Opinions on this KGC "Vault"

[swiftsearcher]

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Beale - thanks MUCH for the story! You might be on to something. As I have stated before, I can only theorize about the "vault", until actually inside myself. Is there anything in your research Beale, to indicate Beale had a Templar or Masonic link? If so, he might have known of a vault that already existed - that he knew was a safe haven for the treasure - just a thought.

Rebel, I have two old copies of Swift Journals I have followed from the beginning and have been correct in locations (I also have all the others that have been printed and some more - they basically agree in their structure, with one being William's and one being John's). There is definitely some allegory going on in the John Journals (which are all much longer than William's).

 

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[Rebel - KGC]

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FUNNY, you should mention that, Ss! ONE theory re. the BEALE TREASURE, "Thomas Jefferson Beale", was an ANAGRAM for... FREEMASON SAFE HOLE! beale may know MORE... BTW, the VARIOUS "first names", MAY be a "clue" of DIFFERENT "pirate"
FIRST names... with SWIFT, just being a "company" name, and to do things SWIFTLY... DUNNO.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

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beale is correct... ya'll MAY wanna get his CD book.. it IS good. beale, I do not know how to "cut & paste", and do not have "dig cam", to take "pics" of interest. I DO know that FREEMASON SAFE HOLE was "posted" on Ron's web-site, I think. If we're gonna get into BEALE TREASURE now, FreeMason "link" with Thomas J. Beale was when he is called CAPTAIN; in the Royal
Arch FreeMasonry... we have as an "officer": CAPTAIN OF THE HOST. NOW! ANOTHER theory about
Thomas J. Beale, is... he was JEAN LaFITTE, a PIRATE! HA! For "Swift's" Treasure(s) in Tennessee, learn to understand SPANISH "Treasure Signs" (HAWKEYE'S); EXTREME SW Virgina/Kentucky, SAME, plus MASONIC, PIRATES, ALL of it... you will understand, "over time". BTW, beale is VERY "knowledgable"
about the SWIFT SILVER MINES, and has been "on-the-ground". I suspected, there WAS a "link" between SWIFT SILVER MINES, BEALE/BEALL TREASURE, CSA TREASURY, & KGC DEPOSITORY... ONE of the FOUR QUEENS. Cosmo-wolff SHOULD be here to explain MORE! About what he KNOWS...

 

[Shortstack]

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Rebel, to cut and paste simply highlight the info you want to move by holding the left button down while moving the cursor along the info until you have everything you want then release the button, and right click on it then left click "copy" from the drop down menu. Than puts the info onto the 'puter's "clipboard". Go to the document where you want to insert the info and left click where you want the info to start; then right click on the document and left click "paste" on the drop down menu. There, you've cut and pasted something. Each time you do that it'll over write the previous "cut". You can do that with info you want to paste to the forum's reply posting tools. If you want to put together info in a file, "paste" the info into a Note Pad file.

Change of subject: As a bit of extra information, the pirate Lafitte's BROTHER ran a slave smuggling operation, on the side of other stuff. One of his "sales" locations was in what is today's Louisiana in Vidalia. He would take the slaves across the Mississippi River to buyers in what is today, Mississippi; in ARE YOU READY FOR THIS, Natchez. I believe someone mentioned a high up in the KGC living in the Natchez area---before he became the first (or ONE of the first) governors of the state of Mississippi. I will also point out that there were more millionaires, per capita, in the Natchez area, before the CW, than anyother area of the US.

 

[swiftsearcher]

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I don't want to take this thread of SS into another Beale Treasure thread but there is diffinitely connections to the vault SS maybe trying to reopen. I was wrong about the river that Castle Comfort was in, it was in the York River. Beale was a member of the Life Guards of King Charles II and came to Virginia when that he returned to England at the Restoration and brought back a letter to the then Governor of Virginia, Sir William Berkeley where upon Captain Beale became Lt. Colonel Beale over Castle Comfort (Domestic Entry Book Charles II, Vol. 31, Page 11 at Richmond, Virginia) Also that he was made a Lt. Colonel (Sainsburg Mss, Va. State Library) Beale distinguished himself at the Siege of Pontrifract Castle and was wounded. He owned very large plantations in Santa Cruz, Virgin Islands, which were called "JERUSALEM and PARADISE." Hope this helps you SS.

