Opinions on this KGC "Vault"

[Rebel - KGC]

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YET! It gets BETTER! Chief Doublehead? Got a "pic"? Ponder on THIS...
GOLDEN Eagle was/is "SACRED BIRD" of Native American (aka "Indians); NOW! SCOTTISH RITE in FreeMasonry has DOUBLE-headed EAGLE, as "emblem"... looking BOTH ways! FURTHER... is the BALD Eagle chosen as USA "SACRED BIRD" - ONE head... ONE "time" (here & now... in-the-presence);
NOW! So, is it POSSIBLE that the SCOT. COMP. that Swift alluded to, is a "Scottish Rite" back then?
POSSIBLE, in MY opinion; would be NEAT... if we could "link" Swift & Co., Scot. Comp., etc.
BTW, as I type this... I look at my S.R. Ring... looks MORE like GOLDEN EAGLES; OR... PHOENIX (2 heads, one body)... "Google" PHOENIX.

 

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[Goodyguy]

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Dear Goodyguy;
You wrote:
And you have a source of validation or extraordinary proof for this extraordinary claim?
You seem so sure of it that perhaps you possess some incontrovertible proof. Or is your statement just based on emotion or wishful thinking?

My question is, can you provide some incontrovertible proof to the contrary, my friend? And therein lies the Pandora's Box. It's difficult to proof the legitimacy of an actual action, simply because no one would ever think they would need to require proof of such an action. It would be akin to stating "Can you provide proof that you purchased that televesion set on 12 March 1971?"

The set was legally and lawfully purchased, the receipt filed away and eventually disgarded sometime after the warranty expired. This does not mean that the TV set was not legally purchased my friend. It merely means that receipt of purchase no longer rexists.

On the other edge of the sword, very rarely does someone keep a comprehensive record of illegal activity, therefore those records most probably do not exist either.

I personally believe that there exists isolated treasure caches from the Civil War era, mostly due to widespread distrust in the banking system and no firm knowledge of future events, therefore many Southern landowners and people of means cached their valuables until the future seemed brighter. And in doing so, many times the caches were lost, or the original owner passed away before recovering the cache, etc.

However, I do not believe there was a concerted effort by a shadowy group to cache large sums of valuables in order to overthrow the federal government at sometime in the future. Events simply do not unfold this way and people are simply incapable of organizing themselves in such a coherent manner.

It just doesn't add up my friend. If the South had any real source of wealth, they could have purchased weapons and thus extended, and very possibly won the Civil War. After all, they were killing Northerners at a rate of about 3 to 1, however they lost the war of attrition, and the reason why they lost is because they ran out of funds to feed the war machine.

Mampower was not an issue with the Southerners, my friend. Most Southerners were from an agricultural society and therefore large families were the norm instead of the exception. After five years of hard fighting, the South would have been able to field 75-80% of their total original number of forces. On the other hand, after the same five years of fighting, the North would have only been able to field 35-50% of it's original number.

After five years of campaigning, the Southern military ground to a halt because it could no longer afford to field an Army. Fielding troops was never a serious long-term issue for the South, yet feeding and equipping those troops was. When the South could no longer feed and equip it's forces, it was effectively beaten and the war was over.
Your friend;
LAMAR

Yes you are absolutely right! However if someone keeps asking for that kind of proof shouldn't they also be held to the same standard when they themselves make a statement claiming positive knowledge that a certain act did not take place?


GG~

 

[Hoss KGC]

Some questions for SWR

Since SWR does not believe in the conspiracy theories, I have some questions for you if you care to answer them.

-Did the KGC exist or did they not?
-If they did exist, what was their purpose?
-If they did exist, how many do you suppose were in the organization at their peak?
-If they did exist, did they hide wealth or did they not?
-If they did exist, did they carve trees, carve rocks, create pointer trees, bury metal markers, etc. ?
-If they did, why did they do it?
-If they didn't, who do you suppose did? or do you think anybody actually did?

