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Maybe you just need a better dowser.
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My "east coast friend" has a device that has a compass on the top. I have tried using it but had no consistency. Although he may not agree I think his device has an element of dowsing to it. I also don't think it is the best device for pinpointing the exact location of a buried object. It can get you close. His device has limitations.
We will be doing the first in-the-field test of an electronic long range locating device this Friday. What makes it different from all the others I have seen is that once you plug it into the ground and turn it on it has no human input. No rod or rods to hold and have cross. Strictly electronics outputting a signal in some way to detect the nearest buried gold. It has been partially explained to me how it works but it is over my head. Kind of like being told how a smart phone works. Don't want to know.
If I can stay focused (hard for me) long enough I think I just about have the whole buried treasure finding formula figured out. It will take a combination of many different elements. When I feel more inclined I will spell it all out on here.
ECS
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Maybe a trip to Cassadaga is called for.
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I went to Cassadaga, "Psychic Capital of the World", a long time ago. The psychic that I had a session with told me that I would become "rich beyond my wildest dreams". Sounds great! I'm ready. What's taking so long? Maybe I need to go back and get a second opinion.
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Take a soil sample from your current site.
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I just thought I would share this test with anyone reading this. A good way to test the skills of a dowser or someone with an LRL (long range locator) is this. Take them out in the ocean, Gulf of Mexico or a very large lake. Tell them to take you to the gold or silver. If they can lead you to a spot, get a GPS reading for the EXACT location and don't let them see it. Make sure they have no GPS device of their own to go by. Now take them at least a half mile or more away and then ask them to lead you back to the EXACT same spot using only their dowsing skills or thru the use of their LRL. This is IMPOSSIBLE to do unless their device works or their dowsing skills are for real as there are no landmarks for them to go by. Have them do it a couple of times from different directions and then see what happens.
The above mentioned scenario is what the Fisher crew out of FT Pierce did with Ovid Arnold back in the early 80's. I also put Ovid thru this test back around 1990. If your guy can do this then he may be the "Real Deal".
The above mentioned scenario is what the Fisher crew out of FT Pierce did with Ovid Arnold back in the early 80's. I also put Ovid thru this test back around 1990. If your guy can do this then he may be the "Real Deal".
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How do you know a GPS is not inside the LRL machine. Every smartphone seems to have a GPS inside. They even know the location of my PC. That would be a very tough test to pass without GPS.
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I guess if someone were trying to scam you on this test they could have a GPS hidden in their LRL, pocket or up their anus. You could search them if it made you (and them) feel better. I try to steer clear of scammers. I have only done this test one time. It was in 1990 with Ovid and we were on another persons boat. He had a Loran that recorded our locations. Ovid had no GPS or LRL, he accomplished it with a gold-filled brass cylinder on a piece of string, his pendulum.
Ovid with his favorite pendulum on the bank of the Cherokee River in North Carolina.ECS
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Does the Fisher Organization acknowledge Ovid Arnold and will they confirm this as actually having happened?
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Around two years ago I had someone that told me they heard about Ovid and what he did straight from a VERY prominent member of the Fisher group. Twenty five years ago Ovid told me the details of what happened and I wrote about it in great detail in my book "My Treasure Story". Ovid never got anything for what he did and seeing as how he died 23 years ago it is a moot point. The fact is Ovid stood on the bow of one of their boats and led them to silver near Ft Pierce and gold from the Atocha in the keys. You can choose to believe it or not. Mel Fisher was willing to try just about anything to find the gold. It is common knowledge that he tried dowsers. Ovid had no direct contact with Mel. ECS-feel free to try and make a big deal out of this and prove me wrong.
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Of course they could and I understand you want to stay away from scammers but when you are testing to find a good machine with an honest operator, you need to keep in mind that the LRL world is full of scammers. (in case you didnt know) Some of the LRL inventors have admitted later in life that they were not being honest or they were just caught up in a case of wishful thinking.. So a different test may be needed since the purpose of the test is to weed out the scammers and wannabes.
I gotta run. My friend passed away who managed the Indian store. So Im headed to the reservation to attend the celebration of life and spreading of her ashes.
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In your relating of the Ovid Arnold story, you allude that Ovid, by dowsing, discovered the ATOCHA, that was found in 1985, and the debris field was already established. So if standing on the bow of a boat that was following the debris trail, that probability of stating that gold and silver is below is much higher than chance.