Beale, I really appreciate your information and will be in touch tomorrow (reading some posts before bed now). I will see what kind of books you have and gladly buy one or all, as it seems you are onto something (maybe even the same road my investigations are leading!). BTW - don't worry where this thread leads to Beale - it is DEFINITELY going to lead away from the KGC as we know it! If it leads to tie in with Beale (which I believe personally it does, as does other treasure legends and some "fictional" books, such as TREASURE ISLAND), then so be it!

You helped very much indeed Beale - especially the part about Beale's plantations being called "JERUSALEM and PARADISE"! There are a handful who believe I am crazy. However, my investigations (in the field and research online/books/etc.) have all led me to believe one must study the Bible and the Tribes of Israel (Jacob, not the country) to piece this together. This either points to the US being the "New Jerusalem" THE EVER LIVING GOD promised or the NWO that was promised in Revelation for the FALSE Christ to rule. This one is hard to figure out, as the Biblical aspect seems Holy. However, there were definitely some shady figures involved (and still involved).

On an interesting side note. I was researching the Rothschilds today (again( for a few hours. Guess how they store their HUNDREDS OF TRILLIONS IN GOLD?.........................in an underground VAULT!

 

[swiftsearcher]

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Rebel, to cut and paste simply highlight the info you want to move by holding the left button down while moving the cursor along the info until you have everything you want then release the button, and right click on it then left click "copy" from the drop down menu. Than puts the info onto the 'puter's "clipboard". Go to the document where you want to insert the info and left click where you want the info to start; then right click on the document and left click "paste" on the drop down menu. There, you've cut and pasted something. Each time you do that it'll over write the previous "cut". You can do that with info you want to paste to the forum's reply posting tools. If you want to put together info in a file, "paste" the info into a Note Pad file.

Change of subject: As a bit of extra information, the pirate Lafitte's BROTHER ran a slave smuggling operation, on the side of other stuff. One of his "sales" locations was in what is today's Louisiana in Vidalia. He would take the slaves across the Mississippi River to buyers in what is today, Mississippi; in ARE YOU READY FOR THIS, Natchez. I believe someone mentioned a high up in the KGC living in the Natchez area---before he became the first (or ONE of the first) governors of the state of Mississippi. I will also point out that there were more millionaires, per capita, in the Natchez area, before the CW, than anyother area of the US.

You are correct Shortstack. Natchez was home to many Jewish Masons involved in the lucrative slave trade of the day!

 

[Shortstack]

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You are correct Shortstack. Natchez was home to many Jewish Masons involved in the lucrative slave trade of the day!

There's another bit of info that might bear a little follow up. A rouge named Phillip Nolan passed through Natchez many times on his trips into Old Mexico and New Spain. He was known to be involved in any interprize that could bring him a profit. On one of his stopovers in Natchez, he was introduced to a young beauty who stole his heart. He began to spend more and more time in Natchez instead of tending to "business". The young lady's father didn't want Nolan anywhere around his daughter and made no bones about it. Well, Nolan got the idea that if he could buy a local property and establish a plantation of his own, the girl's daddy would look more favorably on him. To get the money, Phillip Nolan decided to make one more trip into the Texas area and round up horses and cattle to drive back to the Mississippi territory and sell at a great profit. The story goes that the girl's daddy sent word to the Mexican authorities of Nolan's plans and they set an ambush for him and his group. You see, Phillip Nolan had a bad rep in Old Mexico and the Mexicans wanted him badly. Nolan never returned from that trip and when word came back to Natchez of his death, she was heartbroken.

Don't confuse this "Phillip Nolan" with the Phillip Nolan: Man Without a Country figure. That book was a work of fiction and the author who wrote it chose the name of his main character by chance. The book that mentions the Phillip Nolan of Natchez (and other locations) was written by a Freedman who lived in Natchez and was a barber during that time. The book is A Barber in Natchez. I don't remember the author's name. This author was writing about life around him during a time back before Mississippi became a state and on into the time after statehood. This is the source book where I found the info about Lafitte's brother running slaves into Natchez from Vidalia, across the river in Spanish Territory.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

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Keeping it to "The Vault"... adding the "Beale Story"; Thomas J. Beale
DID say something about "A NEW ENTERPRISE", in the "Job Print" (aka THE BEALE PAPERS...
"google" it). I think Capt. Beale/Beall & Co. traveled the "Natchez Trace"; they DID go to Santa Fe...