Thanks,
Boattow

 

[Rebel - KGC]

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bt, will get yer answers, soon. beale, how ya doing? TWO different "issues"; a "carving" reputed to be Chief DOUBLEHEAD, and the "history" of him & his family as related to you (descendant). Ss, asked me about the double face carving, and I told him to look up
JANUS... NO "reflection" on Chief DOUBLEHEAD, and your explanation may have "settled" the HISTORICAL aspect of Chief DOUBLEHEAD, which I know LITTLE about. TY, for that. Native ppl called us ROUND EYES; we
ALL have WHITE EYES... I know the "suspense" of "opening the VAULT" is "getting to ppl". Blowing it open is NOT recommended, due to POSSIBLE injuries to self, others, "treasure(s)"; and the "unwanted", "unwelcomed" attention drawn to the site. Remember what happened, when Clayton
Hart used dyamite on that oak tree, looking for the Beale Treasure? The natives of Bedford County
were GREATLY po'ed, armed themselves, and waited for the TH'ers to return... HA!
Ss MAY have already "entered" The VAULT, by SOME things, he has "posted"... DUNNO.

 

[Texas Jay]

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Hi Rebel. I agree with you about "blowing" the vault open. It is not only extremely dangerous but it also destroys very important historical evidence in the process. Not to mention, some depositories have explosive traps set in them to guard against intruders. This could double or triple the size of the blast and would likely ruin all entrances to the depository's levels where the treasure should be. It could also destroy priceless artifacts and documents from ancient times which could also be in some of these depositories. I totally oppose the destruction or moving of any carvings, signs, or other historically important features of these sites. Since it has already been determined that there is a rock "death trap" behind the main entrance to this vault, blasting away the "door" would only cause the huge boulders and rocks to come down and, once again, this entrance would be sealed and possibly sealed even more tightly than it is now. I am convinced, through discussions with people experienced with these depositories, that there is always one "safe" entrance into them. These were used by the KGC to either add to the depositories or to withdraw articles from them without endangering themselves. It may take more time to finally locate this entrance but at least it can be entered safely once it is found and nothing in the depository will be destroyed in the process. It seems the only ones who are in a rush to gain entrance are the ones who claim there is nothing there to begin and who have no experience at all in searching for anything related to the KGC so, sure, they are trying to goad those of us who have some experience into making careless and even fatal errors in judgment. These are the same people who claim that we are "paranoid" because of what we see with our own eyes and experience on a regular basis in our lives. I assure them that I am not paranoid but I am extremely cautious and prepared when I need to be. I have been in some very dangerous places and occupations in my lifetime and I did not get here by being careless or fearful to extreme. Personally, I do not fear those who want what I am searching for. I don't care how much money they have behind them and I don't care who they work for. When they are messing around in MY business, I will take whatever means necessary to protect myself, my partners, and our rights to legally go about our work.
~Texas Jay

 

[truckinbutch]

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Great post , Jay !
For the lurkers , naysayers , and fishers :
It's not in the rules that we have to share JACK with you . We will move at our own pace as noninvasively as possible and keep personal safety foremost in our minds .
This year , next year , or whenever ....... All that go in will return with the same number of fingers and toes that they went in with .
Jim

 

[Shortstack]

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Mr. beale, et al, if you truly believe there is nothing to the cache Swiftsearcher is documenting, then why the h-- are you in such a rush? If you're that anxious, go find your own project and work IT. The team handling this project is doing exactly what they need to do. Slow and steady not only wins the race, but lets the racers survive to celebrate crossing the finishline. In today's national security atmosphere, can you imagine the kind of response a large, unexplainable explosion would bring about? It'd be like a wave of Army ants rolling over the hills.

Also, any destructive action on one site could destroy coded leads to ANOTHER site since these places could very well be tied in together in more ways than one.

And as a last point for now; blowing a site such as this could destroy important HISTORICAL artifacts and information.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

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Thus sezs, the FISHER KING!

 

[lastleg]

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RebelKGC:

Sez is singular.

lastleg

 

[swiftsearcher]

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Chief Doublehead. SS is comparing him to Janus. Rebel wants to say it is two heads of the Chief making him something that Chief Doublehead is not. I am related along the way to Chief Doublehead and his Princess daughter, Cornblossom. First of all the reason, Chief Doublehead had that name given to him was because he liked to get intoxicated and stone drunk. When in this state of intoxication, all he wanted to do was to kill the white eyes, but when sober the chief got along fine with everyone----thus the name Doublehead or two minded.

