Season "3" of Curse of Oak Island

Hi Everyone,

I have been looking for a decent active forum that has been openly discussing Oak Island and there seems to be enough intelligent individuals active here so I'd like to share a few opinions.

I have read through majority of this thread to try and get a grasp on where you guys are at and wanted to make sure that my comments didn't sound too repetative.

First, lets talk about our favourite Tv Series about Oak Island (it wins by default, personally I think kids with a camcorder could do a better job).

I do watch every episode, and am let down every time. I think this forum has started to make clear the real intentions of this show and it is very disappointing. It seems as though the only real intention of the Brothers is too stir up enough unconfirmed theories and dig in enough useless places to keep people watching, and profiting by the commercial time. As much as I have to give them credit for this method to make money it is insulting to every true treasure enthusiast. And lets be honest, the most annoying thing about this show is that stupid narrator with all his hypothetical comments.

I understand that the most tasking and time consuming job would be to properly dig up the money pit, personally I would be happy to watch this show if it was solely based on this alone, isn't that the main idea of this whole legend? I would also be fine if we got about 15-20 minutes each episode updating on the status of the money pit while the rest is filled with exploring other theories and digging in random places. They could even save the best part for last to make sure people watching real time have to suffer through all the commercials (i just fast forward after its been recorded).

Now onto some theory comments,

I find it interesting that there is so much debate about who buried the treasure or why they buried the treasure, all because no treasure has yet been identified. Personally I would like to save the whole "who did it" once we have recovered the hidden artifacts (treasure) and can properly analyze it. What we need to be discussing is how are we going to get to the bottom of this?

Everyone is focused on the end goal and takes too much of a direct approach. You need to think about how elaborate this pit is and not just focus on digging down, that has been the problem with every attempt to date. What we need to think about is how was this pit built in the first place, we need to dig up this hole as if we are the one's building it from the start. If you are going to incorporate flood tunnels you need to properly secure and block off the area first before you can dig them. This pit needs to be dismantled step by step and not just hacked at. I cringe at the thought of when people drill hard metal bits into the ground blindly, what if that pierces through a unique artifact? It also upsets me when people remove all the water sealing levels and then leave water sitting there for years, again you could destroy valuable artifacts if you allow the water to reach the sealed chamber. How are these techniques still allowed today?! I like to think that if there really was a stone after the 9 layers it read something like "stop drilling or you will ruin the prize". It is also likely the reason that it's been said that after drilling past the 9 "softer" layers they hit a harder substance, likely protecting whatever is concealed.

Some people have said that the Money Pit is just a distraction or that why would someone create something so difficult to dig back up and recover later. My opinion on this is that it is far too elaborate to be just a distraction. It is much more likely to find a strange looking stone and dig ten feet down to recover an undefended treasure. Something of extreme value wouldn't be put in such a simple place, plus you would have to ensure that natural erosion or climate change wouldn't bring the treasure to surface. And maybe it was never intended to be recovered by those that buried it. Perhaps those that created it also knew of a more simpler, or proper way to recover it without much effort. The reason it is so deep could also be for symbolical reasons (like the 9 layers) or just to keep it safe for a long time to come, boys with shovels can easily dig 20 feet, but it takes much more to get as far as is necessary.

I welcome your opinion to these thoughts and encourage you all to stay focused on the real point of interest, lets get to the bottom of the Money Pit FIRST and then talk about other ideas.
 

The article hypothesizes that this was built in the 1700s. The dating of the eel grass is 13 or 1400s and the coconut fibers of a similar date therefore the explanation is not consistent with the dating. This is why I referred to the theory as silly. In order for the theory to be correct this would of had to been built back in 1400s.
 

welcome Schlechter :thumbsup:
 

"The article hypothesizes that this was built in the 1700s. The dating of the eel grass is 13 or 1400s and the coconut fibers of a similar date therefore the explanation is not consistent with the dating. This is why I referred to the theory as silly. In order for the theory to be correct this would of had to been built back in 1400s."

Yes it does...or as Loki has said about the coconut fibers, the 1100's

I still contend that the fibers themselves may be that old and used many times as packing materials until the finally ended up in the box drain area....Loki says no, because wayfarers would not reuse these materials for so long. But since the fibers themselves were a commodity item (Nothing is free!) they could have traveled the world many times in many different ships holds and reused at each port of call to repack other items to ship. Why would they dispose of the fibers after just a voyage or two? Especially when the further from a port where new fibers were available, the more costly they would become...Once again Loki says no, they would be to degraded to use....BUT, as we have seen on the show, 900 years later, the ones retrieved are NOT to degraded to pick up in a clump, pulled apart by individual fibers and tested...and I would bet dried they could STILL be used for packing cargo.