 

[swiftsearcher]

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Keeping it to "The Vault"... adding the "Beale Story"; Thomas J. Beale
DID say something about "A NEW ENTERPRISE", in the "Job Print" (aka THE BEALE PAPERS...
"google" it). I think Capt. Beale/Beall & Co. traveled the "Natchez Trace"; they DID go to Santa Fe...

Is the Natchez Trace along or near the Arkansas River? Beale and his men did help build the first US Fort on the Arkansas and did go up the Arkansas to near Pueblo, Colorado where they were met again by the Spanish and taken to Sante Fe. They returned home down the Platte and Missouri Rivers to St. Louis. This was before the entire party's first trip in 1818, either in 1812 or 1814---most likely 1814 because they were near Denver, Colorado in the Spring of 1815.

Thanks SS, I do a lot of research. I have so much I can not sort all of the information out. All the treasures I research on cross reference information over into the others at some point. So there is a lot said when Rebel says, the Beale Treasure, CSA Treasury and Swift Silver Mines all are intermixed with the KGC and the Knight's Templar.

Beale, you sound like myself in the organization part of things. I have research on many treasures other than Swift. In fact, Ralph is coming down in a couple weeks simply to help me organize my maps! Again, I believe you are correct - there are MANY "crossovers" between these treasure legends - which is pointing to a "vault" of somekind in more than one area! Beale, from my research, it seems these vaults were here before Swift and Beale. I believe there is some "connection" here with the Templars and their knowledge and exploits in this country. Then, we can go even further back in time, as to this "knowledge" that the Templars had, which probably relates to these sites in and around Solomon's time. It seems this "knowledge" has been passed down through certain "initiates" over the course of hundreds of years - then we get to the KGC (and even "watchers" today).

Rebel - funny you mention Beale's "Enterprise", as Swift refers to this word quite a bit regarding his affairs at sea and with the "Scots"! This "Enterprise" might be one and the same! I believe it is not only hiding precious metals, but Religious artifacts and "knowledge" inside these vaults!

As with regards to SWR's latest post, as R. Lee Ermey would say, "I smell Bullsh*t!".

 

[swiftsearcher]

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Keeping it to "The Vault"... adding the "Beale Story"; Thomas J. Beale
DID say something about "A NEW ENTERPRISE", in the "Job Print" (aka THE BEALE PAPERS...
"google" it). I think Capt. Beale/Beall & Co. traveled the "Natchez Trace"; they DID go to Santa Fe...

Is the Natchez Trace along or near the Arkansas River? Beale and his men did help build the first US Fort on the Arkansas and did go up the Arkansas to near Pueblo, Colorado where they were met again by the Spanish and taken to Sante Fe. They returned home down the Platte and Missouri Rivers to St. Louis. This was before the entire party's first trip in 1818, either in 1812 or 1814---most likely 1814 because they were near Denver, Colorado in the Spring of 1815.

Thanks SS, I do a lot of research. I have so much I can not sort all of the information out. All the treasures I research on cross reference information over into the others at some point. So there is a lot said when Rebel says, the Beale Treasure, CSA Treasury and Swift Silver Mines all are intermixed with the KGC and the Knight's Templar.

Beale, you sound like myself in the organization part of things. I have research on many treasures other than Swift. In fact, Ralph is coming down in a couple weeks simply to help me organize my maps! Again, I believe you are correct - there are MANY "crossovers" between these treasure legends - which is pointing to a "vault" of somekind in more than one area! Beale, from my research, it seems these vaults were here before Swift and Beale. I believe there is some "connection" here with the Templars and their knowledge and exploits in this country. Then, we can go even further back in time, as to this "knowledge" that the Templars had, which probably relates to these sites in and around Solomon's time. It seems this "knowledge" has been passed down through certain "initiates" over the course of hundreds of years - then we get to the KGC (and even "watchers" today).

Rebel - funny you mention Beale's "Enterprise", as Swift refers to this word quite a bit regarding his affairs at sea and with the "Scots"! This "Enterprise" might be one and the same! I believe it is not only hiding precious metals, but Religious artifacts and "knowledge" inside these vaults!

As with SWR's latest post, as R. Lee Ermey would say, "I smell Bullsh*t!".

SS Hold on to your King Solomon connection. I believe that is your best lead. There are ancient cities being found in Kentucky with temples and writing on pillars, stones with steps and tombs. Myself I believe that is the Mulungeon connection, they were left behind working King Solomon Mines when ties and connections to this part of the world was severed. Have you seen any remnants of a city nearby, if not look more closely and spread out your search for a couple miles in every direction. There was an ancient city near Lexington, Kentucky that covered a few square miles--------not built by Indians.