As for the Scottish Rites and all of the biblical records being brought out among a host of other speculations would not it be more simple to open up the vault if there is one and see what is inside. You say SS that your kin owns the property, if you can not safely open the vault, get a case or two of dynamite and blow it open. Too much speculation for me. I have witnessed similar when I treasure hunted with other people---they become almost paranoid---someone is watching from every tree and rock and with every passing plane, helicopter or automobile----they are watching to get my treasure. I had an Indian telling me when I visited him to park in the back parking lot of his hotel room---he said the Feds had put up a survillance camera in the front of his room. Oh Boy is that a good one. All I can say is bull----. Open up whatever you have and stop guessing. Even the rocks and cliffs are now taking shape and telling you that you have found something wonderful. All I can say dig, blow a hole in the rock and it will end the speculation and the paranoia.

I REALLY wish people would learn to read and quit putting words into my mouth! I compared a carving to Janus. I then theorized that Doublehead was associated with the Swift Legend allegorically - with another meaning - NOT that Doublehead was Janus! This is simply LUDICROUS to state that I stated this!

As for your suggestion to blow the "vault" up with dynamite, this is so Ludicrous a suggestion Beale that I will not even honor your statement with a response! If this was as easy as some of you make it out, I would already be inside - geeeeeeeez!

 

[swiftsearcher]

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For those in the discussion here. Take a look at this ancient coin I found on eBay. This coin sticks out, as it has all the symbology I have been talking about from the ancient Israelites to the Templars to the Masons to the KGC! This coin has it all!


http://cgi.ebay.com/IONIA-Ephesos-3...mdZViewItemQQptZAU_Coins2?hash=item53dd1808bf

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

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Good evening swr: You posted --->

"My area of 'expertise' is recognizing large portions of pseudo-history and more-than-ridicules conspiracy theories".
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"www.yourdictionary.com/expertise "

Hmm and just who qualified you ?? Please post a verifiable source for that qualification. Wiki types are not accepted.

One must be careful these days of diploma mills and other credits being cheaply bought. I myself, am a Phd in---- err, ah, hmm relax, I'll think of -- something.

It cost me $20 bucks, I'm not cheap, and sure looks pretty hanging over my desk.

I have to be sure of my sources of information if I am to believe them. Life is soo confusing, sigh.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Hoss KGC]

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Exactly as I thought. I didn't think SWR would answer my questions.

 

[truckinbutch]

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Scott :re post 573 ,
Because the person you are responding to has complained to Jeff enough that if I mention his name I
will be barred from TN .
I made him dissapear with a click of the IGNORE button .
I fail to understand how a gentleman who has found all the treasures in America , and sells books to prove it , could advise us to take a 'couple of cases of dynamite' and blow so much potential history all
to hell .
Needless to say , our group is much more respectful .
If this post generates a complaint that gets me banned from here ; so be it , we will continue our
pursuit and communicate via other means .
Jim

 

[Old Dog]

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Scott :re post 573 ,
Because the person you are responding to has complained to Jeff enough that if I mention his name I
will be barred from TN .
I made him dissapear with a click of the IGNORE button .
I fail to understand how a gentleman who has found all the treasures in America , and sells books to prove it , could advise us to take a 'couple of cases of dynamite' and blow so much potential history all
to hell .
Needless to say , our group is much more respectful .
If this post generates a complaint that gets me banned from here ; so be it , we will continue our
pursuit and communicate via other means .
Jim

I see nothing in your response that will cause a problem Jim,

 

[Shortstack]

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Scott :re post 573 ,
Because the person you are responding to has complained to Jeff enough that if I mention his name I
will be barred from TN .
I made him dissapear with a click of the IGNORE button .
I fail to understand how a gentleman who has found all the treasures in America , and sells books to prove it , could advise us to take a 'couple of cases of dynamite' and blow so much potential history all
to hell .
Needless to say , our group is much more respectful .
If this post generates a complaint that gets me banned from here ; so be it , we will continue our
pursuit and communicate via other means .
Jim

I see nothing in your response that will cause a problem Jim,

Neither do I. If the whining of one person can get someone banned, where's the fairness? I could understand if TButch had cussed someone out and called them everything but a child of God. But, he did not do that. Only childish people try to argue with adults then whine when they're put in their place. "What place?" that person may ask; well, the place where you should ask yourself, "do I really know what I'm talking about? Do I really know that other person's business?" Well, DO you really know that other person's business? If not, then take a stroll into the sunset........I suggest with all due respect and love.

