Pirate Treasure-Trying to get a permit to dig up

[xrunndonex]

The ability to detect from a great distance would involve an element of time...That is, if thought waves follow the theory of relativity, they don't exceed the speed of light... The remote viewer then is imagining another location that is not at the same moment in time that he is physically occupying... Given this warping of time, it may as well have been years as a fraction of a second... So sure the treasure may be gone now!

Stephen Hawkins calm down

 

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[Hot zone]

Stephen Hawkins calm down

Let me try and clarify...
The dowser is getting impressions from a 1000 miles away...If these impressions were traveling at the speed of light (186,000 miles/sec) then over .005 sec would have elapsed... He in this case, is getting info about something as it existed a moment ago... When dealing with time warps the difference between years and seconds is irrelevant as the dowser is getting old information in either case! He could just as easily be imagining a treasure that was there in 1914...

 

[vor]

Let me try and clarify...
The dowser is getting impressions from a 1000 miles away...If these impressions were traveling at the speed of light (186,000 miles/sec) then over .005 sec would have elapsed... He in this case, is getting info about something as it existed a moment ago... When dealing with time warps the difference between years and seconds is irrelevant as the dowser is getting old information in either case! He could just as easily be imagining a treasure that was there in 1914...

Excuse me for not understanding your logic. Time warp? How do you turn a .005 second delay into a time warp?

I see light sources all the time with millions of years delay without there being a time warp.

Sheez.

By chance, are you a dowser? Or just being sarcastic?

 

[xrunndonex]

Let me try and clarify...
The dowser is getting impressions from a 1000 miles away...If these impressions were traveling at the speed of light (186,000 miles/sec) then over .005 sec would have elapsed... He in this case, is getting info about something as it existed a moment ago... When dealing with time warps the difference between years and seconds is irrelevant as the dowser is getting old information in either case! He could just as easily be imagining a treasure that was there in 1914...

Actually I fully understood you're statement. I made the Stephen hawking remarking hoping someone would understand it. His theory pertaining time travel is if you have a item say stone henge. You could use that said item to travel as far back as that item was relevant. That was basically his theory in a nutshell but if you know quantum physics even a little bit. You'll know that there is much much more to it.

 

[xrunndonex]

Excuse me for not understanding your logic. Time warp? How do you turn a .005 second delay into a time warp?

I see light sources all the time with millions of years delay without there being a time warp.

Sheez.

By chance, are you a dowser? Or just being sarcastic?

I still don't understand how he went from .005 seconds to 100 years back. I mean that's a lot of time unaccounted for.

 

[Hot zone]

Both are in the past... ..The dowser is getting messages from the past... How fast does his impression travel? The speed of light is the upper limit...the maximum...what is the minimum speed his impression could travel?
By accepting .005 sec delay we have established it was not instantaneous but in the past! the only debate then is how long in the past!

 

[Hot zone]

A ghost doesn't know he is dead...trapped in time possibly communicating a treasure he remembers burying to the Dowser...I can't know the mechanics of something as strange as remote Dowsing... But if it can be done at all it seams reasonable to me that they are somehow picking up impressions from the past... The length of that past is irrelevant...

 

[vor]

A ghost doesn't know he's dead.

Now that makes more sense.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

The ability to detect from a great distance would involve an element of time...That is, if thought waves follow the theory of relativity, they don't exceed the speed of light... The remote viewer then is imagining another location that is not at the same moment in time that he is physically occupying... Given this warping of time, it may as well have been years as a fraction of a second... So sure the treasure may be gone now!

I just realized the Nokia cannot predict the future but it may well have predicted the recent past! (as it shows the hole already dug).

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

A ghost doesn't know he is dead...trapped in time possibly communicating a treasure he remembers burying to the Dowser...I can't know the mechanics of something as strange as remote Dowsing... But if it can be done at all it seams reasonable to me that they are somehow picking up impressions from the past... The length of that past is irrelevant...

What ghost? Yea Marc Austins ghost didnt realize he was dead either but he did remember being hit in the back of the head and pushed in the hole. Ouija Board anyone?

 

[Bigdogdad]

I have a completely different theory on how remote sensing can work and also how dowsing can work. I really don't want to get into a big discussion on it as it always seems to turn into an argument that becomes never ending. I am trying to prove something works by giving people a chance to demonstrate their abilities or their LRL's abilities. By conducting my own attempts to go through the whole process and then digging to verify results, I will figure it out sooner or later as long as I keep trying.

There will always be someone that is better than most everybody else at any given thing. It may be because of practice, luck, genetics, intelligence, hard work or a combination of all of these. I do not just follow or believe all that I read or am told. Seeing is believing. I think I have been lucky enough to become involved with some of these individuals.