Beale, We seem to have a lot in common in our beliefs. In regards to the Melungeons being left behind from the Solomon mining - my research has also pointed to this and, it was what I was attacked for by vamelungeon as well. I believe the Phoenicians tie into this Solomon's Mine/Melungeon connection. VAmelungeon stated that Melungeons were Purtuguese and NOT Phoenician. However, they ARE Portuguese, Spanish and many other races as well, and what I pointed out to vamelungeon was the HISTORICAL FACT that the Phoenicians RULED Portugal for nearly 800 years - there HAS to be some Phoenician "connection" with the Portuguese, as you know there was a mixing of the races, as well as cultures during an 800 year rule!

People can state "conspiracy, blah-blah" all they want, but things DO ADD UP that aren't "normal". Also, an interesting fact that I have noticed is that while I was under the strict impression of Swift ONLY here to mine, nothing. Now, in addition to several weird happenings in the field and home, I was contacted by a multi-national mining corporation last Saturday from their Canadian office. It was a rather weird call, in that the person asked if this was my phone and hung up. I tried calling back, but I didn't have the party's extension, so I was sent to a voice recording to enter in various numbers for different departments, etc. Thank THE EVER LIVING GOD for caller ID (plus, I have my phone arranged where if someone blocks their number, they cannot get through), as I was able to identify the company and have their number. Their website is below. I cannot figure out why they contacted me (or how they acquired my number) in the first place? I also cannot figure out why they (sounded like a secretary on the line) simply asked if this was MY number and hung up?

http://minex.izfas.com.tr/indexx.php?f=4e6d29fe900a4c136ab97a86aa8f3f84&l=2

Beale, one last thing. You are "right on the money" with your Solomon connection to this! That is where my site is pointing, especially in the field, where many carved rocks are simply too ancient to be from Swift's time or even Templar time. It is only a theory of mine, as I don't have enough evidence to substantiate it 110% YET, but I believe these "vaults" were established during Solomon's mining, known by the Melungeons who helped mine and probably even stayed here to guard these sites, then passed down through ancient records/traditions to a select few. The Templars probably came across this information while excavatting the Temple Mount and passed the information down to the Scottish Rite then on to select Freemasons and KGC and even modern initiates. One "funny" thing I noticed when I researched vamelungeon that I was not aware of is how MANY Melungeons of present are tied to the Masons and other "secret" organizations. They seem to be far from the "mountain dwellers" we are led to believe! Plus, many seemed to know where to acquire ore for counterfeiting - this is a proven fact through court records of the 1800's and anyone researching Swift's Mines has probably come across this fact.

 

[swiftsearcher]

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King Solomon, Yes. I don't agree however with the JJ portion of the Knights of the Golden Circle but I do believe there are several very large treasures to be found.

Beale, I couldn't agree with you more. MUCH of the JJ "stuff" related to the KGC is VERY MUDDY to say the least. Especially since you have so many people who claimed to have been him and now have many more claimed to have been related to him. One could spend a lifetime simply trying to figure out who the real JJ was!

Another interesting note about Solomon and his connection to this is: If you have noticed through your research as I have, that many of the ancient sites where Israelite carvings/coins/inscriptions/etc. have been found in this country that date to the time of Solomon are in the areas where the KGC supposedly had vaults as well!? These sites with a Solomon/KGC connection seem to form a "Half-Moon" in the US - from the Appalachians, Southward and West to the Four Corners area! Swift researchers will notice a connection between the Swift Journals and the "half-moon", as Swift mentions at least two "half-moon" rockhouses in various versions of his journals. Plus, near the "vault", there is a very large rock that has been cut down to now have a flat surface (blackish looking on the top) that forms a half-moon! I am certain this rock has a link to the Swift Journals. However, could it have a link to the overall master plan - a half-moon of vaults in the United States? Or, could it have other meanings? I would love to hear anyone's thoughts on this. Also, I don't feel like posting it here. However, if any of you want to see a pic of this half-moon rock, feel free to e-mail me at joejackson1919@comcast.net and I will be happy to send you a pic of it. I just don't want some of the "fishermen" here to see this one, if you know what I mean.

 

[swiftsearcher]

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L37...you were right.

Please come back!