 

[Old Dog]

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Well said ShortStack,
You are welcome around my fire ...anytime.

Thom

 

[Rebel - KGC]

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Ah well... ON WITH "THE VAULT"; MIXING "The Vault" with the SWIFT'S is "causing" "confusion"... The "legends" of Chief DOUBLEHEAD... Chief CORN STALK has to do with Swift's Silver mines; DOUBLEHEAD in Tennessee; CORN STALK in EXTREME SW Virginia, on the KENTUCKY border. DOUBLEHEAD was Cherokee; CORN STALK was Shawnee... just the same, we know the SPANIARDS did mining in SE USA, up to Georgia; with "Indians" "FORCED" to do the
"GRUNT" work. AND! Throughout the "generations", in "secret councils", the SYMBOLS & "locations"
MAY have been "passed down" from the SPANIARDS, to various tribes, ending up where y'all are, NOW! I THINK, IMPORTANT "stuff" was "added" to, in "The Vault", during "era" after "era";
the "gold fields" of NORTHEN Georgia were VERY important before the "GOLD RUSH of 1849" in California. It seems that Georgia, South Carolina, EXTREME WEST North Carolina, Tennessee, and EXTREME
SW Virginia, has "pockets" of GOLD/SILVER mines with MELUNGEONS "connections".
BTW, I think the VARIOUS journals (SWIFT'S) are "WAYBILLS"... "Google" it...

 

[swiftsearcher]

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Jim and guys, From my experience, when someone "whines" to get someone else banned as mentioned, it is usually b/c someone points out an ERROR in their posting to them. They have no other course of action, since they are wrong, so they begin whining and crying. My two cents on the matter.

Rebel, I am glad to see you are in agreement with my "theory" - this means a lot coming from a great guy such as yourself - even though you might not have that "extensive masonic library" that vamelungeon has!

When I referenced Chief Doublehead - it was in relation to the stories after the "mining years" of the Swift Journals. It was in reference to the stories that he (along with Cornstalk) supposedly knew where the "Great Cave" or Swift's "storehouse" was located. Your research is usually "on the money", as I like to say. So, IF Doublehead was in TN and not KY/VA, this even lends more credence to my theory that the inclusion of Doublehead regarding Swift's storehouse was more allegorical in nature than true. It seems to point more to a Janus figure and reference the "entrance" of this storehouse or vault! The Janus figure has played a prominent role in relation to the vault's entrance. Then, to keep with the number two (as in the two faced Janus), there were two columns of masoned rocks at the entrance (this also probably represents the two pillars in Solomon's Temple as well). The number TWO, nonetheless, plays a significant role in the entrance.

I also agree with you that the Swift Journals are "waybills" to, not only this vault, but others! That is why I need to respond to Ki's e-mail after I type this. I believe I have pieced most of this PUZZLE together and it not only involves my site, but others!

Rebel, I also believe we are correct that these are VERY OLD and have been added to by "people in the know" over the centuries - probably culminating with the KGC adding to them in the mid to late 1800's!

The Spaniards are mentioned as working the Rich Mine before Swift. However, as with Bob Brewer's book/statements on this in his area, I am in agreement with him. The Spaniards and these sites being mined/related to them are COVER-STORIES for something else.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

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I DO think that is a possible scenario... AND! Reviewing the Swift's Journal that pertains to THAT area, MAY help... as a "WAYBILL"; I ALSO saw some words (carved) that appeared to be ANAGRAMS... gotta "unscamble" the words. PROBLEM is; Spanish... or ENGLISH. TENNESSEE, PROBABLY Spanish; EXTREME SW Virginia/Kentucky, PROBABLY English. And now... for MORE "sleep
less nights", and "restless days"... HA!