Pirate Treasure-Trying to get a permit to dig up

[releventchair]

Location,site within the site.
Time constraints.
Privacy.
Labor/help.
Back-up plan.
Enthusiasm.
Yeah,you ain,t just digging with your fingers crossed and not learning. Kudo,s point for the dig.

 

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[Hot zone]

I don't see the need for a screen with a good probe and checking every scoop or shovel full... Whites TRX bullseye probe will detect objects 3-4 inches away...

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I know that many on here do not believe in my methods. I know that LRLs and dowsing can work just as I know that metal detectors can work. Neither is a guarantee of finding treasure. Luck, perseverance, hard work, research. timing, good karma, a positive attitude, and lots of digging are just a part of what it may take to find buried treasure. A negative attitude will get you nowhere.

A metal detector will guarantee to find metal every time. Only a few of these targets are gold and you dont know until you dig. No detector can guarantee gold. I guess an LRL or remote sensing only guarantees an anomalie. (spel check) The part that turns people off is when the map dowsers say they see diamonds, gold and silver and to be blunt they are full of crap..

 

[Hot zone]

A person can hunt a long time in the wrong place...So I see no harm in using a LRL, even if it only lures me to the right general area and my metal detector finds treasure! The harm I see would be spending too much on the devise... It takes a certain amount of luck to find treasure... I think people make their own luck by being persistent... Anything that gives you confidence, lucky rabbits foot included, if it keeps you looking, increases your chances... It's like this: going down your checklist; shovel, mule, pick, lucky rabbits foot...check, check and double check... Attention to detail and the willingness to work and you have much more of a chance to be lucky than the armchair treasure hunter! Good luck and don't give up BDD...

 

[ECS]

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The non-ferrous object that we dug up was a sardine can. There was also an old Budweiser can. The device pictured has some metal on it that is silver in color when wiped hard...

BDD,you mentioned that this property was once a farm.Before digging,did you do a property records search,ie,tax records,to determine past ownership,what type of farm,and if there was a house,barn,or other outbuildings located at this site? It would provide insight into the purpose of the pipe system you uncovered.Also researching past ownership would be a way to determine if any of the past owners had the assets to bury a cache of diamonds,gold,and silver and THEN,leave it buried and forgotten.
For example:There is a written record of C Wickiliffe Yulee,15 yo son of David Levy Yulee and CSA Lt John S Purviance burying part of the gold from the CSA treasury that CSA President Davis had shipped to Yulee's Cottonwood Plantation in Archer,Florida.
The account mentions it was in a truck,and buried in a certain outbuilding.
Mavy holes have been dug at Cottonwood,but that trunk was never found,since that outbuilding has been long gone.
Was it recovered by Yulee's son or Purviance,or is it still there?

 

[lastleg]

Post #1938 BDD says the sardine can is non-ferrous. As far as I know aluminum sardine cans are
pretty, but still ferrous meaning non-silver, gold, platinum or any other "precious metal". He does
not know the difference because he has never been interested in learning the basics in metal
detecting. Mr Orvid filled his mind with fairy tales and gossamer wings and took the road that leads
nowhere.

 

[vor]

but I will chock it up to stupidity.

BDD
I will withhold most of my comments until I see all of the photos and youtube video (simplest way to post it here).

But I wouldn't chalk anything up to stupidity. But you may want to rethink your faith in LRLs, dowsing or the wrong equipment.


Also looking forward to the "after" photo.

In regards to the concrete pipe, concrete cannot be used as a high pressure line so if it is a water line, it would be carrying water "downhill" which is improbable. It appears to be an old septic system (possibly even the edge of the concrete tank) with input from two sources if it does split off.

But as RC said: Points for the dig.

 

[Jon Phillips]

Post #1938 BDD says the sardine can is non-ferrous. As far as I know aluminum sardine cans are
pretty, but still ferrous meaning non-silver, gold, platinum or any other "precious metal". He does
not know the difference because he has never been interested in learning the basics in metal
detecting. Mr Orvid filled his mind with fairy tales and gossamer wings and took the road that leads
nowhere.

Aluminum is a non-ferrous metal.

That is why detectors can't tell the difference between gold, silver, beer cans, brass, copper etc.

There are many more non-precious, non-ferrous, metals than precious. Non-ferrous metals tend to be highly conductive, non-magnetic, and resistant to corrosion, unlike ferrous metals, like iron.

