Season "3" of Curse of Oak Island

[Dave Rishar]

Not to defend the late poster n4n224ccw Mar 30, 2012, But yours and another's response to his posting appears to be more of a "Reverse Variation" to a Stuart Chase's "Quote"!

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You keep posting this, and I keep asking for proof in order that we may test it. Around and around we go.

I'm wondering what the context behind that quote is.

 

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[adtofca]

I like the post about Blankenship and friends creating sensation over Oak Island for their Tourist Trap . Oak Island Tours first " Sell " was that they had
discovered the location of Capt. Kid's Pirate Booty on the Island and were looking for investors to dig it up .

 

[gazzahk]

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Dennis King's article on the "Finger Drains"

I start this post by saying I am not saying the flood tunnel theory is accurate as I doubt that theory myself. It is simply the salt making theory is not consistent with the evidence. My view is Smith cove is a mystery that needs to be solved.

I have now read the article on the guys salt theory and showed it to some other informed sources. It is pretty full of holes in my view.

Firstly the dating is all wrong and that in itself disproves his 1700s theory. But even if that is ignored there are heaps of problems with his theory.

If the box drains were covered in the coconut fiber and eel grass then sand the only thing that would drain into them would be the water that was directly over the top of the drains. There is no logic as to why the water that passes through the whole beach would drain into those five small pipes. This would mean the whole job of building the dam would be to simply get the salt from directly above the drains and not from the whole beach. If they just wanted the water for the boiling pit it would have been a lot easier just to dig a channel to the boiling area. The amount of salt would be the same as if the water just flowed straight into the drains.

If the tide was allowed to wash over the beach it would just see the water going through the sand the same way it does on any beach. Why would the salt accumulate on the beach. This does not happen on any other beach. The sand is porous and the water simply flows through it. Every time the water comes in it would simply re mix with the ocean and be the same salt concentration as the ocean there is no reason for the salt concentration to get larger each time the ocean comes in. There are no references to the beach being covered in salt. To accumulate salt you would need a surface where the water could not just soak through each time the water was let go over the beach.

The only reason that the salt makers would of needed to try to filter their sand would be because they themselves put their sand over their inlets to where they got the water.
The amount of water that would have to be boiled to get any significant amount of salt would be massive. So where is the evidence of tonnes of charcoal. There would be mounds of the stuff as 10s of thousands of gallons of water must have been boiled.. There is no reference anywhere to very large deposits of charcoal. Think of how much charcoal burning 1000 trees would create. There would be no reason for the fisherman to have removed it. There is also no evidence of significant deforestation which would have been needed to get the wood they would need to burn to boil there massive amount of gallons of water.

Why is there no evidence of what must have been a significant long term presence of man here to build the dam and live and work making the salt. The fisherman would have no reason for hiding the evidence of their presence. There would be much more evidence of the community that would have been required to live here to justify such a significant enterprise.

He quotes a variety of salt making historic practices. None of these are the same or even that similar to what he is theorizing here. They are quite different. Why is there no evidence that this method of making salt has ever been used anywhere else in the Americas.

I have shown this article to three of our science teachers at my school and they just laughed. They pointed out many reasons as to why this process would not see any increase in the waters salt concentration.

Why have none of the treasure seekers ever explored this theory. Why have the Lagina brothers never even mentioned this theory.

Overall this theory does not give a plausible reason for construction of that significant dam structure as it adds nothing to the amount of salt that could be collected. It would have been a massive construction project for no significant advantage.

Once again I refer to the first point that the timing is wrong by at least 300 years so this alone disproves his theory.

I think that there must be a different reason for the building of the dam and box drains that does not involve the production of salt.

 

[Roadhse2]

gazzahk...

You may think it strange, but I actually like your post...though it doesnt 'tang' with what I think...that's okie dokie!

I was glad to see you did some reading, research, and gathered others opinions....and then formed a more solid base on what you believe. To move on here to some 'maybe' answers, that is what needs to be done (it is all just speculation afterall)...the only way to get to some sort of answers for these type of tales, is to think it out...and right or wrong you are adding to the overall solution by showing me holes in mine and thereby making me think again, read more and researching to fill those holes...or not. Either way is ok...the finding the right one is the end game,,,by me, you, someone else...doesnt matter.

So now what do you think they could have been used for...?

For now I am still sticking with salt production as it was a needed commodity for a newly growing populace...the age of the fibers/grasses doesnt make me change my mind on that....nor disposing of charcoal (surrounded by ocean, couldnt be to hard to do), cutting wood on the mainland etc..as a fish processing plant, minimal 'works' would be needed to accomplish it, out of wood most likely that later inhabitants discarded...so i am not giving up...yet!

But something else i am missing could cause me to change my mind...so keep it going

Thanks,
Glen

Edit to add:

"Why have none of the treasure seekers ever explored this theory. Why have the Lagina brothers never even mentioned this theory."

No reason too...it doesn't further their treasure tale...

 

[gazzahk]

gazzahk...

So now what do you think they could have been used for...?...