Glad to see L37 could get something right, as he kept confusing the West Mine and Rich Mine directions from the Swift Journals in his threads where he "found" the mines on a topo map (and, the locations of the mines are the same from journal to journal)!

 

[Texas Jay]

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In order to get to the truth about Jesse Woodson James, one has to learn to determine which information came from Jesse W. James and which was embellishment added by Orvus Lee Howk (alias Jesse Lee James and Jesse James III) and Del Schrader. That is certainly not an easy task but it is well worth spending hours reading correspondence from Howk and Schrader as I have done in our study at BBAM group. Another little twist to the true story is Capt. Jason W. James who was Jesse's and Frank's first cousin, one of Quantrill's Guerrillas, admitted KGC member, and a Texas Ranger after the War stationed in Brown County, Texas.
~Texas Jay
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bloodybillandersonmystery

 

[Rebel - KGC]

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"Conspiracy phobia", eh? Not ALL "conspiracy" is bad, ya know... The "CONSPIRACY" of the colonies, wanting to be free from BRIT rule; the "CONSPIRACY" of German and/or French resistance
against German NAZI rule; "CONSPIRACY" of "black" ppl (aka African-Americans) wanting to have THEIR "civil rights", and BEFORE that... WOMEN RIGHTS; SWR, you even have a "CONSPIRACY" going yourself... to PO ppl, doing INDEPENDENT research BEYOND "official records", so YOU can "fish" for SECRET WEALTH RECOVERY.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

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LOL... There you go, AGAIN!

 

[Texas Jay]

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Beale, until you are able to get your facts straight about Jesse Woodson James, perhaps it's best if you stick with the Beale research and study up on the KGC. First off, they claim that Jesse James was shot in the back of the head by Bob Ford not "shot in the back" and the grave they claim was Jesse James was exhumed in 1995 - not "1985". While I don't agree with Betty Duke on everything, she gives the best overall analysis of the tainted Starr's exhumation in 1995.

http://www.jessejamesintexas.com/dna.htm

That is not what I call a professional exhumation or DNA testing process.
~Texas Jay

 

[lastleg]

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SWR:

Looks like you can put away your tuxedo. These guys aren't likely to invite
you to the Grand Opening. If you decide to crash the party better bring along
a sturdy folding chair as it will be standing room only.

lastleg

 

[Shortstack]

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Mr. beale, the Natchez Trace runs from Natchez, Mississippi, northeastward to Nashville, Tennessee. In an old book, several years ago, I saw a crude map that had a route labelled as "Nolan's Trace" that ran East and West through Natchez, MS. Phillip Nolan was reputed to "run" cattle and horses back and forth across the south; buying(?) and selling herds. He got on the bad side of the Mexican authorities with some questionable horse dealing and that's why they were so anxious to ambush him when his girlfriends daddy got word to them that he'd be coming their way.

Naturally, you, Rebel, and Swiftsearcher may be wondering why I brought up Phillip Nolan on this thread. Well, Nolan moved a lot of money around in his travels. He went into and out of Mexico and New Mexico repeatedly. Could he have been a courier for someone? Someone moving a lot of money around and using Nolan's travels as cover? Could he have been Quitman's courier? The area around Natchez and up and down the Trace was filled with penny-ante thieves. Nolan was in a class of his own.

As far as Jesse James, I saw a good program on the HISTORY Channel about his "death". Reports of people on scene when his Mama first got to his body said that the first thing she said was, "That's not Jesse." Then, shortly afterward, she went on like it WAS JJ, but she had no tears in her eyes. There are folks who firmly believe that a hanger-on of JJ's gang look alot like him and when the guy screwed the gang, Jesse decided to use him as a sacrificial lamb to give himself a chance to make a new start.

 

[Kentucky Kache]

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I don't know if the grave in MO. is that of the real JJ or not, but Starrs' forensic bumbling was a big joke. They went in to proov "their" belief, and they got all they needed to convince those who were already convinced. The truth is still out there somewhere.

 

[Kentucky Kache]

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I don't know if the grave in MO. is that of the real JJ or not, but Starrs' forensic bumbling was a big joke. They went in to proov "their" belief, and they got all they needed to convince those who were already convinced. The truth is still out there somewhere.

That's ok...you're the guy running around saying we didn't put a man on the moon, too. I believe you'd argue with a stick...if'n you had the chance

Okay stick, I'm tired of arguing. If you can't keep to the topic, then keep out of it. No argument.