MY friend and I took the Nokta detector back to the church site today. We no longer got the readings that we did before the dig. I had hoped for different results. The machine can be somewhat finicky. It does not operate like a regular metal detector. It did read a couple of times for metal still in the dig spot but it was not consistent.

My remote guy says it is in the spot we dug but is deeper. He had told me from the beginning that he cannot accurately read the depth. He does have his limits. The bottom line is he put me on this spot for a reason. At this exact place in the ground a man made junction of concrete pipes had been installed. Someone later on had dug down to the pipes, busted up just the small area where they came together, took all the pieces out, and then put them all back in along with the dirt. I have installed six different septic drain fields. I have repaired other drain fields. I can see no normal reason for someone to have done what was done at this spot.

I was going to take some pictures today and make a drawing but I got off on many different tangents. It was a weird day. I wish that I could share the details as they pertain to treasure and this story but because this is a very public forum it would not be a good idea to tell a lot of what I know. An entirely new treasure story was brought right to me today that has every good element of the perfect treasure cache. It came to me in a way that was so coincidental that if I told the details the readers would think I am making it all up.

I would still like to hear from any expert, what is the very best detector if I want to find something that may be 4 feet deep or maybe a little more. All of the claims made by the detector makers are probably exaggerated. Has anyone done any extensive testing on their own. My Garrett GTI 2500 was still reading for a deeper object right before we filled the hole in. I have no good answer for not digging more other than I was having a bad day.

 

[Bigdogdad]

What ghost? Yea Marc Austins ghost didnt realize he was dead either but he did remember being hit in the back of the head and pushed in the hole. Ouija Board anyone?

For anyone wondering who Marc is, he is the guy that created Treasurenet. Marc's story is on here. He had events happen in his life that were pretty crazy and it compelled him to create this site to share his story. Everyone reading this thread should read Marc's story. Maybe BCH can provide the link.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I will try to find the old story. It may have been removed by the new owners. The Ouija Board is a strange and scary device and I really dont want to fool with it. Marc didnt want to either but he kept notes that led him to a treasure site which encouraged him to start TN and share his story. Marc and Jeff of PA pretty much made TN happen. PBK also and of course all the members.

 

[Hot zone]

I read about it a couple years ago, possibly directed to on this very thread...

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

At this exact place in the ground a man made junction of concrete pipes had been installed. Someone later on had dug down to the pipes, busted up just the small area where they came together, took all the pieces out, and then put them all back in along with the dirt. I have installed six different septic drain fields. I have repaired other drain fields. I can see no normal reason for someone to have done what was done at this spot.

I think its possible that the distribution box was dug up because it was clogged or had collapsed. At some point it was abandoned. Its not unusual to throw broken concrete pipes or trash back into the hole before filling it. It was common practice back in the day to bury trash.

 

[Hot zone]

Sorry, I didn't mean to hijack the thread with my theorizing... I still want to see some treasure...good luck BDD

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I read about it a couple years ago, possibly directed to on this very thread...

It may be here in this thread somewhere. Lamar has posted some interesting observations on excorcism and the danger of using the Ouija Board. Myself, like most Roman Catholics, believe in the spirit world and excorcism. However I have never attempted to use the Ouija Board to find treasure as it might be like selling your soul because you dont know if you are contacting a good or evil spirit. http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/psychics-mediums-paranormal/208849-oujie-board.html

 

[Hot zone]

I am not afraid of evil spirits...I have always felt I am being protected by good spirits...

 

[Bigdogdad]

I think its possible that the distribution box was dug up because it was clogged or had collapsed. At some point it was abandoned. Its not unusual to throw broken concrete pipes or trash back into the hole before filling it. It was common practice back in the day to bury trash.

If it was dug up because it was clogged or had collapsed then you would think it would have been repaired, not purposely destroyed. I dug into it piece by piece not knowing what it was. I did not destroy it. I do not agree with your line of thought.

What if someone decided it would be a good spot to bury something because they knew where the junction was and that it was inoperable. There were two small pipes leading into a junction with a bigger pipe. The bigger pipe was sealed on the end and seemed to lead nowhere, although we did not trace the direction it lead. This is another one of the cases where you just had to be there as an eyewitness.

There comes a time when one must learn to trust their own intuition and to have faith in ones own ability to understand or believe what we see. I have seen enough evidence to convince me that my remote guy is able to some how see into a photo. With the pace of technology today it is no telling what we will be able to do using electronics. Our mind and body runs on electronics. Our DNA and brain cells contain a huge amount of information. Of course some appear to be lacking or have very limited use of what they were given. It helps to have an "open" mind. If any of you had "walked in my shoes" you might have a different opinion of things than you do now.

 

[Bigdogdad]

Sorry, I didn't mean to hijack the thread with my theorizing... I still want to see some treasure...good luck BDD

Nothing to apologize about. Theorize all you want.