I do not know. To me the flood tunnel theory is also very questionable. It seems anywhere they dig on the island they hit water. So I cannot see the need for an elaborate flood system.

The extensive work needed to build that dam (from looking at picks of what remained) someone went to a lot of trouble. If we just accept the evidence on face value (all things that have been reported to be found were actually found). then one must conclude that significant effort has been put in to hiding the evidence of the human activity that went on there. The lack of artifacts and the hidden nature of all the constructions suggest someone did not want others to know what they had been doing there.

I hope the Laginas get to the bottom of it all. I think we will only get the answers if they dig the pit.

 

[Roadhse2]

Great place to find out what has been researched on Oak Island, theories, background, people involved, etc...

Here are the main theories....as of 2004...

Theories and Supposition

 

[gazzahk]

Pulitzer is now claiming to have the original stone with the carvings.....

Exclusive: New Evidence Ancient Romans May Have Made It to Oak Island, Canada

The stone was inscribed with symbols of unknown origin. Reverend A.T. Kempton, of Cambridge, Massachusetts, claimed to have deciphered the script in 1949, and said it declared treasure was buried 40 feet below.

While drawings of the stone have survived, the stone itself went missing in 1912. Pulitzer announced exclusively to Epoch Times that he has found the stone, and his analysis has shown it may have strong connections to the ancient Roman Empire.

The stone was presented to him by someone involved in the treasure hunt on the island, whom Pulitzer will not identify publicly (Epoch Times has been privately informed of his identity). The man’s family recently opened up to Pulitzer and is allowing the stone to be tested.


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A rendering of the script on the 90-foot stone.

Pulitzer said the script on the stone was misinterpreted in 1949. The Rev. Kempton had dismissed some of the symbols as mistakes and interpreted others incorrectly.

The script has now been statistically analyzed using a computer program that compares it to a database of languages. It came up with a 100 percent match to a script related to the ancient Roman Empire. Pulitzer’s background in technology and statistics helped him make the analysis.

According to his analysis, it matches a proto-Canaanite script, also known as proto-Sinaitic. It is an ancestor of many languages in the Levant. The writing on the 90-foot stone is an ancient mariner’s derivative of proto-Canaanite, used as a common tongue to communicate at ports of various native languages during the time of the Roman Empire. It mixes proto-Canaanite with proto-Berber (the ancestor of North Africa’s Berber languages) and other proto-languages.

 

[Roadhse2]

The "Box Drains" Refuted

The Woods Hole scientists introduced an extremely sensitive dye into Borehole 10-X and then monitored the coastline around the island to check for outflow. Absolutely no dye was detected emerging anywhere around the island despite the fact that the water level in the 'borehole' varies with the tide in the same manner as is claimed of the Money Pit. Also, the water in the hole is not actually seawater. Instead it is brackish, indicating that a freshwater 'lens' exists on the island, riding atop the surrounding seawater due to the density difference between the two. This is apparently quite common where island geologies are concerned (Aubrey, 2002). If the so-called 'box drains' actually existed we would expect to find only seawater in the Pit. Instead, the findings indicate that a subterranean stream, normal water infiltration through the deeper 'sand and boulder' soils, and/or other natural mechanisms have caused the flooding of the Pit and other shafts.

This finding is reinforced by the results of side-scan sonar studies that were conducted at the same time. No indications of any sort of channel or 'drain' between the Pit area and the shoreline were found. The scientists summarized this finding during the interview by stating that 'no direct connection to the surrounding ocean was found during the study (Gallo, 2002).'

The rest of the findings are here....Appendix --Woods Hole Explores Oak Island

 

[Roadhse2]

gazzahk, Cofferdams

On a related topic, much has been made of Triton's discovery of old cofferdam arrangements in the water off a beach where it is believed one of the "box drains" originates. Several writers have commented that this feature must be a remnant of the works constructed when the Pit was created. These writers completely ignore the fact that a 19th century recovery effort involved not one, but two attempts at blocking the flooding by erecting cofferdams in the appropriate areas. While we have no firm data, it seems far more likely that this cofferdam represents the remains of one of these attempts and could be successfully dated to the mid 1800s.

Appendix -- template

 

[Roadhse2]

Yeah...Hutton is being discredited at every level...

He now claims to have found 3 'Roman' crossbow points buried in a 1000 year old section of wood beam found on Oak Island around the turn of the century (he doesnt mention which one, 16 years ago OR 116?)...problem is...further study so far shows the only one he is showing a picture of, resembles a log peavey point more than a roman point...Some pretty funny stuff he is coming up with..

 

[gazzahk]

Yeah...Hutton is being discredited at every level...

He now claims to have found 3 'Roman' crossbow points buried in a 1000 year old section of wood beam found on Oak Island around the turn of the century (he doesnt mention which one, 16 years ago OR 116?)...problem is...further study so far shows the only one he is showing a picture of, resembles a log peavey point more than a roman point...Some pretty funny stuff he is coming up with..

Yep.. The guy seems to be a complete looney. His claim that the sword has been proven authentic by the best possible research and then just dismisses the Halifax uni tests as wrong.. When the same sword is even for sale on ebay..