Edit to add: Loki has also pointed out that no sailors would use old line, rope, or hawsers...true...but those were made of coconut fibers that could have been converted to packing material use when the uesfulness as a line or rope was over and the ship rerigged... this stuff was not free or cheap to move to different ports, so they would reuse them in whatever way they could until they literally were just dust..IMO

So that theory of them not lasting hundreds of years as packing material doesnt work for me...and then at some point being buried as a filtering material or even washed up after floating from a shipwreck or from a storm surge..

One other thing...years ago i worked as a warehouse man..shipping and receiving...some days we would have a hundred pallet loads of materials shipped in small boxes with the part and packing peanuts....and also sent out many pallet loads a day of parts packed in peanuts...did we toss out any peanuts? Nope...they were all reused as they cost money...same thing
 

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"This pit needs to be dismantled step by step"

Well...a little research will show that it has been....many times... and to the extent that they don't know where the original money pit is even located anymore...

That is why they concentrate on the 10x bore hole so much, drilled in the early 1970's...because they have no way to locate the money pit itself...10x was never meant as a 'treasure hole', but as a way to try to locate an entrance into the money pit via a tunnel. Which was not found... All just a distraction as nothing was ever found in the natural vault at the bottom of 10x either..Dan B is shown going down the borehole when it was still just a 26 inch pipe to the surface by cable and harness and hardhat...later, mid 70's, others had already dived into the vault, when it flooded, over 10 times total reported, with nothing found.
 

We can shoot holes in the show all day. It's like watching football, everyone wants to believe it's their team who hid some forgotten treasure should one ever be found, as if they would receive a share. Who goes to all the trouble to hide a treasure 100+ feet down then leaves their tools hanging in a tree over the covered hole? Who uses a metal detector when they could use ground penetrating radar? Where are the archaeologists? Were it not for all the advertising dollars from the shows sponsors I would say these guys were terrible investors, so I keep watching to see how long it takes them to realize it or 'discover' something.
 

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Personally I like watching the show...don't have a pet theory as to who may have put something on the island...or even that anyone did.

But i do like to reseach any factual information as to what has been done already on the island, timelines etc...try to pick out the theories from known facts..

And also because I am a symetrical kind of guy...if something doesnt line up....well then it doesn't work

My wife is a research librarian at a college...so i am blaming her!
 

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Icewing said:
We can shoot holes in the show all day. It's like watching football, everyone wants to believe it's their team who hid some forgotten treasure should one ever be found, as if they would receive a share. Who goes to all the trouble to hide a treasure 100+ feet down then leaves their tools hanging in a tree over the covered hole? Who uses a metal detector when they could use ground penetrating radar? Where are the archaeologists? Were it not for all the advertising dollars from the shows sponsors I would say these guys were terrible investors, so I keep watching to see how long it takes them to realize it or 'discover' something.
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You are right... But discussing the theories is part of the fun of watching a show like this....

In order for a treasure to be there someone must of put it there. So theorizing over who did it is part of the adventure of looking for it.

Roadhse2 - Even if you are correct re reusing the coconut fibers that does not hold for the eel grass. No one was using 400 year old eel grass... The evidence seems to suggest this structure was built pre the 1400s so the theories on who built it and why need to be consistent with those construction dates.

It is a real shame that none of the timber from the earliest dam is still around...

The last show after the dating of the eel grass the brothers mentioned that Dans theory was the Portuguese built it...

I am glad to see the short for the next episode showing them drilling in the actual (hypothesized) pit location. This is the only way they will ever answer the mystery really...
 

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Schlechter said:
I cringe at the thought of when people drill hard metal bits into the ground blindly, what if that pierces through a unique artifact?......
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Yep.. It would be a shame if it was the Arc of the Covent and the brothers smash it to bits with a drill bit.....
 

I believe that investing further into 10X is a complete waste of time, correct me if I am wrong but 10X was meant to try and either intercept or get around the flood tunnels (by encasing it in steel and effectively blocking it). Why would this tunnel have been dug if they had already managed to get to the bottom of the money pit? The haven't. The reason the technique of just digging everywhere to try and intersect the flood tunnels is again the wrong idea, because that makes no sense on how this pit would have been originally created. They don't know how many flood tunnels there are or exactly what direction or depth they all travel at because they are just hacking at the ground randomly.

I have never seen anything mention that they had successfully reached the bottom of the money pit, every attempt has failed once the water flooded. I know that Dunfield did massive excavations to try and block off the flood tunnels but was not successful. I believe he ran out of funding to successfully get deep enough without the flood tunnels interrupting or maybe he just realised that his methods were ineffective like everyone else's. I have never seen the words "successfully dug to the bottom of the money pit".

