Pirate Treasure-Trying to get a permit to dig up

[pittviper]

Being fro Pittsburgh, good luck and go Buccos!

 

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[Jon Phillips]

There are tabby rock walls in the Big Cypress, the old Fort Harrel being one example along with many old homesteads. The ancient Indians dug canals and earthworks but pyramids are a bit far fetched lol. Never heard that one. Always a pleasure to read your posts Jon Phillips.

Thanks! Fort Sullivan in Plant City had two of the four blockhouses built (at least partially) out of limestone blocks. I spoke with a very well-educated, local museum curator on the possible source of them, and he believes that they were taken from the old Indian village of which the fort was built. He thinks they were part of walls used as animal corrals, or something. He thinks the later residents hauled them off for wells, walls, foundations, etc., after the fort was abandoned. I have read other accounts of residents carrying off the fort material, as well as site investigations that indicated some stones were still on site. Who knows where all the Spanish might have had plantations and such.... A metal detector investigation from that article on the wall in the Big Cypress showed no metal in or around the wall, but some fire-cracked stones on one of the mounds set the detectors off...

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Yea locals salvaged whatever they could use. The Big Cypress watershed is mostly all protected now nevertheless several old Seminole War fort locations still remain a mystery, hidden in the jungle.

 

[ECS]

I have stated many times on TNET that Ovid put some members of Mel Fisher's team DIRECTLY on top of some Atocha gold...A very bold claim for me to make on this website...Someone fairly recently told me that he heard of what Ovid did directly from someone high up in the Fisher Group...

Why is it that the Mel Fisher Museum,Treasure Salvors,Inc,Kane Fisher's crew of the DAUNTLESS have never mentioned Ovid Arnold in their accounts concerning the Atocha?
Eugene Lyon,Mel's research consultant who calculated the "curve path" that led to the July 20,1985 discovery is mentioned,the divers are mentioned,but no where is Ovid mentioned.Could this be be an example of how lore begins?
http://www.internetstones.com/atoch...e-mel-fisher-salvors-inc-santa-margarita.html

 

[Bigdogdad]

From post #12. Lastleg and maipenrai,have you noticed all the contridictions that have been made on this thread?

I do not see a contradiction in what I wrote. You went all the way back to post #12 to try to find one? lastleg and maipenrai, have you noticed that when ECS tries to make fun of me he can't even spell words like contradiction correctly? Nobody is perfect but TNET does have an automatic spell check. Perhaps if ECS had researched this site he may have found it.

lastleg and maipenrai, have you noticed that ECS will never answer a direct question that I pose to him? Instead he ignores them and continues to try to show that I don't know what I am talking about. So sad. He just keeps digging himself further into his dark little hole. He has apparently never heard the term "If you can't beat them, join them". Perhaps he should give it a try.

 

[Bigdogdad]

Why is it that the Mel Fisher Museum,Treasure Salvors,Inc,Kane Fisher's crew of the DAUNTLESS have never mentioned Ovid Arnold in their accounts concerning the Atocha? Eugene Lyon,Mel's research consultant who calculated the "curve path" that led to the July 20,1985 discovery is mentioned,the divers are mentioned,but no where is Ovid mentioned.Could this be be an example of how lore begins? http://www.internetstones.com/atoch...e-mel-fisher-salvors-inc-santa-margarita.html

Another typical ECSism, if he can't find it in writing than it must not have happened. Here is a short version.

Mel is in a bar in Key West looking for investors. He did this a lot. Nothing wrong with it.

A guy tells him about a dowser that can locate gold. Mel tried almost anything that could work including dowsers.

The guy is a friend of Ovid and suggests he get with Mel. Ovid wants a contract.

A contract is never produced or signed but Ovid decided to take a chance. Many people involved with the Atocha search probably did not have written contracts.

Ovid goes to Ft Pierce, meets a Fisher crew, gets to know them a little and goes out with them.

He stands on the bow of the boat, swings his pendulum, and repeatedly leads them to the same location. He tells them there is silver. A buoy is put down.

After seeing what he could do they take him all the way to the Keys. Same procedure, he leads them to gold. They put a buoy down.

Ovid goes back to North Carolina without a contract.

Months pass by. Ovid calls to see if they have checked out the spots. They say no.

Ovid travels back to Florida and goes back to the same dock and crew. They tell him that they found a pile of gold and silver EXACTLY where he said it was.

Ovid goes back to North Carolina empty handed.

Ovid's friend hears what has happened and tries to contact Mel.

When he finally is able to speak to Mel directly he is told by Mel that he knows nothing about Ovid. He may not have.

While Ovid's friend is on the phone a secretary confirms that it was the little old man from North Carolina that put them on the gold.

Ovid wrote it off as a loss and knew that he should have had a contract in writing before showing someone where treasure is. A lesson learned.

