Pirate Treasure-Trying to get a permit to dig up

[releventchair]

What is a blast gate attached to wood for? I know,not what the site is about. Todays use of them for dust collection systems don,t mean besides a forge,which wood attached makes doubtful there were not other uses. Water run through tiles to a box would eventually take a toll on wood and metal,but the cost may have been part of the business.
Page 127 suggests covering a spring and why not run water to multiple locations and control level at ends?
The American Agriculturist - Google Books

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

View attachment 1013041 We would have done a better job but I forgot my rake. The church guy said it looked fine and that we were welcome to dig again.

thats impressive.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

What is a blast gate attached to wood for? I know,not what the site is about. Todays use of them for dust collection systems don,t mean besides a forge,which wood attached makes doubtful there were not other uses. Water run through tiles to a box would eventually take a toll on wood and metal,but the cost may have been part of the business.
Page 127 suggests covering a spring and why not run water to multiple locations and control level at ends?
The American Agriculturist - Google Books

Is it called a "blast gate"? Give me a few more words to google and I will try to find an exact match.

 

[releventchair]

Best definition I found. Today,s are often plastic. Metal blast gate brought closest of very few pics out there.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I think releventchair has made the ID. Its a blast gate. Here is a modern metal version for a stove exhaust damper, smoker, dust collection, irrigation, whatever. Alternative Exhaust Damper idea


If you look at the hand grip and nails, it appears the bullet was shot from the inside.

 

[Bigdogdad]

We cut the sod out in sections and set them aside in the pattern they were originally in. We took out all the concrete and other trash and got rid of it. The fill dirt was packed as it was put back in. The sod went back into place. We then drove a vehicle tire over it a few times. I normally rake all the loose dirt into the ground and sometimes water it to make it look like we were never there. This is just one of the reasons I am welcome to come back and dig again.

Before, and the hole was actually bigger than this. Once it rains, which is about every other day, you will never know we dug a hole.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

It poured down here today.

 

[releventchair]

Enough bricks to build a small box for a cistern sump to filter water through? That would allow a slide gate (blast valve) to close roof washer ( large debris screening).




I ask having in my first cistern lid unlocking on an old farm I rented found a clean dry concrete room below ground. Alas,no hidden goodies at the time.

 

[ECS]

1. Do you really think that if you check the past ownership (of which there could have been numerous different owners) that you will be able to decide to dig or not dig based on what their assets may or may not have been, reported or not reported as it was illegal to own any large amount of gold? No wonder you and vor never do any digging.

2. I really don't care what the purpose of the pipe system was...

3. Let's see, you claim to have found a medicine bottle that used a cork to seal it while doing a repair job. On another post on a different thread you got all excited by being able to touch the glass counter cabinet that may have held an item that may have belonged to Jesse James. You are quite the treasure hunter and I don't blame you for making fun of me.

1. It only became illegal to own gold in the 1930's,before then golden eagles were legal tender.
Checking ownership and property use would determine if the owner had the wealth to bury a cache of diamonds,gold,and silver-a poor farmer would not have that kind of wealth to just hide it in a sewer system and leave it there,and I doubt a stranger would come on anothers property to bury his cache in a sewer system.Those who are apt to bury a cache want it hidden,but also close with easy access,if needed.One always needs to ask,if a cache is possibly buried at a certain location,the why iit was buried at this site,who and when may have buried it-that is the purpose of basic research.
2. We know you were not looking for a sewer system,but the promise of diamonds,gold,and silver at this location from a remote dowser.
3. Now you are just playing the mocker.I removed concrete sewer pipes like that in the 1960's when I was a teenager and you were still in grade school,and yes I did find a bottle-did I say it was treasure or the big one? No.
Curious George is a gun store in Aspen,Colorado,that specialized in guns used during the time of the old west,and each firearm HAS documented provenance.In addition to Jesse James holster,there were guns owned by Annie Oakley and Buffalo Bill,several native American chiefs and US Calvary,and guns from the OK Corral,including a Colt .45 with "Marshall of Dodge City" on its grip,And provenance starting with Josie Earp.
All firearms are for sale,but I would need to find the BIG ONE before making a purchase at this store.

 

[ECS]

... Water run through tiles to a box would eventually take a toll on wood and metal,but the cost may have been part of the business.
Page 127 suggests covering a spring and why not run water to multiple locations and control level at ends?

That reminded me of another original 2 story home on Fort King that had a wooden "Spring House" in the back yard.It was built over an actual spring(Marion county has many)and with a plumbing system provided running water to the house.The house is still there,but the spring house was dismantled in the early 1960's.
Good post,Releventchair.

 

[Bigdogdad]

Checking ownership and property use would determine if the owner had the wealth to bury a cache of diamonds,gold,and silver-a poor farmer would not have that kind of wealth to just hide it in a sewer system and leave it there,and I doubt a stranger would come on anothers property to bury his cache in a sewer system.