Without reliable confirmation outside of your statements, this is considered as lore.
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I have never dealt with anybody that was looking to get any money from me and seeing as how I don't really have any it would do them no good to try to scam me. They have all been looking for a share of anything found using their machine on sites I have access to. I know the world is full of scammers of all types as I deal with Craigslist on a daily basis. The test on a boat is a great one. If a person can stand on the bow of a boat with their device to lead you to a gold site it is up to you to tell if they are cheating in some way. If you are not paying them anything what would be their motivation to lie to you? Maybe you can ask them if you can look inside their device and then have them strip naked so you can search them to make sure they are not trying to trick you. I avoid scammers and scammers avoid me.
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I NEVER said or implied that Ovid discovered the Atocha. He led them to a large pile of gold from the Atocha. As far as standing on the bow of a boat following a debris field goes, I am not an expert but I would assume debris fields can stretch for miles. Ovid was taken to the keys on a boat out of Ft Pierce. He stood on the bow of the boat and pointed in the direction they needed to go. He led them to an EXACT spot. When they were DIRECTLY over the gold he the told them so. They took him off a mile or so and he led them back to the EXACT same spot. They did this from six different directions. There is no "chance" involved here. They did not dive on this location until much later. The buoy anchor they marked the EXACT spot with was sitting on a pile of gold.
As far as your statement about reliable confirmation outside of my statements goes, I could not really care much less what you believe. I am not on trial here. I do not have to prove anything. You have been harassing me for over two years now and you have proven nothing other than you are a pain in my @##. You may not even be a real person as you have refused any and all attempts to meet with me or any of the other real treasure hunters that meet yearly at the cookout on the east coast. Without reliable confirmation that you are a real person, you are considered lore.
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I really like this part!
aquanaut, can you confirm what he says about Ovid? Don't know if you have access to Mel
Fisher records. I remember following the search via treasure mags back then but don't know
if a book or professional record was published. Any source info would be helpful minus the
heresay. I am assuming you know a lot about treasure diving. It was my understanding at
the time of the Atoka recovery Mel was relying on research from Spanish archives that nailed
down the likely area to search.
Thanks for your input.
Fisher records. I remember following the search via treasure mags back then but don't know
if a book or professional record was published. Any source info would be helpful minus the
heresay. I am assuming you know a lot about treasure diving. It was my understanding at
the time of the Atoka recovery Mel was relying on research from Spanish archives that nailed
down the likely area to search.
Thanks for your input.
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Initial research in archives and records had stated that Atocha had sank off the "last Key of Matecumbe"...
This threw them off...
Then it was Eugene Lyon who found evidence that the ship actually sunk near Marquesas Keys...
20 miles west of Key West.
This threw them off...
Then it was Eugene Lyon who found evidence that the ship actually sunk near Marquesas Keys...
20 miles west of Key West.
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No aquanaut will not be able to confirm what I said. Because of the circumstances I doubt it will be on any official record. You will just have to believe me. What am I saying? There is a small group on here that obviously does not believe ANYTHING I SAY. Why does what I have to say bother some of you all so much? Mel had LOTS of people work for him and LOTS of people that got involved over a period of MANY years. He used dowsers, psychics and who knows what else. Get over it. It happened like I said. None of it matters now. I guess because some of you are so anti-dowsing you will refuse to believe ANYTHING connected in anyway to ANYTHING you don't understand, which is probably a lot.
I have had an open invitation for any Treasurenet member to come check things out first-hand. A few have. Watch me try out someone using an LRL and then make your decision about it, otherwise your opinion means NOTHING! I repeat, NOTHING!
ECS-You have tried to debunk every treasure story I have mentioned on here. All you have done is had to wipe the egg off your face while eating crow.
German sub 853 treasure-you ended up corroborating my story more than anything.
North Carolina pot-of-gold-You claimed it couldn't have happened because of track size-wrong again.
Alligator Alley-made fun of the term "Cloud Mountain" and then found out it is a well known name.
Rocky Bluff- said it couldn't be but found evidence that it could have happened.
ECS- I suggest you quit while you are behind.
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Here read for yourselves...
THIS IS THE story...
This will answer any and all "myth" here...
The Search Begins Story Of Mel Fisher The wrecks of the Spanish treasure fleets
THIS IS THE story...
This will answer any and all "myth" here...
The Search Begins Story Of Mel Fisher The wrecks of the Spanish treasure fleets
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