It does not matter that much if anyone reading this, especially ECS, believes a word of it. I have written a much more detailed account of it. Nobody is trying to gain anything from the Fisher's about this. This all happened about 30 years ago. If ANYONE wants to talk more about this I will be glad to meet them in person at the treasure hunter's barbecue in Wabbasso on April 26. I refuse to get into a pissing contest about this on TNET. This whole episode was kept pretty quiet at the time as there was nothing to be gained by those involved. Again you can believe it or not.

ECS has done his best to try to disprove everything I have posted on TNET since we both joined back in March of 2012. All he ends up doing with his "research" is making my case look stronger. While he spends his time with his nose in books and computers, I am out talking to people, meeting new treasure hunters, learning new methods and acquiring more sites. He digs up "facts". I dig in the ground. Who do the readers think is going to find buried treasure?

 

[Bigdogdad]

I drove to Naples this afternoon to pick up the Nokta Golden King detector. If it is nearly as good as the ads on the Kellyco website say it is, things may get real interesting.

 

[lastleg]

I think we can clear up the Ovid 'mystery'. If BDD will provide the name of the NC town Ovid was
from. That's it. Just the town/city.

 

[ECS]

I think we can clear up the Ovid 'mystery'. If BDD will provide the name of the NC town Ovid was
from. That's it. Just the town/city.

...or the name of the "secretary on the phone" or the "someone high up in the Fisher group"or the someone who "heard of what Ovid did".
Lack of verification keeps this in the realm of a tall tale and lore-name names.

 

[BeenThereDoneThat2]

Piece of Cake

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May 12, 2012 by: BigDogDad

Quote BDD from post #3 this thread: "So needless to say we love pirates and treasure hunters. It should be a piece of cake to be able to dig up some pirate treasure. It is not my fault that the Archies are pissed off at treasure hunters. I have already let the FDOT know of the general area of the dig site. Maybe I am making a lot of mistakes. We will see."

How is that piece of cake working out for you BDD?

 

[vor]

How is that piece of cake working out for you BDD?

Why do you feel compelled to belittle BDD? I believe you received a warning for your last post. This is his thread and his project. There are plenty of other threads here.

While I don't always agree with BDD's beliefs or methods I respect his right to voice them, as most do.

That said, I think you incorrectly read his statement.

BDD
Was Ovid Arnold your friends full name?
V

 

[lastleg]

Or was Ovid a nickname? If it was his birth name he may have had siblings with unusual names too.

 

[BeenThereDoneThat2]

Ovid

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Thanks for your concern Vor. I belive I am drawn to BDD because his total fath in Ovid.
As you may know, Ovid was the most important Roman poet that ever lived before he was a dowser.
Shakepere lifted a lot of his ideas and plots from the works of Ovid. BDD could fill you in on tha Vor.

 

[Bigdogdad]

I think we can clear up the Ovid 'mystery'. If BDD will provide the name of the NC town Ovid was from. That's it. Just the town/city.

I didn't know there was an "Ovid" mystery. I have nothing to hide. The town is Fuquay-Varina. Ovid was born in about 1900. He died in 1992. I only knew him as Ovid Arnold. I met his wife, daughter, and grandson. I stayed at his house and he stayed at mine. We traveled thousands of miles together over a period of three years.

 

[Bigdogdad]

...or the name of the "secretary on the phone" or the "someone high up in the Fisher group"or the someone who "heard of what Ovid did". Lack of verification keeps this in the realm of a tall tale and lore-name names.

I am not putting those names on here. Come to the barbecue. Maybe ECS is just a lore-name name himself. You may as well drop the subject on here.

 

[Bigdogdad]

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May 12, 2012 by: BigDogDad Quote BDD from post #3 this thread: "So needless to say we love pirates and treasure hunters. It should be a piece of cake to be able to dig up some pirate treasure. It is not my fault that the Archies are pissed off at treasure hunters. I have already let the FDOT know of the general area of the dig site. Maybe I am making a lot of mistakes. We will see." How is that piece of cake working out for you BDD?

It should have been a piece of cake but once you get the government involved we all know what happens. Someday I will have my cake and eat it too.

 

[ECS]

I am not putting those names on here... You may as well drop the subject on here.

That is the answer expected-So the subject is dropped and filed as MODERN LORE/ATOCHA DOWSING TALE/source:BDD.

 

[Bigdogdad]

That is the answer expected-So the subject is dropped and filed as MODERN LORE/ATOCHA DOWSING TALE/source:BDD.

Do you need some advice on where I recommend you stick your file?

 

[Salvor6]

ECS, BDD gave the same answer you usually give.

 

[lastleg]

F-V was famous for it's hot springs in 19th century. It's founder Fuqua was a schoolmaster before CW
duty. His wife was named Virginia but called herself Varina. Some wags continued to use her Christian
name to her displeasure. I am awaiting a full biography from someone on Ancestry.