If I am wrong please provide links.

I know that the exact location of the money pit has been somewhat lost, why they never bothered to mark the significant spot is beyond me, but shouldn't the remnants of the Hedden Shaft be the most accurate marker? Why have we given up on trying to locate the most important point of interest?
 

It's an island, how far do they have to dig for it to be the natural water table and not a 'flood tunnel' at all?
 

Welcome to the official website of the owners of Oak Island and the 220 year treasure hunt mystery.
This may explain a little bit about why the need to keep up the suspense with no real findings...

"Oak Island is located on the south shore of Nova Scotia and the majority property interest is held by Oak Island Tours Inc.
A partnership between Dan Blankenship, Rick and Marty Lagina, Craig Tester and Alan J. Kostrzewa that started in 2007."

Homepage here....https://www.oakislandtours.ca/explore.html
 

Still looking into the longevity of harvested eel grass...and it was used for many things over the centuries, including insulation AND packing...I will post better links when i find them

I did find this tidbit...though I cannot copy and paste as it is on a booksellers site. the book itself is $187.50 in E book form...so i wont be buying that one, just not that interested in eel grass!

Here is what it says..any spelling mistakes are mine.

"In 2007, during the restoration of the medieval castle Waardenburg on the river Waal, a layer of eel grass has been revealed in between the boards of one of the ceilings of the castle...it looked like it was dryed yesterday"

The castle itself was built in the 13th century...

"The precise construction date of medieval castles is seldom known yet in this case, Waardenburg is an exception. On 2nd August 1265, Count Otto II of Guelders pledged the manor of Waardenburg to the knight Rudolph de Cock. Knight Rudolph first built a wooden tower, which was soon replaced by a stone tower. His son and grandson turned the keep into a round castle with three connecting wings, a circular wall, towers, fortified bailey and a moat."

Waardenburg Castle, Waardenburg, Netherlands - SpottingHistory.com

While this doesn't prove the eel grass at Oak Island would be the same...it does show that eel grass in general CAN last quite some time
 

Schlechter said:
I have never seen anything mention that they had successfully reached the bottom of the money pit, every attempt has failed once the water flooded.
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Yep no one has reached the bottom. This diagram gives a pretty good summary of what has been done..
The pit has only been dug to 134 feet. Whereas drilling allegedly found a seven-foot deep cement vault at 153 feet and an iron barrier at 171 feet.
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Roadhse2 said:
"The article hypothesizes that this was built in the 1700s. The dating of the eel grass is 13 or 1400s and the coconut fibers of a similar date therefore the explanation is not consistent with the dating. This is why I referred to the theory as silly. In order for the theory to be correct this would of had to been built back in 1400s."

Yes it does...or as Loki has said about the coconut fibers, the 1100's

I still contend that the fibers themselves may be that old and used many times as packing materials until the finally ended up in the box drain area....Loki says no, because wayfarers would not reuse these materials for so long. But since the fibers themselves were a commodity item (Nothing is free!) they could have traveled the world many times in many different ships holds and reused at each port of call to repack other items to ship. Why would they dispose of the fibers after just a voyage or two? Especially when the further from a port where new fibers were available, the more costly they would become...Once again Loki says no, they would be to degraded to use....BUT, as we have seen on the show, 900 years later, the ones retrieved are NOT to degraded to pick up in a clump, pulled apart by individual fibers and tested...and I would bet dried they could STILL be used for packing cargo.

Edit to add: Loki has also pointed out that no sailors would use old line, rope, or hawsers...true...but those were made of coconut fibers that could have been converted to packing material use when the uesfulness as a line or rope was over and the ship rerigged... this stuff was not free or cheap to move to different ports, so they would reuse them in whatever way they could until they literally were just dust..IMO

So that theory of them not lasting hundreds of years as packing material doesnt work for me...and then at some point being buried as a filtering material or even washed up after floating from a shipwreck or from a storm surge..