 

[lastleg]

One more point on standard detectors: The transmitter sends a signal into the earth beneath, the
depth of which varies, and upon the sound waves hitting a metal object are reflected back to the
detector's receiver. If someone had placed an object of gold totally inside a ferrous container you
would not get a signal from the gold. You would get a ferrous signal on your detector

BDD's Nokta claims it can penetrate the ferrous cover and "see" gold inside. No other detector I've
used makes that claim. So it seems to me BDD's objective should be to prove this theory once and
for all. This would not require a gathering of birds of a feather, just place a gold ring in a metal box
and bury it. Run the Nokta over it and observe it's reading and also the impressive technicolor screen.
If the Notka reads gold ring replace the ring with a pull tab and rebury. If the Nokta says pull tab you
have the ideal detector.

 

[Jon Phillips]

Yeah, I didn't know much about the Nokta detectors, other than they were very expensive....but now that I know they have pre-loaded images that mimic real-time imaging devices, and claim to separate targets like that, when an iron nail next to a quarter will be a broken, bad, signal on all other detectors I have ever had...I would tend to put them all into the over-priced quack device category...unless something surfaces to change my mind.

 

[Bigdogdad]

Post #1938 BDD says the sardine can is non-ferrous. As far as I know aluminum sardine cans are
pretty, but still ferrous meaning non-silver, gold, platinum or any other "precious metal". He does
not know the difference because he has never been interested in learning the basics in metal
detecting. Mr Orvid filled his mind with fairy tales and gossamer wings and took the road that leads
nowhere.

Aluminum cans are ferrous? I don't know the difference? I could try to make you look bad on here but there is no need because you do it so well all by yourself. I am not allowed to respond to your crap in the way I would like to. I think that nobody has filled your mind with anything because it appears to be almost empty.

 

[Bigdogdad]

The vent may be nickle plated but I doubt it would be silver plated.

Here are some better pictures of the metal object found in the hole.

Because like lastleg says, my mind is filled with fairy tales and gossamer wings, I think this is the cover to the keyhole on a treasure chest. It even has a bullet hole in it.

 

[lastleg]

You could say that ferric objects will rust. Aluminum tokens from the 1860s do too. It just takes longer
for the white metals.

 

[Bigdogdad]

BDD,you mentioned that this property was once a farm.Before digging,did you do a property records search,ie,tax records,to determine past ownership,what type of farm,and if there was a house,barn,or other outbuildings located at this site? It would provide insight into the purpose of the pipe system you uncovered.Also researching past ownership would be a way to determine if any of the past owners had the assets to bury a cache of diamonds,gold,and silver and THEN,leave it buried and forgotten.
For example:There is a written record of C Wickiliffe Yulee,15 yo son of David Levy Yulee and CSA Lt John S Purviance burying part of the gold from the CSA treasury that CSA President Davis had shipped to Yulee's Cottonwood Plantation in Archer,Florida.
The account mentions it was in a truck,and buried in a certain outbuilding.
Mavy holes have been dug at Cottonwood,but that trunk was never found,since that outbuilding has been long gone.
Was it recovered by Yulee's son or Purviance,or is it still there?

Do you really think that if you check the past ownership (of which there could have been numerous different owners) that you will be able to decide to dig or not dig based on what their assets may or may not have been, reported or not reported as it was illegal to own any large amount of gold? No wonder you and vor never do any digging.

I really don't care what the purpose of the pipe system was. My guy did not send me there to look for pipes. I went back today to take some photos for research. It is not over.

Let's see, you claim to have found a medicine bottle that used a cork to seal it while doing a repair job. On another post on a different thread you got all excited by being able to touch the glass counter cabinet that may have held an item that may have belonged to Jesse James. You are quite the treasure hunter and I don't blame you for making fun of me.

 

[Bigdogdad]

You could say that ferric objects will rust. Aluminum tokens from the 1860s do too. It just takes longer
for the white metals.

Well since ferric is iron, I guess you could say that. As far as aluminum goes I think you are confusing rust with corrode. But of course, you are the expert.

 

[Bigdogdad]

BDD


Also looking forward to the "after" photo.

We would have done a better job but I forgot my rake. The church guy said it looked fine and that we were welcome to dig again.

 

[vor]

I really don't care what the purpose of the pipe system was. My guy did not send me there to look for pipes.

Well you found a sewer system nontheless. Not that I'm keeping track but I think that out of all of your dowsing locations you have found two sewer systems and maybe a part of a wagon wheel.

I am starting to be a believer of dowsing......it can find a sewer system. Plumbers everywhere should take note.

V

 

[vor]

View attachment 1012981View attachment 1012983 I think this is the cover to the keyhole on a treasure chest.

lol

 

[Bigdogdad]

I am starting to be a believer of dowsing......it can find a sewer system. Plumbers everywhere should take note.

V

Plumbers everywhere already use dowsing. So do surveyors and well drillers. You don't need to believe me, just go ask any of them.

 

[Bigdogdad]

lol

I am sure you know I am joking about the metal object.