had any intention of spending millions of their own money to dig up the island. That would have to come from somewhere else. A reality show. Of course, no show will give them enough money unless they could prove they can build an audience, so we get a short season 1. Then a bit more in season 2 and 3, ever increasing ratings to eventually becoming the #1 show on Tuesdays.

Now, they not only have the ratings they need but they are also generating enormous interest in Nova Scotia and Oak Island, so the government is also handing them cash to drive tourism. Voila, they now have enough money to do some serious digging. The exact thing that most wanted them to do since season 1.

So why do we get so much filler and kooks showing up with their wacky conspiracy theories? To drive the ratings aspect. A large portion of viewers are likely the Ancient Aliens crowd or Hunting Aliens or whatever it is. Also, some of the others like Zena Halpern are brought on to provide filler, alternative theories. Exactly why we come to these forums, to listen to theories.

The bounce around from project to project so much due to editing. The filming is all done over a couple of months in the Summer. Also, they've stated many times that they need to get permits after finding anything new like the "hatch", which take a few weeks to get. So they bounce to something else for a while. Take a trip to Scotland, bring a metal detecting dude up from Florida etc.

Ultimately, these guys are smart. They're doing exactly what most interested in the island want. A surgical approach to exploring the various theories. They just found another way to pay for the enormous cost. Oscillators aren't cheap!

Do they appear to be bumbling a bit? Sure, they aren't experts. Some of them are real mistakes. Some of it is editing.

Do they fully explore every opportunity? Perhaps not. Dating the cross from the sisters seems like an obvious step. But perhaps they did off camera or perhaps it was a clear fake and they decided to just leave it at that instead of exposing a couple of old ladies as frauds.

They certainly seem to have demonstrated that they're committed to finding real answers if it's possible and respecting everyone involved past and present, while also following all of the government's requirements.

I wish they wouldn't do BS stuff like tease that they found the 90 foot stone just to end up exploring the basement of a typical Halifax building. But that's the deal they had to make with the producers to get the funding for that massive equipment, I'll take it.

I was on the Island as a kid in the 80's and it was a mess. Old equipment everywhere. Place looked like a dump. At least the Lagina's are trying to find answers while respecting the place.

I don't think they'll ever find anything but more questions but as someone who's been fascinated with the story and history for most of my life, I'm glad they're trying and have found a way to make it financially feasible.

I've read all 75 pages of the previous thread and all of this one. I love the theories and banter as well as occasionally learning something new that is actually documented as proof. Please keep it up, all of you. But since about half of it is just bashing the Lagina's or the show, I felt I had to get my thoughts out there.

Cheers!

Rab

Probably the best post I've seen on this forum.

 

[logical-X]

I was referring to the Season 2, 140' core that had [ clay-- 7" slab of concrete-- 7" of horizontal grain wood and about two feet of vertical grain of wood. What searcher would build a tunnel and put a slab of concrete on top, and how would he put it on top of his tunnel?