One other thing...years ago i worked as a warehouse man..shipping and receiving...some days we would have a hundred pallet loads of materials shipped in small boxes with the part and packing peanuts....and also sent out many pallet loads a day of parts packed in peanuts...did we toss out any peanuts? Nope...they were all reused as they cost money...same thing
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Actually the last dating of the c. fibres was to the 14th century. In my opinion it is ridiculous to think that anybody would use centuries old vegetable matter for packing material, and then to think that it was also made from old rope. Remember, for one thing we are talking about the wealthiest of all the Catholic orders. And then to use it again as some kind of filter, LOL.
No Rd, when Jacques de Molay left Cyprus for France with some ten vessels and about 300 men (where coir rope and c. fibre packing was readily available), they had new coir rope and new packing material.
Once more I will mention that several Knights Templar vessels left Cyprus in 1307, landing in France that same year at a location (La Rochelle) where there were other Templar ships. Within a couple of months all of these ships disappeared.
Its not styrofoam peanuts that last forever Rd, your talking apples and oranges as another poster has told me a couple of times.
Oh, one more thing, I never said the Templars buried anything on Oak Island, only that they passed through on their way to New Ross.

Another point I would like to clear up is the comment that a vessel sailing the nice calm Mediterranean wouldn't be capable of ocean travel. I live and sail on the Great Lakes, and I can tell you that any ship that can safely traverse these inland seas can also sail the oceans, with a noted exception, our very long and narrow Great Lakes freighters which could break in half in giant ocean swells.
I have the design of a Venetian built ship from the late 13th century (the Templars are known to have bought Venetian ships) that gives its length as translated at 39 meters. These late 13th century vessels were already using sails as the prominent means of propulsion, with oars as a backup.
Admittedly with better weather forecasting today I wouldn't hesitate a moment from crossing the North Atlantic with a ship of this design.

centuries old dry eel grass compared to wet for centuries coconut fibre? When remodeling a very old house I found a decent looking dry newspaper many years old, does that mean old wet newspapers would work for packing? Apples and oranges Rd.

Cheers, Loki
 

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lokiblossom said:
Actually the last dating of the c. fibres was to the 14th century. In my opinion it is ridiculous to think that anybody would use centuries old vegetable matter for packing material, and then to think that it was also made from old rope. Remember, for one thing we are talking about the wealthiest of all the Catholic orders. And then to use it again as some kind of filter, LOL.
Once more I will mention that several Knights Templar vessels left Cyprus in 1307 (a location where coconut fibre was readily available), landing in France that same year at a location where there were other Templar ships. Within a couple of months all of these ships disappeared.
Its not styrofoam peanuts that last forever Rd, your talking apples and oranges as another poster has told me a couple of times.
Oh, one more thing, I never said the Templars buried anything on Oak Island, only that they passed through on their way to New Ross.

Another point I would like to clear up is the comment that a vessel sailing the nice calm Mediterranean wouldn't be capable of ocean travel. I live and sail on the Great Lakes, and I can tell you that any ship that can safely traverse these inland seas can also sail the oceans, with a noted exception, our very long and narrow Great Lakes freighters which could break in half in giant ocean swells.

Cheers, Loki
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The Legend lives on form the Chippewa on down. of the big lake they call Gitchigoomee....
 

Apples and oranges? Hahahha...

No one is comparing styrofoam peanuts to any fibers...except in the sense that as a packing material...neither would just be tossed aside until they were dust...because of cost....You are taking things out of context.

And No...YOU are talking about the 'the richest Order'..'templars' etc....I don't happen to believe the Templar theory at all....even as a drive by. You are writing a book, to sell i would think, so you need these things to fit your timeline...i am just a guy interested in this stuff, with nothing to sell...so no reason to bend anything to my ideas of how things could have been, just what the facts point to. Yes, I get it... a bunch of Templars left in a bunch of boats and some were never heard from again. So they must have gone past Oak Island....If that is all the 'facts' you have, then it is pretty flimsy stuff....Once again, i have no interest in Templars.....

But none of that matters as the discussion is about the dated fibers, NOT who brought them there, but how they could fit into the timeline into the 1400's and beyond. It is possible, so cannot be just pooed away, because they would be a valuable commodity in any port. As with all items needed in a port city for commerce, there would be merchants that sold those items....packing materials included...and recycling tons of low cost waste rope and used packing material that could be resold as packing is not to farfetched at all, especially when your coir supplier is a 1000 or more miles away in another port city that is going to cost you hard cash to get because you dont have a UPS commercial account (Sarcasm)

My sailing experience is only in California coastal waters as crew on a 60 foot schooner and on my personal 24 foot sailboat on inland waters...so can't address the use or non use of any Templar ships for sea crossings...But, i bet it was scary and fun at the same time!
 

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Roadhse2 said:
My sailing experience is only in California coastal waters as crew on a 60 foot schooner and on my personal 24 foot sailboat on inland waters...so can't address the use or non use of any Templar ships for sea crossings...But, i bet it was scary and fun at the same time!
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It has recently been done with a replica of an 11th century Viking ship called the "Gokstad". It would be quite the experience wouldn't it?

Cheers, Loki
 

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