I do not think you could accurately determine by checking ownership or property use how much money someone would have. Not now and not then. I think you greatly over-estimate the value you get from doing your property research. For instance, the house I live in was built in 1976. It is nothing special. It would appear that no one involved had any substantial money. For a period of years one of the owners housed a number of elderly people that may have lived out their last days here. It is possible that they may have hidden their life savings somewhere on the property. People generally don't claim all that they may own. Many people that look or act poor may be filthy rich.

You're suggestion to try to research all that you can about a property to try to decide if they had any money before deciding to dig for treasure on it may have some value, but in my opinion, not much. You are into digging into books, I am into digging into the ground. I have news for you, the best way to find buried treasure is to dig for it. Has that worked for me? Not yet. Am I still learning? Yes. I will brag and tell you that I am very good at digging holes. You are very good at digging up information. I have invited you to join me. You have declined. I think you're skeered.

 

[vor]

I think i see.an orb in this image. What do you interpret this to be?

V

 

[Bigdogdad]

I think i see.an orb in this image. What do you interpret this to be?

V

Too much alcohol consumption.

 

[Bigdogdad]

The owner of the Nokta detector is going on vacation to the Dahlonega Georgia area and wants his detector back. I just got this idea that maybe I should go run it over the area one last time. Now that I have removed the junk it would be interesting to see what it reads. My 1000 mile guy has done his thing with the new photos and said the treasure is right in the middle of where the hole was. I have had a chance to mentally process everything that happened and everything that I saw. Sometimes you have to step back and rethink things.

The structure we found was purposely destroyed and put back in the hole. In other words someone had dug into the ground, smashed up the 3 pipe connection, taken out the pieces, put them back in, and filled the hole back in. Why? I think someone may have used this specific landmark/spot to hide the treasure. Someone would have known exactly where these pipes were. Obviously no matter what it was it had at some point become inactive. I am going to make a drawing of the layout of the pipes and take some pictures of the pieces (which I kept) to show what it all looked like. At this point I am choosing not to post any video. I have my reasons.

 

[Hot zone]

Perhaps the booty is long gone and your 1000 mile guy is picking up on traces of memory of an otherwise forgotten treasure!

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Perhaps the booty is long gone and your 1000 mile guy is picking up on traces of memory of an otherwise forgotten treasure!

The Nokia too?

 

[Bigdogdad]

Perhaps the booty is long gone and your 1000 mile guy is picking up on traces of memory of an otherwise forgotten treasure!

I have always heard that if a metal is buried in the ground for a long time and then removed it will leave a trace of itself that can still be detected with a metal detector, LRL or through dowsing. I am not an expert on this. I would guess that the critics on here will say that it is true about the trace and the metal detector but not about any unconventional method being able to pick this up.

The interent is a great place to learn things. If I am trying to figure out how to fix something and don't know what to do, I will try to Google the information to see what the "experts" say. I will always find differing opinions and then it is up to me to decide who knows what they are talking about. Incorrect information can do you more harm than good. My wife works for a vet and people come in all the time with their own diagnosis and cure for their pet that they got from what my wife's group refers to as "Dr. Google".

You can find two completely opposite sides when it comes to treasure locating and detecting methods. I am still trying to find out what works and what does not. I do not know how to do this without digging. We did tests with the Nokta and it will find non-ferrous metal at a pretty good depth and seemed to out-perform our other detectors. You can read both good reviews and bad reviews on the internet about this particular unit. I would expect the critics on here to make fun of it because that is what they like to do.

 

[vor]

Precious metals will not leave a detectable sign. Ferrous metals can leave detectable oxidated flakes.

You are referring to the typical dowser excuse "it was here but has been obviously removed".

We would all like for you to find something. But I think convention science is the only way.

 

[The Rebel]

The structure we found was purposely destroyed and put back in the hole. In other words someone had dug into the ground, smashed up the 3 pipe connection, taken out the pieces, put them back in, and filled the hole back in. Why? I think someone may have used this specific landmark/spot to hide the treasure. Someone would have known exactly where these pipes were. Obviously no matter what it was it had at some point become inactive. I am going to make a drawing of the layout of the pipes and take some pictures of the pieces (which I kept) to show what it all looked like. At this point I am choosing not to post any video. I have my reasons.

These are 2 sites to use

NETR Online • Historic Aerials This site will allow you to see what the area looked like long ago. In my area you can get aerial shots from the 1930's.
Historic Map Works, Residential Genealogy ?

 

[Hot zone]

The ability to detect from a great distance would involve an element of time...That is, if thought waves follow the theory of relativity, they don't exceed the speed of light... The remote viewer then is imagining another location that is not at the same moment in time that he is physically occupying... Given this warping of time, it may as well have been years as a fraction of a second... So sure the treasure may be gone now!