I am interested in his claim to have access to the actual 90 foot stone.. That would be an amazing find if it was true. I hope to see some evidence of the truth of this. However I seriously doubt the mans honesty. On top of that even if he has a stone how does he know it is the original?

I have read about the dye tests before. When the brothers tried to repeat the test they found nothing (season 1). However they have stated that the water in 10x is sea water so the current finding are not consistent with the article. As I said before I highly doubt the flood tunnel theory and think the water table is more likely to be the cause of the flooding myself. There was no reason for the flood tunnel to dissect and then flood 10x. It would be a large coincidence for 10x to have been dug right in the path of the tunnel. the fact that no one has been able to find any evidence of the tunnel sort of suggests it is not there. There are some other factual erros in that referred to article. The area on oak island where 10x and the money pit is not limestone as stated in the article for example (or this is not what the Lagina brothers are saying it is).

If the dam remains were not from the original building of the finger drains then this sort of shoots everyone's theories except those who think nothing was ever there. The idea that the beach was just a place to dry fish seems the best explanation of why it was built rather then anything overally complicated. It all largely depends on how much of the reported previous evidence is accepted as fact compared to fiction or speculative interpretation repeated and miss interpreted.

I really want them to use the freeze the ground tech and dig the pit. I really would like to know the answer to the mystery.

I will bet a load of money it was not built by the romans....

 

[burlbark]

Does everyone forget the money pit was excavated and the whole island turned upside down in the 60's. They built the causeway to the island for the large earth moving equipment. They dug to 200+ feet and there was nothing but rock and water.

 

[Roadhse2]

Since they have a 5 year contract with the production company...i wouldnt be looking for them to be freezing the ground anytime soon...

I do hope they move onto more substantial information/work though...the current story line is getting pretty thin and pretty much played out..

 

[Roadhse2]

"Does everyone forget the money pit was excavated ...."

No...but they don't mention it much...

Personally...i dont think there ever was a treasure at the Money Pit...just a fabricated story from the start to sell investors on..That the story was started once the former slave had found wealth of some sort after he bought one of the island parcels...eleborated on by McGuiniss and friends to gain 15 minutes of fame and try to captilize on that for cash. Even the original story of finding a slighty overgrown depression, around 7 feet wide, in a triangle of trees....with pulley....doesnt wash to well...the time difference from when it had been 'worked' to the time they 'found' it was supposedly 300 years...undisturbed there would have been wholesale vegetation, trees, bushes, etc overgrown there...NOT just a light overgrowth of plants...just look at the island now and how it has bounced back from all of the destructive digging done on it in the recent past to see how quickly nature reclaims bare ground.....

As an example...my five acres of former grass field here with NO trees is now 70% covered in trees up to 18, 20 foot tall...all volunteer trees that have come up in the last 6 years since i bought the place....Now we ARE in south Missouri with a longer growing season than Oak Island....rocky soil etc...but if we can have that many trees take over in so short of a time, then Oak Island should still have been a forest of trees after 300 years..with very little to any bare spots

 

[Gold Maven]

Are there any actual pictures of the box drains?

I realize there are hundreds of sketches, but are there any real photos?

I see how easily some old eel grass buried 12" on the beach is taken as proof of an elaborate filtration system, I just wonder if a couple of flat rocks provided instant proof of box drains.

Imagine tunneling from the pit to the ocean, and lining your excavation with flat rocks? highly unlikely in my opinion.

 

[Guster]

Jeffry Jovan Philyaw of Fort Worth, Texas. Or Hutton, or Pulizer. The guy is nutty as a Snicker's Bar and changes names to gloss over past failures.

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[Guster]

it all makes sense now

 

[Roadhse2]

If you are interested in the facts as known, versus folklore, of the Oak Island treasure...it is worth the time to view this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaIaOesYR2I&feature=youtu.be

 

[adtofca]

Theoretical musing of my study of Oak Island's shaft's initial use is that it was not used to store treasure at all . The Treasure Scams are many across
the World and throughout time . The shaft was not for hiding Treasure . There never was Treasure in it . The Money Pit received it's name from the money that was
poured into an empty pit . One of the posters guessed it correctly , The shaft was built to smoke and preserve fish . It was first dug by indigenous tribal people
and later used by European immigrants for the same purpose .
Like so many other treasure tales , the pit made a lot of money for scam artist who also faked artifacts .
The scams continue to make the scammers money , from those producers of History Channels T.V. shows , to the other scammers who are being scammed
by history channel as well as Blankenship et al .

 

[Schlechter]

Does everyone forget the money pit was excavated and the whole island turned upside down in the 60's. They built the causeway to the island for the large earth moving equipment. They dug to 200+ feet and there was nothing but rock and water.

Please provide your link to indicate this. I have never seen it recorded anywhere that they successfully dug to the bottom of the money pit. Even when they had all the heavy equipment they were not able to successfully dig past the flood pit levels. Maybe you are being confused with them "drilling" past the flood levels. Those results were just to sample test what was past the levels they could not get to.