Pirate Treasure-Trying to get a permit to dig up

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Bigcypresshunter said:
I dont know but I would like to know if BDDs man ever found anything in the past. That would be the first question I would ask him.

Is map dowsing and remote sensing the same?
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you make a good point as well...is it the map or the location that is in some kind of communication with the dowser?
 

Bigcypresshunter said:
I think he said the pipe was plugged with concrete.
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Was wondering if it had a plug over the top as most people don't go to the trouble of inserting the concrete. But then again if it was "back in the day" they may have done it that way.

Regardless, its a septic system.

BDD:
Does this reinforce your belief in "dowsing"? Or can you accept the fact that the depression you found was because someone dug up the sewer line to plug it? Not everyone recompacts their holes as you do.

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Bigcypresshunter said:
I dont know but I would like to know if BDDs man ever found anything in the past. That would be the first question I would ask him.

Is map dowsing and remote sensing the same?
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It is none of your business. As far as map dowsing and remote sensing, what difference does it make to you? You have posted on this and other threads about your lack of beliefs in all things LRL and dowsing, at least dozens of times. Your opinion on this has become meaningless to me.
 

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Bigcypresshunter said:
I dont think he is giving up.
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I am about to give up on responding to you all on this thread and am about to stop posting at all. It is easy for you all to sit on your butts in front of a computer and be the judge and jury of everything I do. If you all had seen the things that I have you might be singing a different tune. I am really getting tired of wasting my time dealing with you all. I really don't care what you think.


Do you know the difference between a optimistic cache hunter and a pessimistic cache hunter? The answer is - there is no such thing as a pessimistic cache hunter. They always come up with a reason not to dig.
 

BDD, don't give up posting. You have to understand where these people are coming from. You have made claims of many many treasure sites, using technology and techniques unfamiliar to most, you have posted mostly only difficulty or challenges at these sites, and of course no treasure. That has caused many to be skeptical, but you can't blame them.
 

Bigdogdad said:
It is none of your business. As far as map dowsing and remote sensing, what difference does it make to you?
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I wasnt talking to you. Whats your problem? I was asking Hot Zone. It was a serious question and I asked it nicely. I may not agree with all he has to say but Hot zone seems very knowlegable on the subject.
 

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Bigdogdad said:
I am about to give up on responding to you all on this thread and am about to stop posting at all. It is easy for you all to sit on your butts in front of a computer and be the judge and jury of everything I do. If you all had seen the things that I have you might be singing a different tune. I am really getting tired of wasting my time dealing with you all. I really don't care what you think.


Do you know the difference between a optimistic cache hunter and a pessimistic cache hunter? The answer is - there is no such thing as a pessimistic cache hunter. They always come up with a reason not to dig.
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I was sticking up for you by saying that you will never give up. My comment:
I dont think he is giving up.
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Now how is that offensive to you?


BTW how is your spider bite? I drove out to Cloud Mountain yesterday.
 

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The problem with communicating online is that you dont know when someone is serious or joking. You cannot tell the mood of the person and thus often misunderstood.

Well anyway my suggestion to try ESP was a serious one and my question directed to Hot zone as to the difference between remote sensing and map dowsing was also serious. Its an honest question.

Now my comments about brain waves bouncing off another galaxy was said in a joking manner and I typed the word joking in parenthesis.
 

signal said:
BDD, don't give up posting. You have to understand where these people are coming from. You have made claims of many many treasure sites, using technology and techniques unfamiliar to most, you have posted mostly only difficulty or challenges at these sites, and of course no treasure. That has caused many to be skeptical, but you can't blame them.
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I know exactly where those people are coming from. I have read their posts on other threads. ECS, BCH, VOR, lastleg- I have met these types throughout my life. I have no problem dealing with their kind in real life. The internet is a different thing.
They are set in their beliefs and I don't think anything will change their minds when it comes to certain subjects such as dowsing and LRL's. These two subjects have probably caused more arguments on TNET than anything else. They really aren't interested in learning about something they don't understand.

If they want to learn about dowsing all they have to do is go talk to the people that use it on a daily basis. Go to just about any plumbing company and ask them if they use clothes hangers or L-rods to consistently locate buried objects such as pipes and wires. They do it all the time with near 100% accuracy. You don't have to believe me as anyone can find this out by just asking. Go talk to surveyors. They have to locate buried objects all the time and I will guarantee you that they will have a set of rods in their tool selection. Go talk to the local county workers that have to locate underground utilities as part of their job. They will tell you that these rods work. They may not realize it is called dowsing because they don't care what it is called, they just know it works.

Now do you think vor, BCH, or lastleg have really checked into dowsing? I will guarantee you that they have not. Do you think that they have done any simple testing of dowsing with any of the types of workers that I have mentioned? I am sure the answer is no. I am guessing that the main reason none of them believe in something that thousands upon thousands of people practice daily as part of their job, is because either they read somewhere it doesn't work or they just don't want to have to admit they may be wrong.

Here is the thing about dowsing for treasure. Treasure is very hard to find. There may be a lot of it out there but for every pound of gold in the ground there is probably 100 tons of junk. Junk is everywhere. Dowsing can find buried objects but usually finds nothing but junk. The same can be said for metal detectors. 99.999% percent of the people using them for cache hunting (not loose coins or rings) find nothing but junk. Now you know the metal detectors work, but how often is a cache of gold or silver found. Rarely.

Sure, I make a lot of big claims. I have set myself up to be made to look like a fool. I have done this all my life but I usually come through and surprise the critics. Treasure finding has been the hardest thing I have ever attempted. I make it even harder for myself because I am not content to go after easy targets such as lost rings on the beach. The thing is I don't see too many people finding caches of treasure. When they do it seems to be by accident.

Unlike the critics on here I set out to test what works and what does not. When I told the electronic genius duo 20+ years ago what Ovid could do when it came to map dowsing and regular dowsing, they did not believe a word. They were two very smart guys and I wanted them to test Ovid. They devised a series of tests thinking he would fail. When he passed their tests they had to change their way of thinking. They set out to try to figure out how dowsing works as they saw it work with their own four eyes. Almost twenty years later they will still tell you that Ovid passed the tests and was the real deal. They even tried to hijack some of the treasure sites, with disastrous results. That's another story.

The church site is a great example of my failure to do a good job of trying to recover what may be there. I made many mistakes. One of them was that my Garrett detector was still reading for metal after us having tried to clean all the metal from the ground. There was undeniable evidence that someone had deliberately dug into the ground and filled the hole back in. Sure there were some old pipes there but I saw no real reason for what had been done. The fact is that my remote guy put me on this exact spot and he told me how deep to dig. I did not dig that deep even when the conventional (not Nokta) metal detector was going off. I was in charge and I did not do a good job of making sure that we found anything of value at that spot. I have some pretty good excuses but I am not using them. I proved nothing other than I did a bad job.

Now what do I do? Give up on this site because I found some junk? Rethink everything and try again under better circumstances? What do you all think I am going to do?
 

I said you would never give up. Its true. I suggested that if you really believe to go back and dig.

Yes I am not a big believer in dowsing but that doesnt mean I cant help. And when Hot zone gets back maybe he will answer my question. I think Hot zone is also trying to help.
 

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Bigcypresshunter said:
not a big believer in dowsing
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You are a huge disbeliever. You have posted on this thread and others that DOWSING DOES NOT WORK. You have NOTHING to back this up other than what you have read and chosen to believe on the internet. Constantly harping about this is not helping.
 

Bigdogdad said:
That s a big fat NOPE! Not in a sharing mood at the moment.
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Dont take this the wrong way but it would sure help us (myself, vor, lastleg, releventchair, ECS, signal and anybody else reading this thread) understand why you would trust him so much.
 

Bigdogdad said:
You are a huge disbeliever. You have posted on this thread and others that DOWSING DOES NOT WORK. You have NOTHING to back this up other than what you have read and chosen to believe on the internet. Constantly harping about this is not helping.
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What I meant is I have never seen or heard of an incident where dowsing has worked to find anything of real value that could be verified besides water or water pipes but truthfully I am willing to learn and thats why I am following this thread. If you think it will help i can keep my opinion to myself from now on about dowsing, its no problem.

Dont stop posting. I wouldnt want to be the reason for you to stop posting.
 

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